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Many of us White Folk are, so to speak annoyed by the Concept of a a Black History Month,



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It annoys the heck out of me also.

We have similar here

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But then should us white folk complain, we're branded fascist, racist, Nazi's.

My Issue Is, when politicians are telling me that I live In a wonderful Multi-cultural Eutopia when we all blissfully Integrate, an event like this actually creates the divide so fiercely frowned upon by the establishment.
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I agree with Morgan Freeman.
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along-for-the-ride;1447734 wrote: I agree with Morgan Freeman.


Likewise.
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tude dog;1447723 wrote: Many of us White Folk are, so to speak annoyed by the concept of a Black History Month


You shoot yourself in the foot my friend by the way you pose the remark and by the follow up argument.

The part "Many of us white folk" says it all, taking into consideration the black folk that agree with .

You have to ask yourself why you as white folk object, do you feel 'They' are getting more than you white folk?

If that is so.......then perhaps 'They' still need to have their 'Month'.

If on the other hand you feel the 'Black folk' are no different, and that 'Black history' is all rolled into main stream history, why the speration in your argument that "Many of us White folk"............you obviously seperate the races at the back of your mind, whatever reasoned words come out of your mouth.
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Makes no sense to me that this (Black History Month) would bother anyone.
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AnneBoleyn;1447787 wrote: Makes no sense to me that this (Black History Month) would bother anyone.


It makes more sense to me that they incorporate a lot of the "Black History" into the regular textbooks for "American History" What happened to bring about the Civil Rights Movement, and a lot of what happened during that period should be basic history. It defines us as a people as much as the way the American Indian and the settlement of the West were handled, and the way the several different immigrant groups were treated, and as much as the way we handle the current "immigration problem" is finally handled.

And Mr Freeman is quite correct. As long as we keep separating Blacks, and Whites, and all the others, and continue to make "Race" an issue, we will never truly get past it and become that "One Nation" we keep talking about.
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LarsMac;1447790 wrote:

And Mr Freeman is quite correct. As long as we keep separating Blacks, and Whites, and all the others, and continue to make "Race" an issue, we will never truly get past it and become that "One Nation" we keep talking about. I agree totally...
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I don't have a problem with "Black History Month". I think all cultures should celebrate their ancestors. No different tha "Cinco De Mayo", St Pat's day etc. etc.

My problem starts with the exclusion type of things like "Black Miss America" and others. That's where the separation is a problem. We can all celebrate or acknowledge Black history month but we can't all participate in Black Miss America but Black can participate in the "Miss America" pageant.
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Just watched the Morgan Freeman video. He does make a lot of sense. He had Mike Wallace a little uncomfortable.
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Its always interesting watching white people react to a movement they created; as they pretend to have not created it.
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YZGI;1447797 wrote: I don't have a problem with "Black History Month". I think all cultures should celebrate their ancestors. No different tha "Cinco De Mayo", St Pat's day etc. etc.

My problem starts with the exclusion type of things like "Black Miss America" and others. That's where the separation is a problem. We can all celebrate or acknowledge Black history month but we can't all participate in Black Miss America but Black can participate in the "Miss America" pageant.


Some of those things came about because of exclusionary tactics by the Whites.

The Black Chamber of Commerce, for example, and, yes, "Black Miss America"

At some point those kinds of organizations must reach a conclusion that they have become superfluous, and willingly disband, or merge with the generalized organization.
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Mickiel;1447800 wrote: Its always interesting watching white people react to a movement they created; as they pretend to have not created it.


Its hard to wash something off of your hands that you inherited.

Because it stays in your blood!
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oscar;1447725 wrote: It annoys the heck out of me also.

We have similar here

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But then should us white folk complain, we're branded fascist, racist, Nazi's.

My Issue Is, when politicians are telling me that I live In a wonderful Multi-cultural Eutopia when we all blissfully Integrate, an event like this actually creates the divide so fiercely frowned upon by the establishment.




Does it annoy you when every time you see a picture of Jesus, its a white man?

Or when the hero who saves the day is white?

Or when the dictionary defines white as wonderful and black as horrible?

Does that annoy you?

Would you understand it annoying blacks?
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Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Does it annoy you when every time you see a picture of Jesus, its a white man?

Or when the hero who saves the day is white?

Or when the dictionary defines white as wonderful and black as horrible?

Does that annoy you?

Would you understand it annoying blacks?




Would it annoy you if whites were arrested 70 times more than blacks?

If whites were hired 70% less than blacks?

If whites were convicted in courts 67% more than blacks?

Would these things annoy you? If they were really what your race was has lived and is living?
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Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Does it annoy you when every time you see a picture of Jesus, its a white man?

Or when the hero who saves the day is white?

Or when the dictionary defines white as wonderful and black as horrible?

Does that annoy you?

Would you understand it annoying blacks? Quite the opposite. My objection Is solely based on establishments segregating us and race when they should be promoting assimilation and Integration. All the time we have organisations promoting a difference between black and white, the divide will continue throughout history.
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oscar;1447808 wrote: Quite the opposite. My objection Is solely based on establishments segregating us and race when they should be promoting assimilation and Integration. All the time we have organisations promoting a difference between black and white, the divide will continue throughout history.


I like what the French celebrate, " Via La Difference", I don't want to be a Borg and assimulated. I like being Black. And I like knowing my history. And I like celebrating it; its just that the history of what Whites did, and what Blacks did, is embarrising to some Whites. Your ancestors had a way of crushing people and then critisizing how they tried to get up under the weight; Its not leveraged thinking and reconciliation; so they confront todays issues with that same unbalanced racial firguring.
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oscar;1447808 wrote: Quite the opposite. My objection Is solely based on establishments segregating us and race when they should be promoting assimilation and Integration. All the time we have organisations promoting a difference between black and white, the divide will continue throughout history.


The trouble with the sort of assimilation you are talking about Oscar is that it expects the whole world to assimilate with the White Anglo Saxon way of life and doesnt consider cultural differences. Assuming that everyone should suddenly do and be what we are. It's arrogant and divisive.

Why should a West Indian for example, be expected to drop everything that makes them what they are and become "one of us" whatever that is
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Snowfire;1447811 wrote: The trouble with the sort of assimilation you are talking about Oscar is that it expects the whole world to assimilate with the White Anglo Saxon way of life and doesnt consider cultural differences. Assuming that everyone should suddenly do and be what we are. It's arrogant and divisive.

Why should a West Indian for example, be expected to drop everything that makes them what they are and become "one of us" whatever that is And that, Is exactly what those against mass Immigration say !!! To expect anyone with a diametrically opposed culture to ours to assimilate with us was nothing but a pipe dream by the Labour Party.
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I didn't realize you are a black man Mickiel. I just saw, or noticed, for the first time your profile picture. Feel free to ignore this comment.
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oscar;1447813 wrote: And that, Is exactly what those against mass Immigration say !!! To expect anyone with a diametrically opposed culture to ours to assimilate with us was nothing but a pipe dream by the Labour Party.


Where my Grandparents lived was one of the biggest Sikh communities in the country. I met my first Indian man in a turban when I was about 4 years old. What would the point of "turning" them into white Anglo saxon ? It was wonderful that we had such a community.

The fact they were different culturally, ate very different food and dressed very differently didn't mean they weren't part of our community. Why can't we be "different" but still be the same ?
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Snowfire;1447818 wrote: Where my Grandparents lived was one of the biggest Sikh communities in the country. I met my first Indian man in a turban when I was about 4 years old. What would the point of "turning" them into white Anglo saxon ? It was wonderful that we had such a community.

The fact they were different culturally, ate very different food and dressed very differently didn't mean they weren't part of our community. Why can't we be "different" but still be the same ?


I concede you make a very good point.
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Snowfire;1447818 wrote:

The fact they were different culturally, ate very different food and dressed very differently didn't mean they weren't part of our community. Why can't we be "different" but still be the same ?


The first Sikh I ever met, a man, was in Hyde Park, London. He told me he found living in the U.K. very difficult. What's the hardest thing, I asked? He answered "I can't find a launderer to properly clean my turbans."

I swear that's a true story. I'm sure he does not have that problem any longer.
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oscar;1447819 wrote: I concede you make a very good point.


You've been at the Gin haven't you.
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Snowfire;1447822 wrote: You've been at the Gin haven't you. No, but I am off my tits on Peter's drugs
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AnneBoleyn;1447820 wrote: The first Sikh I ever met, a man, was in Hyde Park, London. He told me he found living in the U.K. very difficult. What's the hardest thing, I asked? He answered "I can't find a launderer to properly clean my turbans."

I swear that's a true story. I'm sure he does not have that problem any longer.


The experience I referred to was on a bus. I sat next to this gentleman, while my mum and dad sat together across the way. I cried, silently to myself. I'd never seen a man in a turban with a large beard before. My mum still laughs at that . She said her and dad could see my shoulders going up and down as I cried. They apologised to the elderly man but he saw the funny side
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I have no objection to Black History Month. I learn something new each time from the PBS documentaries and interviews now that US history is not so heavily censored and fictionalized.
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Bruv;1447764 wrote: You shoot yourself in the foot my friend by the way you pose the remark and by the follow up argument.

The part "Many of us white folk" says it all, taking into consideration the black folk that agree with .


Can't speak for all of us White Folk, and my personal experience has shown many Black Folk (Negros, Blacks, African Americans, what ever) think the same way I do.

Bruv;1447764 wrote: You have to ask yourself why you as white folk object, do you feel 'They' are getting more than you white folk?


I believe what many of us resent is blatant racism by our federal government.

Bruv;1447764 wrote: If that is so.......then perhaps 'They' still need to have their 'Month'.


!@#$% month and +_)(*&

Bruv;1447764 wrote: If on the other hand you feel the 'Black folk' are no different, and that 'Black history' is all rolled into main stream history, why the speration in your argument that "Many of us White folk"............you obviously seperate the races at the back of your mind, whatever reasoned words come out of your mouth.


My nation has people from all over the world, each with a story to tell.

I would guess the most over looked are the Native Americans, who if any should have a month to their own.

I suppose most resentment is Black History Month came about the same time Affirmative Action, where Blacks get preference in jobs, schooling etc.
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Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Does it annoy you when every time you see a picture of Jesus, its a white man?


No

From what I seen, since there is no contemporary image or description his image has reflected many races and cultures.

Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Or when the hero who saves the day is white?


As of late, I would say that colored people become much more represented in the role of HERO.

Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Or when the dictionary defines white as wonderful and black as horrible?

Does that annoy you?


Gee, haven't seen that one. Please, don't tell me it was Websters.

Mickiel;1447806 wrote: Would you understand it annoying blacks?


I give the general black population more credit than you do.
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Mickiel;1447809 wrote: I like what the French celebrate, " Via La Difference", I don't want to be a Borg and assimulated. I like being Black.


Oh please, you think I would look forward to my sister assembling with a black?? How about your siblings?

I am a Jew, and we are of all races and that is all that matters.

Mickiel;1447809 wrote: And I like knowing my history. And I like celebrating it; its just that the history of what Whites did, and what Blacks did, is embarrising to some Whites.


It is great to understand you history as you define it.

Mickiel;1447809 wrote: Your ancestors had a way of crushing people and then critisizing how they tried to get up under the weight; Its not leveraged thinking and reconciliation; so they confront todays issues with that same unbalanced racial firguring.


I am not embarrassed at all. Much of what we are speaking of is history to me.

If there is any rethinking, it should be by Black Folk.

Give up the oppressed theme, or not, if it works for more benies.
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Well, I can't handle this thread anymore TD, you are overtly a racist. Shame on you. Shonda.
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Actually, Tude Dog, the census predicts that Anglo Americans will be in a minority within ten years, so then you can have you month with no problems. Of course you may not like the minority status for other reasons...
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Sometimes I speak my mind in crude ways. Just the way I am.

I make no apologies, as nothing I say here matters at all.

What matters are those who in power create racial division for gain.
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If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles,” Doug Larson.

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tude dog;1448208 wrote: Sometimes I speak my mind in crude ways. Just the way I am.

I make no apologies, as nothing I say here matters at all.

What matters are those who in power create racial division for gain.


I must admit I don't think of you when I'm not here, But--when I am here, you matter to me, what you say matters to me. Just the way I am.

eta--while you 'think' in crude ways, you do have control over your mouth. Don't you?
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I am actually warming to Tude.

I honestly think he's just contrary rather than out and out racist, although if he is racist I admire him being up front about it.

I still beleieve most of us are to some extent a little racist or have racist reservations........I know I do, and that is not easy to say out loud.
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Bruv;1448215 wrote: I am actually warming to Tude.

I honestly think he's just contrary rather than out and out racist, although if he is racist I admire him being up front about it.

I still beleieve most of us are to some extent a little racist or have racist reservations........I know I do, and that is not easy to say out loud.


I'm supposing you discuss your wee bit of racism or your reservations with your wife. That must be interesting conversation.

As for TD, he has told us that as a child, teenager, he lived with the rougher elements of the black race & had his suffering regarding that. He, the white child, was the minority, & probably payed plenty for the experience. This, no pun intended, must have colored his thinking. He did know many thugs, of that I'm sure. I'm sorry, also no pun intended, that he didn't have a lighter (easier) childhood. Those the breaks, man. Experience can be a nasty teacher.
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AnneBoleyn;1448220 wrote: I'm supposing you discuss your wee bit of racism or your reservations with your wife.


Why not ? she has her reservations too..............and she worked under the Smith Regime, remember UDI ?
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That brings back memories---all bad. Yeah it's a miracle she trusts you, Honky!
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AnneBoleyn;1448224 wrote: That brings back memories---all bad. Yeah it's a miracle she trusts you, Honky!


Who said she did ?

As it happens we have a very good open relationship........that's how I know when push comes to shove there is a racial element.
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tude dog;1448210 wrote:


Don't think so.

It's two sides of the same coin.

He is right on both counts.
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I have always said that the day a white guy or a black guy in the heat of an argument can say "you black/white bastard" and the colour part has no relevance, racism is finished.

But we are a loooooong way from that unfortunately.

We are still hung up about Black boards and and stuff or whether Jesus was black or white..........gawd help us all.
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LarsMac;1448237 wrote: Don't think so.

It's two sides of the same coin.

He is right on both counts.


Heads or tails?

"Stop talking about it

MORGAN: Has Obama helped the process of eradicating racism? Or has it in a --

FREEMAN: I don't think...

MORGAN: ... strange way, made it worse?

FREEMAN: Made it worse. Made it worse. Look at the -- look -- the Tea Partiers -- who are controlling the Republican party, their stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that Obama only serves one term. What's -- what does that -- what underlines that? Screw the country. We're going to do whatever we need to do to get this black man -- we can -- we're going to do whatever we can to get this black man out of here.

MORGAN: But it's not necessarily a racist--

FREEMAN: It is a racist thing.


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AnneBoleyn;1447814 wrote: I didn't realize you are a black man Mickiel. I just saw, or noticed, for the first time your profile picture. Feel free to ignore this comment.




Actually I am mixed, my Mom and Father were Black, my grandparents were American Indian on my Mom's side, white and black on my Dad's side; so I am a conglomerant of the three races.

But there exist an old proverb; if you have 1 % of black blood, then your black.
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AnneBoleyn;1448220 wrote: I'm supposing you discuss your wee bit of racism or your reservations with your wife. That must be interesting conversation.

As for TD, he has told us that as a child, teenager, he lived with the rougher elements of the black race & had his suffering regarding that. He, the white child, was the minority, & probably payed plenty for the experience. This, no pun intended, must have colored his thinking. He did know many thugs, of that I'm sure. I'm sorry, also no pun intended, that he didn't have a lighter (easier) childhood. Those the breaks, man. Experience can be a nasty teacher.


All that's true, but it doesn't have to be. I spent some years in my formative years as the only Anglo-American child in the inner-city in Denver. My Mother taught at an inner city school. Everyone in that area was African-American and I was the little "paddy-boy." But I don't have any attitude about it now.
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Saint_;1448528 wrote: All that's true, but it doesn't have to be. I spent some years in my formative years as the only Anglo-American child in the inner-city in Denver. My Mother taught at an inner city school. Everyone in that area was African-American and I was the little "paddy-boy." But I don't have any attitude about it now.


Well this just goes to show us that much of racism, is how someone got treated by another race; and not all examples are bad. Because not all people are bad. But racism can go much deeper than how a person was treated, it can get into how that person " Was taught to think about another race"- and how that teaching has affected their consciousness in their life. And how that consciousness can subconsciously affect a society.

And we can see a LOT of that throughout the entire worlds consciousness.
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Mickiel;1448533 wrote: Well this just goes to show us that much of racism, is how someone got treated by another race; and not all examples are bad. .


True enough. I spent some of my ten years on the Blackfoot Reservation in Montana. They were so nice to my family that we got invited to pow wows and I even got to drum in the drum circle. I met Buffy St. Marie and the guy who played the original Tonto. I really loved those people, but when I moved to New Mexico, I quickly realized that the Navajos were not the Blackfeet, nor were the New Mexicans like the Montanans. (See: "The Broken Circle" - which, incidentally, is about some guys from my neighborhood then. I knew them. They were sociopathic jerks.)
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Saint_;1448534 wrote: True enough. I spent some of my ten years on the Blackfoot Reservation in Montana. They were so nice to my family that we got invited to pow wows and I even got to drum in the drum circle. I met Buffy St. Marie and the guy who played the original Tonto. I really loved those people, but when I moved to New Mexico, I quickly realized that the Navajos were not the Blackfeet, nor were the New Mexicans like the Montanans. (See: "The Broken Circle" - which, incidentally, is about some guys from my neighborhood then. I knew them. They were sociopathic jerks.)




My Grandmother on my Mothers side was a Blackfeet Indian. The Blackfeet Indians that I know of were those who married or mated with Black people, and their offspring were just darker. But their entire history cannot be just limited to that; but its the tribe that my liniage came from.

The tribe were Nomads and just started marrying other races as they got around.
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Mickiel;1448533 wrote: Well this just goes to show us that much of racism, is how someone got treated by another race; and not all examples are bad.

Because not all people are bad


I believe that so true.

Mickiel;1448533 wrote: But racism can go much deeper than how a person was treated, it can get into how that person " Was taught to think about another race"- and how that teaching has affected their consciousness in their life. And how that consciousness can subconsciously affect a society.


That is also true.

Mickiel;1448533 wrote: And we can see a LOT of that throughout the entire worlds consciousness.
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