I still to this day do not understand why some men drink until they are drunk?
my hubby's friend...........everytime we go there, he drinks until almost unconscious.
then his poor wife has to deal with him!.......and take care of the kids etc.
slurs his words, stumples and trips.......its just disgusting!
drools, stutters, how can anyone relate to this?
can you not have fun without drinking?
and when we go to party's, they act the same?
do they think they really look cool?
or act cool?
do they think others will like them better?
are they showing off? for who?
WTF is with this?
why do some men always get drunk?
why do some men always get drunk?
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why do some men always get drunk?
its called alcoholism...an addiction.
why do some men always get drunk?
I've know some women who do the exact same thing. It's not fun to watch anyone drink till they are out of control. Some people just don't know when to stop and shouldn't be drink at all. 
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
why do some men always get drunk?
guppy;1004686 wrote: its called alcoholism...an addiction.
really? you think it is?
but he doesn't drink all the time, only when his friends are over?:-5
really? you think it is?
but he doesn't drink all the time, only when his friends are over?:-5
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CARLA;1004687 wrote: I've know some women who do the exact same thing. It's not fun to watch anyone drink till they are out of control. Some people just don't know when to stop and shouldn't be drink at all.
women are worse!:-5
women are worse!:-5
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Odie;1004689 wrote: really? you think it is?
but he doesn't drink all the time, only when his friends are over?:-5
and everytime he drinks untill he is incapable of acting responsibly? isnt that what you posted? that's alcoholism.
but he doesn't drink all the time, only when his friends are over?:-5
and everytime he drinks untill he is incapable of acting responsibly? isnt that what you posted? that's alcoholism.
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guppy;1004696 wrote: and everytime he drinks untill he is incapable of acting responsibly? isnt that what you posted? that's alcoholism.
I though alcoholism was when one drank 24/7.
I though alcoholism was when one drank 24/7.
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It's alcoholism
Odie
he probably drinks in the morning to get rid of the shakes - I'm sure he does.
a couple at lunch, ?
does he hold down a job?
Patsy
Odie
he probably drinks in the morning to get rid of the shakes - I'm sure he does.
a couple at lunch, ?
does he hold down a job?
Patsy
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You don't have to drink 24/7 to be a Alcoholic you can be a functioning Alcoholic and drink every other day or 2 times a week. Alcoholics have a disease booze doesn't effect them like it does other, but none the less they crave it.
The 24/7 Alcoholic is really rare in todays society.
[QUOTE]The functional Alcoholic accounts for about 19% of U.S. alcoholics. They're generally middle-aged, working adults who tend to have stable relationships, more education, and higher incomes than other alcoholics. They tend to drink every other day, often consuming five or more drinks on drinking days
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The 24/7 Alcoholic is really rare in todays society.
[QUOTE]The functional Alcoholic accounts for about 19% of U.S. alcoholics. They're generally middle-aged, working adults who tend to have stable relationships, more education, and higher incomes than other alcoholics. They tend to drink every other day, often consuming five or more drinks on drinking days
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ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
why do some men always get drunk?
More Than Half of U.S. Alcoholics Are Young Adults, Alcohol Dependence Study Shows. They're young adults who rarely seek help for alcohol dependence. About 24 years old, they became alcoholics by age 20, on average. They drink less frequently than other alcoholics, but they tend to binge drink when they drink.
[QUOTE]That's not too different from the binge-drinking that college kids do on weekends. They justify it by saying they "only" drink on weekends. The point is they don't know when to stop cuz they're trying to make up for being 'good' all week without a drink.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]That's not too different from the binge-drinking that college kids do on weekends. They justify it by saying they "only" drink on weekends. The point is they don't know when to stop cuz they're trying to make up for being 'good' all week without a drink.[/QUOTE]
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
why do some men always get drunk?
Hoss;1004703 wrote: LOL maybe he can't stand his friends.
I don't drink. And I'm not ever going to get that started. I'm happy the way I am, I don't need a drink to make me feel different or better.
I have a friend who'd dad is a drunk, a dead beat drunk. Last year he had to go find his dad, they finally found him in a hotel room, with a gun, nearly passed out, with vomit of blood, feces all around, he had been robbed, beaten up and had shot the window out trying to protect himself when they came back to get more from him.
I was on a ride along and answered a call from a mother who had a drunk daughter, it was a domestic argument between the mother and the father, the father had come to pick the daughter up for his 'weekend of custody' found the daughter dead drunk, blamed the mother. I stood and watched as the police spent 30 minutes dealing with the custody issue and which parent was going to ride with the ambulance to the hospital. It was an awful situation and I wished to God I could have taken the daughter away from it all.
I have been on ride longs where we pick up homeless drunks passed out on streets, in bushes, in abandoned cars.
I will never understand alcoholism. Or the appeal alcohol has to anyone for any reason.
he does like his friends for sure.
You have seen alot!
that poor daughter, imagine going thru that everyday?
I will have a drink, but I am not a drinker, maybe you have to be one to understand it?
I don't drink. And I'm not ever going to get that started. I'm happy the way I am, I don't need a drink to make me feel different or better.
I have a friend who'd dad is a drunk, a dead beat drunk. Last year he had to go find his dad, they finally found him in a hotel room, with a gun, nearly passed out, with vomit of blood, feces all around, he had been robbed, beaten up and had shot the window out trying to protect himself when they came back to get more from him.
I was on a ride along and answered a call from a mother who had a drunk daughter, it was a domestic argument between the mother and the father, the father had come to pick the daughter up for his 'weekend of custody' found the daughter dead drunk, blamed the mother. I stood and watched as the police spent 30 minutes dealing with the custody issue and which parent was going to ride with the ambulance to the hospital. It was an awful situation and I wished to God I could have taken the daughter away from it all.
I have been on ride longs where we pick up homeless drunks passed out on streets, in bushes, in abandoned cars.
I will never understand alcoholism. Or the appeal alcohol has to anyone for any reason.
he does like his friends for sure.
You have seen alot!
that poor daughter, imagine going thru that everyday?
I will have a drink, but I am not a drinker, maybe you have to be one to understand it?
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I am that way to a point. I don't always drink but at parties and stuff my husband and I get wasted. I do it because i love the taste n burn of it.. vodka that is. I've been drinkin' a lot of years now.. and it's not everyday. few times a month though. It's a way of letting things go n just forget the bad.
why do some men always get drunk?
JAB;1004706 wrote: That's not too different from the binge-drinking that college kids do on weekends. They justify it by saying they "only" drink on weekends. The point is they don't know when to stop cuz they're trying to make up for being 'good' all week without a drink.
that's it, the weekend binge! He, like most will have one beer or two at the most after work, and that is not every day.
tis the weekend only with him and so many others have met, but don't they realise no one wants to see them like this? That is disgusting when friends or family come over?
When he is here, I make sure there is only a couple of beer in the fridge.........the rest I take out!.....sure as hell don't want him spending the night here, drunk!
that's it, the weekend binge! He, like most will have one beer or two at the most after work, and that is not every day.
tis the weekend only with him and so many others have met, but don't they realise no one wants to see them like this? That is disgusting when friends or family come over?
When he is here, I make sure there is only a couple of beer in the fridge.........the rest I take out!.....sure as hell don't want him spending the night here, drunk!
Life is just to short for drama.
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CARLA;1004708 wrote: More Than Half of U.S. Alcoholics Are Young Adults, Alcohol Dependence Study Shows. They're young adults who rarely seek help for alcohol dependence. About 24 years old, they became alcoholics by age 20, on average. They drink less frequently than other alcoholics, but they tend to binge drink when they drink.
tis sad as young adults drink like that here.
but this guy is 45!
tis sad as young adults drink like that here.
but this guy is 45!
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JAB;1004728 wrote: ....and he's still acting like a college kid. Sadly...
yup!
yup!
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Hoss;1004703 wrote:
I will never understand alcoholism. Or the appeal alcohol has to anyone for any reason.
It's a means of escape. Adults have all kinds of ways to escape the bs that is the world/life and booze is probably the easiest drug to get. I used to think it was silly too until I had things in my life I needed to get away from. I dont drink much at all as a rule, but I have other ways of choice when necessary. Everyone needs a break now and then from all the ugliness of life and being human. For some it's God. For others it's chemical. Or perhaps shopping. They're all fine. But not when you do them all the time or lose control of what you're doing.
I think it's fine to drink as long as you aren't like my friend who does shooters till he's sick, barfs on his shoes, his friends' shoes and then orders another round. Then he goes home and urinates in his sleep and his wife, my friend, wakes up in it.
That's a problem.
I will never understand alcoholism. Or the appeal alcohol has to anyone for any reason.
It's a means of escape. Adults have all kinds of ways to escape the bs that is the world/life and booze is probably the easiest drug to get. I used to think it was silly too until I had things in my life I needed to get away from. I dont drink much at all as a rule, but I have other ways of choice when necessary. Everyone needs a break now and then from all the ugliness of life and being human. For some it's God. For others it's chemical. Or perhaps shopping. They're all fine. But not when you do them all the time or lose control of what you're doing.
I think it's fine to drink as long as you aren't like my friend who does shooters till he's sick, barfs on his shoes, his friends' shoes and then orders another round. Then he goes home and urinates in his sleep and his wife, my friend, wakes up in it.
That's a problem.
why do some men always get drunk?
RedGlitter;1004735 wrote: It's a means of escape. Adults have all kinds of ways to escape the bs that is the world/life and booze is probably the easiest drug to get. I used to think it was silly too until I had things in my life I needed to get away from. I dont drink much at all as a rule, but I have other ways of choice when necessary. Everyone needs a break now and then from all the ugliness of life and being human. For some it's God. For others it's chemical. Or perhaps shopping. They're all fine. But not when you do them all the time or lose control of what you're doing.
I think it's fine to drink as long as you aren't like my friend who does shooters till he's sick, barfs on his shoes, his friends' shoes and then orders another round. Then he goes home and urinates in his sleep and his wife, my friend, wakes up in it.
That's a problem.
I have no problems with social drinking, this is not what I mean.
but to escape from life's daily problems on the weekends is an excuse and no way for their families to live with this!
Find something to do, there are tons of things to be found!
I think it's fine to drink as long as you aren't like my friend who does shooters till he's sick, barfs on his shoes, his friends' shoes and then orders another round. Then he goes home and urinates in his sleep and his wife, my friend, wakes up in it.
That's a problem.
I have no problems with social drinking, this is not what I mean.
but to escape from life's daily problems on the weekends is an excuse and no way for their families to live with this!
Find something to do, there are tons of things to be found!
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Odie, I'm not talking just social drinking either. Any time you can't put the booze down you have a problem. It's not about finding things to do. Building birdhouses for instance may be a thing to do but if your mind and body start feeling that crave for your drug of choice, that's what you're going to go with and that's when control is lost. I lived with an alcoholic for 18 years. I know the tricks. 
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RedGlitter;1004749 wrote: Odie, I'm not talking just social drinking either. Any time you can't put the booze down you have a problem. It's not about finding things to do. Building birdhouses for instance may be a thing to do but if your mind and body start feeling that crave for your drug of choice, that's what you're going to go with and that's when control is lost. I lived with an alcoholic for 18 years. I know the tricks.
wow, sorry hun you had to go through that! hoping he never hurt you!
some can also get extremely violent.......and say sorry later........well, later is just not good enough.
now I understand, makes sense, the craving......once addicted, that's it.
guess after some have a few....they crave more, makes sense, thanks red!
wow, sorry hun you had to go through that! hoping he never hurt you!
some can also get extremely violent.......and say sorry later........well, later is just not good enough.
now I understand, makes sense, the craving......once addicted, that's it.
guess after some have a few....they crave more, makes sense, thanks red!
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It's an illness. It's easy to feel disgust around alcoholics but it's like smoking. It can hook you.
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Hoss,
no offense my friend - but your young, and perhaps under alittle more structure than the average person.
I mean - your upbringing (great) - your faith - and you haven't been broken.
Sometimes Alcohol snowballs into dependency
Sometimes a tragedy - drink so you forget, which the drinking is to get wasted.
Tragedy could be small to others and break the strongest.
In Odie's case with the friend who can't gather with other's without getting completely wasted..?
That guy - probably had a few drinks before getting in a car with his wife to go.
arrives - drinks faster than others, goes up to the bar,orders seperately at times, plus has a Flask for the road & gathering..
His mouth developes from what he thinks is funny - to crude & baligerant -comments & behavior. There's antimosity from this drunk ,,, WHY?
They harbor something
hate their life right now - is usually the problem.......or, there's several others...
I've seen my sister at her worst..
So, at this level of a broken person - she'll now wake up very early to drink before other's awake at a normal time.
Oh, and you will wake up soon after her arrival - SHE'S FUNNY NOW!!!,, and it's 6:00 A.M.... Then she'll have the ordacity to say
"""Some one woke up on the wrong side of the bed""""""...:-5
Sure people can gather & enjoy the chatting etc.. When that one person goes over the edge, and there is that person in most gatherings, I leave..
So anyway
no one understands all disease's - this is truely a disease and involves a whole family...
Patsy
no offense my friend - but your young, and perhaps under alittle more structure than the average person.
I mean - your upbringing (great) - your faith - and you haven't been broken.
Sometimes Alcohol snowballs into dependency
Sometimes a tragedy - drink so you forget, which the drinking is to get wasted.
Tragedy could be small to others and break the strongest.
In Odie's case with the friend who can't gather with other's without getting completely wasted..?
That guy - probably had a few drinks before getting in a car with his wife to go.
arrives - drinks faster than others, goes up to the bar,orders seperately at times, plus has a Flask for the road & gathering..
His mouth developes from what he thinks is funny - to crude & baligerant -comments & behavior. There's antimosity from this drunk ,,, WHY?
They harbor something
hate their life right now - is usually the problem.......or, there's several others...
I've seen my sister at her worst..
So, at this level of a broken person - she'll now wake up very early to drink before other's awake at a normal time.
Oh, and you will wake up soon after her arrival - SHE'S FUNNY NOW!!!,, and it's 6:00 A.M.... Then she'll have the ordacity to say
"""Some one woke up on the wrong side of the bed""""""...:-5
Sure people can gather & enjoy the chatting etc.. When that one person goes over the edge, and there is that person in most gatherings, I leave..
So anyway
no one understands all disease's - this is truely a disease and involves a whole family...
Patsy
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I hate alcohol!.... having what was when I was a child through to my teenage years a violent alcoholic for a father, I have no sympathy for anyone who loses that kind of control through drink..... I feel sorry for those who have to deal with the consequences of their drinking, not the drinker!.....
Just to add - My dad has been alcohol free for twenty five years now.... after putting my mother in hospital, breaking my sisters arm and ripping the hair from my head beating me black and blue, he woke up not remembering a thing, and having seeing what he'd done to the familly he loved he made a decision never to drink again - He never did, not one single drop from that day.... now THAT I admire!.... and THAT is what I call having the strength to deal with your problems.
Just to add - My dad has been alcohol free for twenty five years now.... after putting my mother in hospital, breaking my sisters arm and ripping the hair from my head beating me black and blue, he woke up not remembering a thing, and having seeing what he'd done to the familly he loved he made a decision never to drink again - He never did, not one single drop from that day.... now THAT I admire!.... and THAT is what I call having the strength to deal with your problems.
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Cause I've been alone for far too long. And I'm not just talking about no partner I have no friends outside of work and I hardly ever speak to my family either because they're all annoying or live too far away. And no they're not annoying because I drink.
I'm too compassionate to be an utter bastard.
Too self respecting to be a caring idiot.
Too much pride to give up the self respect.
And not willing to take the rap for a lack of compassion.
Where does this leave me? Nowhere. What does this leave me? Nothing. Who does this leave me? Noone.
Too self respecting to be a caring idiot.
Too much pride to give up the self respect.
And not willing to take the rap for a lack of compassion.
Where does this leave me? Nowhere. What does this leave me? Nothing. Who does this leave me? Noone.
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Odie;1004679 wrote: I still to this day do not understand why some men drink until they are drunk?
my hubby's friend...........everytime we go there, he drinks until almost unconscious.
then his poor wife has to deal with him!.......and take care of the kids etc.
slurs his words, stumples and trips.......its just disgusting!
drools, stutters, how can anyone relate to this?
can you not have fun without drinking?
and when we go to party's, they act the same?
do they think they really look cool?
or act cool?
do they think others will like them better?
are they showing off? for who?
WTF is with this?
sometimes young men drink too much when with friends or workmates, it starts off steady but soon gets out of control and can lead to things getting nasty.
my hubby's friend...........everytime we go there, he drinks until almost unconscious.
then his poor wife has to deal with him!.......and take care of the kids etc.
slurs his words, stumples and trips.......its just disgusting!
drools, stutters, how can anyone relate to this?
can you not have fun without drinking?
and when we go to party's, they act the same?
do they think they really look cool?
or act cool?
do they think others will like them better?
are they showing off? for who?
WTF is with this?
sometimes young men drink too much when with friends or workmates, it starts off steady but soon gets out of control and can lead to things getting nasty.
why do some men always get drunk?
SlipStream;1004914 wrote: sometimes young men drink too much when with friends or workmates, it starts off steady but soon gets out of control and can lead to things getting nasty.
He is 45 with two kids ages 5 and 7, this is a weekend binge thing, when he has friends over or goes out with this friends....then comes home at 1 a.m. , slurring words, stumbles and trips, acts like a complete ******* . Then throws up everywhere for his wife to clean up......next day, major headache and totally useless to anyone, but still continues to drink because its still the weekend.
sorry for those who have suffered with this during their lives, this thread was not meant to bring this into, this is a weekend binge drinker only.
He is 45 with two kids ages 5 and 7, this is a weekend binge thing, when he has friends over or goes out with this friends....then comes home at 1 a.m. , slurring words, stumbles and trips, acts like a complete ******* . Then throws up everywhere for his wife to clean up......next day, major headache and totally useless to anyone, but still continues to drink because its still the weekend.
sorry for those who have suffered with this during their lives, this thread was not meant to bring this into, this is a weekend binge drinker only.
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Odie;1004996 wrote: He is 45 with two kids ages 5 and 7, this is a weekend binge thing, when he has friends over or goes out with this friends....then comes home at 1 a.m. , slurring words, stumbles and trips, acts like a complete ******* . Then throws up everywhere for his wife to clean up......next day, major headache and totally useless to anyone, but still continues to drink because its still the weekend.
sorry for those who have suffered with this during their lives, this thread was not meant to bring this into, this is a weekend binge drinker only.
it's his wife and kid I feel fof....
sorry for those who have suffered with this during their lives, this thread was not meant to bring this into, this is a weekend binge drinker only.
it's his wife and kid I feel fof....
why do some men always get drunk?
He's an alcoholic on the weekends. A disgrace and it affects the entire family.
why do some men always get drunk?
qsducks;1005032 wrote: He's an alcoholic on the weekends. A disgrace and it affects the entire family.
he is, a loser!
he is, a loser!
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I'm curious why so little compassion. I don't like drunks either but I understand them. And what's wrong with the wife that she allows this behavior to continue around her and her kids? That's called enabling.
why do some men always get drunk?
Hoss, it may start out as a choice then as your body reacts to it, it becomes a disease. It takes every organ of your body in its grasp and destroys them one at a time. ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE it is a chemical like any other chemical that when certain people use it they become addicted just like any other drug. We are talking about a DISEASE and one of the worst ones known to man.
My Father rest his soul was a functioning alcoholic, not violent a happy drinker who at 57 years old sat down in his favorite chair on the Patio and died. When they did the autopsy we were told he had the insides of a 75 year old man. Thats what the disease of alcoholism does to you.
[QUOTE]I think if we were talking about a disease or something then it would entail compassion but alcoholism is a choice. I'm less compassionate to the drinker and much more compassionate for the families that have to go through it.[/QUOTE]
My Father rest his soul was a functioning alcoholic, not violent a happy drinker who at 57 years old sat down in his favorite chair on the Patio and died. When they did the autopsy we were told he had the insides of a 75 year old man. Thats what the disease of alcoholism does to you.
[QUOTE]I think if we were talking about a disease or something then it would entail compassion but alcoholism is a choice. I'm less compassionate to the drinker and much more compassionate for the families that have to go through it.[/QUOTE]
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
why do some men always get drunk?
RedGlitter;1005218 wrote: I'm curious why so little compassion. I don't like drunks either but I understand them. And what's wrong with the wife that she allows this behavior to continue around her and her kids? That's called enabling.
as said red, its disgusting, I have no compassion on this.
its an excuse.
never asked the wife, not my business.
she did say one time he went out with his friends......turned off his cell and one of their daughters had to go to the hospital, she had fallen............wife was pissed, why would a father turn off his cell?....also made me wonder, was he really with his friends? ........ but I never said that to her. I don't know her well enough.
as said red, its disgusting, I have no compassion on this.
its an excuse.
never asked the wife, not my business.
she did say one time he went out with his friends......turned off his cell and one of their daughters had to go to the hospital, she had fallen............wife was pissed, why would a father turn off his cell?....also made me wonder, was he really with his friends? ........ but I never said that to her. I don't know her well enough.
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Hoss;1005228 wrote: I think if we were talking about a disease or something then it would entail compassion but alcoholism is a choice. I'm less compassionate to the drinker and much more compassionate for the families that have to go through it.
Not quite, Hoss. Drinking is a choice. Alcoholism is a sickness. I'm not talking about people who just love to drink. Not everyone who loves to drink to excess is an alcoholic. I'm referring to the ones who can't stop at a few drinks because their body has become physically dependent on alcohol. It is no different from being physically addicted to heroin or cigarettes or some other drug.
Q: What is the difference between alcohol abuse and alcohol dependence?
A:Alcohol abuse is described as any "harmful use" of alcohol. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV describes alcohol abusers as those who drink despite recurrent social, interpersonal, and legal problems as a result of alcohol use. Harmful use implies alcohol use that causes either physical or mental damage.
Those who are alcohol dependent meet all of the criteria of alcohol abuse, but the will also exhibit some or all of the following:
Narrowing of the drinking repertoire (drinking only one brand or type of alcoholic beverage).
Drink-seeking behavior (only going to social events that will include drinking, or only hanging out with others who drink).
Alcohol tolerance (having to drink increasing amounts to achieve previous effects).
Withdrawal symptoms (getting physical symptoms after going a short period without drinking).
Drinking to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms (such as drinking to stop the shakes or to "cure" a hangover).
Subjective awareness of the compulsion to drink or craving for alcohol (whether they admit it to others or not).
A return to drinking after a period of abstinence (deciding to quit drinking and not being able to follow through).
Typically, those drinkers who are diagnosed as only alcohol abusers can be helped with a brief intervention, including education concerning the dangers of binge drinking and alcohol poisoning. Those who have become alcohol dependent generally require outside help to stop drinking, which could include detoxification, medical treatment, counseling and/or self-help group support.
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Not saying anyone has to be tolerant of another person's Achilles Heel. But it helps to have an understanding.
Not quite, Hoss. Drinking is a choice. Alcoholism is a sickness. I'm not talking about people who just love to drink. Not everyone who loves to drink to excess is an alcoholic. I'm referring to the ones who can't stop at a few drinks because their body has become physically dependent on alcohol. It is no different from being physically addicted to heroin or cigarettes or some other drug.
Q: What is the difference between alcohol abuse and alcohol dependence?
A:Alcohol abuse is described as any "harmful use" of alcohol. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV describes alcohol abusers as those who drink despite recurrent social, interpersonal, and legal problems as a result of alcohol use. Harmful use implies alcohol use that causes either physical or mental damage.
Those who are alcohol dependent meet all of the criteria of alcohol abuse, but the will also exhibit some or all of the following:
Narrowing of the drinking repertoire (drinking only one brand or type of alcoholic beverage).
Drink-seeking behavior (only going to social events that will include drinking, or only hanging out with others who drink).
Alcohol tolerance (having to drink increasing amounts to achieve previous effects).
Withdrawal symptoms (getting physical symptoms after going a short period without drinking).
Drinking to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms (such as drinking to stop the shakes or to "cure" a hangover).
Subjective awareness of the compulsion to drink or craving for alcohol (whether they admit it to others or not).
A return to drinking after a period of abstinence (deciding to quit drinking and not being able to follow through).
Typically, those drinkers who are diagnosed as only alcohol abusers can be helped with a brief intervention, including education concerning the dangers of binge drinking and alcohol poisoning. Those who have become alcohol dependent generally require outside help to stop drinking, which could include detoxification, medical treatment, counseling and/or self-help group support.
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Not saying anyone has to be tolerant of another person's Achilles Heel. But it helps to have an understanding.
why do some men always get drunk?
RedGlitter;1005218 wrote: I'm curious why so little compassion. I don't like drunks either but I understand them. And what's wrong with the wife that she allows this behavior to continue around her and her kids? That's called enabling.
If they were drinking alone, then what they choose to do only effects themselves, but if they're drinking effects others around them, then it's wrong.... it's like passive smoking.... why should anyone have to endure the awful effects of someone elses pleasure?..... The people who have to deal with a drinker do not have a choice right at that moment..... for a drinker to expect someone to put up with their behaviour - thats called selfish....
If they were drinking alone, then what they choose to do only effects themselves, but if they're drinking effects others around them, then it's wrong.... it's like passive smoking.... why should anyone have to endure the awful effects of someone elses pleasure?..... The people who have to deal with a drinker do not have a choice right at that moment..... for a drinker to expect someone to put up with their behaviour - thats called selfish....
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Wow. I can see a lot of you have never been around alcoholism which is fortunate for you.
No Hoss, you'll learn eventually things aren't always cut and dried. Sure drinking is a choice like I said. But when you're hooked you're hooked and that's a sickness. That's what it is.
Scouse, certainly boozers affect affect everyone they're around. As do smokers. But where do you derive the notion that drinking is their pleasure? Maybe I wasn't clear when I said it was an escape from problems and unhappiness.
I have compassion because there was a drunk in my life for a good long time whom I loved very much. Makes no matter who it was. This person eventually overcame their sickness. Many aren't so determined or lucky. About the only time you'll hear me fault them is when they beat their family members or get in a car and drive. My compassion stops there. But to simply brush them off as scourges of society is not acceptable. There but for the Grace of God go I.
As for blame, if you want to blame someone, I'd start with that woman Odie's talking about for example. She's an adult, no one's forcing her to stay. She's the protector of those kids. Some protector. No kid should have to witness that crap. Putting up with his boozing is HER fault. Not his. His fault is drinking, her fault is allowing it.
No Hoss, you'll learn eventually things aren't always cut and dried. Sure drinking is a choice like I said. But when you're hooked you're hooked and that's a sickness. That's what it is.
Scouse, certainly boozers affect affect everyone they're around. As do smokers. But where do you derive the notion that drinking is their pleasure? Maybe I wasn't clear when I said it was an escape from problems and unhappiness.
I have compassion because there was a drunk in my life for a good long time whom I loved very much. Makes no matter who it was. This person eventually overcame their sickness. Many aren't so determined or lucky. About the only time you'll hear me fault them is when they beat their family members or get in a car and drive. My compassion stops there. But to simply brush them off as scourges of society is not acceptable. There but for the Grace of God go I.
As for blame, if you want to blame someone, I'd start with that woman Odie's talking about for example. She's an adult, no one's forcing her to stay. She's the protector of those kids. Some protector. No kid should have to witness that crap. Putting up with his boozing is HER fault. Not his. His fault is drinking, her fault is allowing it.
why do some men always get drunk?
Hoss, I agree with you partly on the "Calling it a Disease" and the enabling factors of that. On the other hand because it destroys your body like any other drug of choice its has been called a disease so people can get treatment. Is there a cure for addiction I don't think so. Stopping is the only cure and that is difficult on all levels.
My father hadn't touch a drink in 10 years when he died. He worked his butt off all his life taking care of us. He worked so hard he was able to retire at 55 to sit down and die at 57 because of the effect booze had on his body. Booze doesn't have the same chemical effect on my body for that I'm grateful. Its a choice your right. The choice to stop it is way more difficult than the choice to start.
Do I think we have to put up with drunks not at all. But as a society we have to have compassion for our fellow man and understand the disease of alcoholism.
[QUOTE]I'm sorry I won't agree to that.
Drinking is a choice, it can become an addiction, but its because the person chose to do it in the first place. The disease in it is the process it has on the human body. The psychological aspect of it is tied to the physical aspect of it, but let’s be clear, it is a choice.
The liver and kidneys can filter only so much poison at a time. They are working hard enough to clear out everything that’s in our natural environment, adding to it poisons that can kill you isn't very wise.
Let’s call things what they truly are and deal with them that way I think by calling it a disease and treating people as though they caught something like the flu is the greatest enabler of all.[/QUOTE]
My father hadn't touch a drink in 10 years when he died. He worked his butt off all his life taking care of us. He worked so hard he was able to retire at 55 to sit down and die at 57 because of the effect booze had on his body. Booze doesn't have the same chemical effect on my body for that I'm grateful. Its a choice your right. The choice to stop it is way more difficult than the choice to start.
Do I think we have to put up with drunks not at all. But as a society we have to have compassion for our fellow man and understand the disease of alcoholism.
[QUOTE]I'm sorry I won't agree to that.
Drinking is a choice, it can become an addiction, but its because the person chose to do it in the first place. The disease in it is the process it has on the human body. The psychological aspect of it is tied to the physical aspect of it, but let’s be clear, it is a choice.
The liver and kidneys can filter only so much poison at a time. They are working hard enough to clear out everything that’s in our natural environment, adding to it poisons that can kill you isn't very wise.
Let’s call things what they truly are and deal with them that way I think by calling it a disease and treating people as though they caught something like the flu is the greatest enabler of all.[/QUOTE]
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
why do some men always get drunk?
RedGlitter;1005350 wrote: Wow. I can see a lot of you have never been around alcoholism which is fortunate for you.
No Hoss, you'll learn eventually things aren't always cut and dried. Sure drinking is a choice like I said. But when you're hooked you're hooked and that's a sickness. That's what it is.
Scouse, certainly boozers affect affect everyone they're around. As do smokers. But where do you derive the notion that drinking is their pleasure? Maybe I wasn't clear when I said it was an escape from problems and unhappiness.
I have compassion because there was a drunk in my life for a good long time whom I loved very much. Makes no matter who it was. This person eventually overcame their sickness. Many aren't so determined or lucky. About the only time you'll hear me fault them is when they beat their family members or get in a car and drive. My compassion stops there. But to simply brush them off as scourges of society is not acceptable. There but for the Grace of God go I.
As for blame, if you want to blame someone, I'd start with that woman Odie's talking about for example. She's an adult, no one's forcing her to stay. She's the protector of those kids. Some protector. No kid should have to witness that crap. Putting up with his boozing is HER fault. Not his. His fault is drinking, her fault is allowing it.
Read post #25 Red... you'll see why I have no compassion for a drinker.... I have been around alcoholism and yes.... it was unfortunate for me....
No Hoss, you'll learn eventually things aren't always cut and dried. Sure drinking is a choice like I said. But when you're hooked you're hooked and that's a sickness. That's what it is.
Scouse, certainly boozers affect affect everyone they're around. As do smokers. But where do you derive the notion that drinking is their pleasure? Maybe I wasn't clear when I said it was an escape from problems and unhappiness.
I have compassion because there was a drunk in my life for a good long time whom I loved very much. Makes no matter who it was. This person eventually overcame their sickness. Many aren't so determined or lucky. About the only time you'll hear me fault them is when they beat their family members or get in a car and drive. My compassion stops there. But to simply brush them off as scourges of society is not acceptable. There but for the Grace of God go I.
As for blame, if you want to blame someone, I'd start with that woman Odie's talking about for example. She's an adult, no one's forcing her to stay. She's the protector of those kids. Some protector. No kid should have to witness that crap. Putting up with his boozing is HER fault. Not his. His fault is drinking, her fault is allowing it.
Read post #25 Red... you'll see why I have no compassion for a drinker.... I have been around alcoholism and yes.... it was unfortunate for me....
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Red
I have to agree with you - in Odie's case, I feel the wife is in denial.
45 yr. old man going out to play with his Bud's frequently...ummm - infidelity-?
then tops it off coming home wasted - throwing up..
I don't think so - like she needs another kid.
Why is the wife sitting at home?? somethings wrong with this picture Odie..?
Mid-life crisis going on?
He gets wasted since he dislikes being married - shows disrepect to his wife
Hoss, this is a disease - many have to drink to function.
Oprah & Nighline had a special on herion. Amazing insight to that illness.
Young kids shooting up just to function that day, ages 16 - 18 - 23to 48.?
You don't drink - I'm proud of you, don't.
I know in time - every one will have a crutch, , Food, alcohol, pills, gambling, shopping. and to a extent - they're all a disease., we have groups, cures.
Call it selfish ?
Patsy
I have to agree with you - in Odie's case, I feel the wife is in denial.
45 yr. old man going out to play with his Bud's frequently...ummm - infidelity-?
then tops it off coming home wasted - throwing up..
I don't think so - like she needs another kid.
Why is the wife sitting at home?? somethings wrong with this picture Odie..?
Mid-life crisis going on?
He gets wasted since he dislikes being married - shows disrepect to his wife
Hoss, this is a disease - many have to drink to function.
Oprah & Nighline had a special on herion. Amazing insight to that illness.
Young kids shooting up just to function that day, ages 16 - 18 - 23to 48.?
You don't drink - I'm proud of you, don't.
I know in time - every one will have a crutch, , Food, alcohol, pills, gambling, shopping. and to a extent - they're all a disease., we have groups, cures.
Call it selfish ?
Patsy
why do some men always get drunk?
Patsy Warnick;1006102 wrote: Red
I have to agree with you - in Odie's case, I feel the wife is in denial.
45 yr. old man going out to play with his Bud's frequently...ummm - infidelity-?
then tops it off coming home wasted - throwing up..
I don't think so - like she needs another kid.
Why is the wife sitting at home?? somethings wrong with this picture Odie..?
Mid-life crisis going on?
He gets wasted since he dislikes being married - shows disrepect to his wife
Hoss, this is a disease - many have to drink to function.
Oprah & Nighline had a special on herion. Amazing insight to that illness.
Young kids shooting up just to function that day, ages 16 - 18 - 23to 48.?
You don't drink - I'm proud of you, don't.
I know in time - every one will have a crutch, , Food, alcohol, pills, gambling, shopping. and to a extent - they're all a disease., we have groups, cures.
Call it selfish ?
Patsy
have I mentioned they don't get along........he hates her!
With turning his cell on off while out drinking, wouldn't be surprised there is more to it.......thank god its hubby's friend......not mine, he works with him............I see them seldom.
I have to agree with you - in Odie's case, I feel the wife is in denial.
45 yr. old man going out to play with his Bud's frequently...ummm - infidelity-?
then tops it off coming home wasted - throwing up..
I don't think so - like she needs another kid.
Why is the wife sitting at home?? somethings wrong with this picture Odie..?
Mid-life crisis going on?
He gets wasted since he dislikes being married - shows disrepect to his wife
Hoss, this is a disease - many have to drink to function.
Oprah & Nighline had a special on herion. Amazing insight to that illness.
Young kids shooting up just to function that day, ages 16 - 18 - 23to 48.?
You don't drink - I'm proud of you, don't.
I know in time - every one will have a crutch, , Food, alcohol, pills, gambling, shopping. and to a extent - they're all a disease., we have groups, cures.
Call it selfish ?
Patsy
have I mentioned they don't get along........he hates her!
With turning his cell on off while out drinking, wouldn't be surprised there is more to it.......thank god its hubby's friend......not mine, he works with him............I see them seldom.
Life is just to short for drama.
why do some men always get drunk?
In all honesty..from my own experience..being married to an alc0holic for so long..He was and is still sick..in alchoholism..but i was sick as well.because i put up with it..because i enabled it..because i accepted alot i shouldnt have if i had been healthy in mind and spirit..it took me years to let go..to get better..why? because my biggest..biggest underlieing fear was LOSING him..even though i couldnt see i didnt really ever have him to begin with..He wasnt capable of intimate realtionships.he wasnt my friend..he had already sold his soul to another..the need to drink.. someone asked why does a woman put up with it?..this is why i did it. So whenever you see a drunken man or woman married to another..realize the spouse is probably sick too..but in different ways.:-6
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Perfectly said Guppy....
Odie - seldom would be fine for me too..
I knew he didn't like his wife or respect her - throwing up is a good indicator..
he's a disaster - waiting to happen.
Patsy
Odie - seldom would be fine for me too..
I knew he didn't like his wife or respect her - throwing up is a good indicator..
he's a disaster - waiting to happen.
Patsy
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Hoss;1006172 wrote: I know I’m young, I know there are things I don’t understand about alcoholism having been around it very little, but I'm sticking to what I think about it. It has nothing to do with compassion. Its defining things the way they really are so we don't get trapped into some false ideology about how to treat it. Alcohol should come with a license to drink it, not a license to sell it. A 6 month course in 'alcoholism' at a drug and alcohol treatment center, mopping the floors and changing the beds and cleaning up the bodies of alcoholics should do the trick. Maybe add in video preview of three alcohol related fatalities with grieving family lining the coffins for the funerals. And a test afterwards too!
A license to drink, not an age level to buy makes sense to me.
Drinking is stupid.
The sad cruel hard truth of the matter is...most alcoholics are children of alcoholics..they grew up in it..they know and saw first hand what it caused in their families..and still grow up and do it..
this is one of the times i rememeber the saying "the sins of the parents are passed on to the children" because surely this disease is..not only to the members that fall into the disease but to the others that learn how to enable.or assume this is how life is..or think they deserve no better..because their parents didnt love them enough to NOT drink. No matter how you look at it..alcoholism affects everybody associated with the alcoholic. It's ironic to me that my maternal grandfather was raised by an alcoholic..His father dropped dead in the fields in his forties.so my grandfather quit school and helped raise his sibblings..even though he never drank himself..he raised six kids, two of whom turned out to be drunks and drug users.. :-5 and out of the three girls..all three married drunks..Only the oldest of the six seems to have escaped it all together..
A license to drink, not an age level to buy makes sense to me.
Drinking is stupid.
The sad cruel hard truth of the matter is...most alcoholics are children of alcoholics..they grew up in it..they know and saw first hand what it caused in their families..and still grow up and do it..
this is one of the times i rememeber the saying "the sins of the parents are passed on to the children" because surely this disease is..not only to the members that fall into the disease but to the others that learn how to enable.or assume this is how life is..or think they deserve no better..because their parents didnt love them enough to NOT drink. No matter how you look at it..alcoholism affects everybody associated with the alcoholic. It's ironic to me that my maternal grandfather was raised by an alcoholic..His father dropped dead in the fields in his forties.so my grandfather quit school and helped raise his sibblings..even though he never drank himself..he raised six kids, two of whom turned out to be drunks and drug users.. :-5 and out of the three girls..all three married drunks..Only the oldest of the six seems to have escaped it all together..
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Guppy
It's amazing when you look at the Family dinamics
and the first crutch since prohibition has been alcohol..moonshine.
and it seems every generation developed another crutch, but alway kept alcohol in the mix.
On my Dad's side - good - sippy people
On my Mom's side - owns a bar - everyone drinks - I was in the bar by the age of 7ish. Out of 6 siblings, 3 made it without a crutch. I'm one of them.
1 - alcoholic, 2- on drugs.
and those are good odds for families now...
how sad is that.
Patsy
It's amazing when you look at the Family dinamics
and the first crutch since prohibition has been alcohol..moonshine.
and it seems every generation developed another crutch, but alway kept alcohol in the mix.
On my Dad's side - good - sippy people
On my Mom's side - owns a bar - everyone drinks - I was in the bar by the age of 7ish. Out of 6 siblings, 3 made it without a crutch. I'm one of them.
1 - alcoholic, 2- on drugs.
and those are good odds for families now...
how sad is that.
Patsy