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I believe God Himself is chuckling at this one!!

AL: This is great. I chuckled uncontrollably at this one. I will haver to post it somewhere in my office buidling so all of the homphobes I work with might read it!

that is the best thing that i have heard in a long time!!!! i love it

You can poke fun at the beliefs of one group…even post an out of context spoof on his beliefs on the internet and in an office building and that’s okay. If someone from that group opposes the idea that teaching children it is okay for one man to perform oral sex on another whose penis has recently been in fecal material he can be called a homophobe and a hate monger who is in violation of the new State religion of diversity, and that’s okay... even State supported. Where is the equity?

Try doing a spoof like that on the Koran and see what it gets you.

You have the right to think the letter to Dr. Laura is funny and post it here or wherever you like. I also have the right to comment on it and say I’m not laughing. :-6

Clint, it is your right to not find it amusing.. I do.. it demonstrates the the selective use of certain passages of the bible (or koran) by ultra conservatives to suit their needs. It smacks of hypocrasy to select a passage that demeans a segment of society, yet ignore other passages that are just as discrimatory or inflammatory.

Clint wrote: one man to perform oral sex on another whose penis has recently been in fecal material


Do you know where your hands have been? Do you wash them everytime you eat, smoke (if you do), wash your car, use a public facility? Does your wife/girlfriend always wipe correctly after using the bathroom? Because 3 out 4 women at somepoint in there life will wipe incorrectly and bacteria from fecal matter will enter the vagina and grow there. If your wife has this "virus", arent you essentially putting your penis in fecal matter when you have sex with her? Arent you sticking your tongue in fecal matter if you prefer to have oral sex with her?

And not all homosexual men have anal sex.

You missed my point.

The letter demonstrates the writer’s lack of understanding when it comes to the Bible. I’m not going to get into an argument about how it is being misunderstood because I’ve done that before. It ends up being an argument between people who read the Bible for the purpose of discrediting it and people who have studied it to understand it. There will never be understanding reached between the two groups.

You disappoint me as well, in that you apparently don’t respect my love of the Bible. I don’t expect you to understand why or how it is that I came to the point I can say I love it. I only ask that you respect the fact that I, and many others, do.

My point is that you can openly laugh at what I believe but if what you believe regarding homosexuality, for instance, is challenged, the challenger is fair game for all kinds of name calling and disrespect. In the present day it isn’t okay to speak out against homosexuality but it is okay to speak out against people of faith. I’m not arguing the Bible and I’m not arguing against homosexuality even though it's obvious that I don't support its prcatice. I’m arguing the double standard.

I still dare you to do the same kind of a letter using the book of another faith and post it here.

DesignerGal wrote: Do you know where your hands have been? Do you wash them everytime you eat, smoke (if you do), wash your car, use a public facility? Does your wife/girlfriend always wipe correctly after using the bathroom? Because 3 out 4 women at somepoint in there life will wipe incorrectly and bacteria from fecal matter will enter the vagina and grow there. If your wife has this "virus", arent you essentially putting your penis in fecal matter when you have sex with her? Arent you sticking your tongue in fecal matter if you prefer to have oral sex with her?

And not all homosexual men have anal sex.


You sure make a lot of gross assumptions. If you will read my post I said the practice shouldn't be taught to our children as some public schools have.

Your assumptions of two people's practices were equally as gross.

For the record, I am just trying a different perspective. I am a strong believer in God and the fellowship of men and women and the love that should go on between all of mankind. I read the Bible and dont look to discredit it. I dont think its fair for me to decide what is wrong and what is right between two people who love eachother. Thats God's job.

I trust that every day when I wake up I will make the right decisions. I trust that I will do the best I can and be the best I can that day. I hope that God gives me the strength to be a good person. I try not to hurt peoples' feelings and only hope that when I do get to Heaven he is happy with the job I have done on Earth and what I have decided to do with my life by way of taking care of those who need it not persecuting them.

The reason I won't post anything negative about the Koran is the same reason I wont post anything negative about the Bible. I was simply laughing at the context that was used. and that so happened, made a good point that persecuting gays is just as wrong as owning slaves.

But that double standard you speak of is exactly the point made by the letter. As I said previously, the selective usage by religious conservatives of any faith when defending a stance on a controversial issue is hypocritical. It is not the study of the bible that is in question, it is the intrepretation of that study.

You can believe in whatever you want to Clint, that is your right. But, to buttress your argument with a selective passage from a religious text simply because you don't agree with the lifestyle and not accept the rest of the laws included in that same book demonstrates selective ignorace..

DesignerGal wrote: Your assumptions of two people's practices were equally as gross.

For the record, I am just trying a different perspective. I am a strong believer in God and the fellowship of men and women and the love that should go on between all of mankind. I read the Bible and dont look to discredit it. I dont think its fair for me to decide what is wrong and what is right between two people who love eachother. Thats God's job.


But it is okay to make assumptions about what my wife and I do together?

Clint wrote: But it is okay to make assumptions about what my wife and I do together?


It was a generalized "you and your wife". I wasnt specifically talking about you. I was referring to a heterosexual couple. I dont know what you and your wife do or if you do it at all. You could be celibate, you could be swingers, you could be wild exhibitionists or a mild missionary position (for lack of better terminology) type people. I was just using a scenario in heterosexual sex to counterpoint the statement you made about fecal matter and oral sex. As a matter of fact, wasnt it an assumption on your part about these homosexual men you speak about having anal sex? Like I said before, not ALL gay men have anal sex.

I dont want to argue with you anymore. I just believe that we should be nice to eachother. We should exert our energy finding ways to help those in need (sick, poor, illiterate, etc) and not persecute people for their decisions. And I am guilty too. I have a hard time tolerating racist people and its hard to be nice to them, but Im sure God would want me to just walk away because He will deal with them in his own way. Thanks for your insight. I appreciate the difference of opinion.

ArnoldLayne wrote: Actually you didnt dissapoint.



You reacted very much like I would of expected as someone who seems to think because I have a differing view I somehow are laughing at your love of the bible. There is no where in my post where I do this. When can we finally have a discussion without you seeing a red mist and a wrong perception of disrespect. The least I would have expected is a rational arguement on why people quote the bible to sustain their bigotries



The point of double standards is being made in a humorous manner. Surely as God gave us the sense of humour we should use it. I am reminded of the furore in the UK some years ago when the Church condemned the Monty Python film "The Life of Brian" and made fools of themselves by suggesting it was somehow poking fun at the life of Jesus.Without I may add, even bothering to see it. How God must have laughed at his flock





As for my doing a post on the Koran , why on earth would you think it could not be done. We all know the Koran and its followers are full of dichotomies and double standards and is also taken out of context. Fundamentlists of any religion are by nature blinkered to any thought outside the bindings of their respective teachings and are all selective in their quotes purely to further their narrow minded views. I could spend my time trudging the net for exactly the type of thing you are looking for and posting links but for what purpose.



Again , I do not know where you arrive at dissrespect, obviously your perception not mine or any written or intended. A clear explanation of the relevant texts would have been much more favourable :-6
Okay, you didn’t mean any disrespect. I have to accept that you didn’t.

I still maintain that a discussion of the texts in question will go absolutely no place. I’ve been down this road before and it didn’t change my beliefs and it didn’t change the beliefs of anyone else either. You can make an argument for the laws of Moses being outdated or unreasonable. I can, I believe, make a good argument for their validity, even though some of them are not relevant at this time. Around and around we would go and when it was all said and done, a lot would be said and very little, if any, would be done.

For the record, I teach the Bible fairly frequently. I don’t teach against homosexuals or other religions (except the one that wants to kill my children) or any particular “sins”. I teach with the greatest commandment in mind. Love God and love your neighbor. I'm not into bashing homosexuals nor do I even make homosexuality the topic. There is way too much for me and the people I teach to learn about in the area of loving God and our neighbors for me to get caught up in the details of the law or the sins of other people. I also teach that we are called upon to love and show mercy to ALL people.

DesignerGal wrote: It was a generalized "you and your wife". I wasnt specifically talking about you. I was referring to a heterosexual couple. I dont know what you and your wife do or if you do it at all. You could be celibate, you could be swingers, you could be wild exhibitionists or a mild missionary position (for lack of better terminology) type people. I was just using a scenario in heterosexual sex to counterpoint the statement you made about fecal matter and oral sex. As a matter of fact, wasnt it an assumption on your part about these homosexual men you speak about having anal sex? Like I said before, not ALL gay men have anal sex.

I dont want to argue with you anymore. I just believe that we should be nice to eachother. We should exert our energy finding ways to help those in need (sick, poor, illiterate, etc) and not persecute people for their decisions. And I am guilty too. I have a hard time tolerating racist people and its hard to be nice to them, but Im sure God would want me to just walk away because He will deal with them in his own way. Thanks for your insight. I appreciate the difference of opinion.
And thank you for your insight....What difference of opinion?:wah:

greydeadhead wrote: But that double standard you speak of is exactly the point made by the letter. As I said previously, the selective usage by religious conservatives of any faith when defending a stance on a controversial issue is hypocritical. It is not the study of the bible that is in question, it is the intrepretation of that study.

You can believe in whatever you want to Clint, that is your right. But, to buttress your argument with a selective passage from a religious text simply because you don't agree with the lifestyle and not accept the rest of the laws included in that same book demonstrates selective ignorace..
I have listened to Dr. Laura a few times. I don't agree with all of her positions but she also has a lot of good points to make. I don't know it for a fact but based on what I've observed, she was probably responding to a question from a Jew or a Christian when she referenced the Bible.

ArnoldLayne wrote: Well, now we are getting somewhere. A discussion of a topic in a civilised nature comparing differing views, just as it should be . Let us hope we can continue ,if you wish that is, without biting lumps out of each other. I would like to know more on the laws of Moses and since you teach the Bible and I am willing to listen pehaps you will change your mind and educate me. I dont agree that it will go nowhere, it will only go nowhere if there is nothing more to add to what has been said. I for one don't believe that and I suspect you dont either.



It has to be said, that for a lot of people, the Laws of Moses and the text that surrounds them, are full of things that dont relate to the world we live in now, infact we would find them abhorant. I would like to know how you can validate such issues as slavery within the text and how those words can be related to todays modern world.



I warn you that as a non Christian, my knowledge of the Bible leaves a lot to be desired but should you wish to tackle this topic with me and others, I will endeavour to treat it and you with the respect it deserves. Dont expect an easy ride though :-6


I know this is going to sound like an excuse but...I am out of time. I've been doing this much longer than I should have today. It will probably be next Monday before I'm able to do a discussion like you describe justice. If I can get back with enough time on my hands before then, I will.

posted by clint

For the record, I teach the Bible fairly frequently. I don’t teach against homosexuals or other religions (except the one that wants to kill my children) or any particular “sins”. I teach with the greatest commandment in mind. Love God and love your neighbor. I'm not into bashing homosexuals nor do I even make homosexuality the topic. There is way too much for me and the people I teach to learn about in the area of loving God and our neighbors for me to get caught up in the details of the law or the sins of other people. I also teach that we are called upon to love and show mercy to ALL people.


What religon is it that wants to kill your children? Religious extremists of all types take religious texts and twist the words to suit their own agenda. Not too long ago the bible was used to justify segregation in the states. i don't think any religon can be free of such perversion by some of it's followers. Islam preaches tolerance of other faiths

posted by arnold layne

Well, now we are getting somewhere. A discussion of a topic in a civilised nature comparing differing views, just as it should be . Let us hope we can continue ,if you wish that is, without biting lumps out of each other. I would like to know more on the laws of Moses and since you teach the Bible and I am willing to listen pehaps you will change your mind and educate me. I dont agree that it will go nowhere, it will only go nowhere if there is nothing more to add to what has been said. I for one don't believe that and I suspect you dont either.


That too appeals to me. If I can start off with a question that has always puzzled me, how can a follower of JC, forgive those who trespass etc also in the same breath almost preach an aye for an eye?

I've always liked Ghandis' take on it, if you practice an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth all you will be left with is a lot of blind people with no teeth.

Ok i just have one question to all of the FG'ers out there who have similar beliefs as Clint, as well as to Clint. Have you actually walked the path of Christ? I have asked this question before on here for one simple fact. How can you boast about the ways and teachings of Christ when you neglect the things that made this "son of god" so enlightened. 99% of us would never give up all posessions for the sake of religious self discovery. Could you fast for 40 days? I would almost garauntee that you would meet god. Up close and personal. Because you would be on deaths door. I will admit. I am ignorent of the bible. I have read genisis, parts of exodus, as well as parts of ST. Mathew. And i speak only from a heirsay perspective. So PLEASE correct me if any of my "facts" about the path of Christ are incorrect.

There is some rumour among the Pegan community that part of the Lost years of christ were spent with the Shammans of centeral/south american tribes because of some similarities in lore as well as the fasting to reach the alternate state of conscienceness. The Shammans Believe that ANYONE who chooses can see what is beyond the veil of life. Bringing oneself to deaths door as Christ did would certanly allow you to see that side.

I also have another question. Why is NONE of the bible written by the messiah? Why do you choose to believe a book that was written by those who saught to be in Christ's, and gods good graces? Yet when there is a document that is written in Aramaic(sp?) the actual language of christ(and not greek like the new testimate was written) do you ignore that?

These are innocent questions that i would like to have answered. However when i pose these questions there seems to be a wall that comes up. No more room for discussion because i am ANTI CHRISTIAN. I am not. I deeply respect the things Christ tried to teach man. I do believe he was a great man and i do not deny the fact that he had a connection with the divine. If anyone can answer these simple questions i would be deeply appreciative.

It’s late here and I need to get to bed for a long day tomorrow. Before I do I want to give some kind of a reply to the questions being asked.

First let me say that I cannot walk the walk of Christ. There is only one Messiah and I am not Him. I fall so far short of his walk I can’t measure the distance. I know people who do much better than I do but they also fall short.

Gandhi was a great man and his teaching was very similar to those of Jesus in many areas. His nonviolent approach to things worked very well in that time and place. I believe that Jesus teaches to be nonviolent when possible. Jesus and Gandhi both upset the establishment of their time with their nonviolent stands that ultimately ended in violence.

Matt. 18: 21-35 is an account of Jesus teaching both forgiveness and harsh discipline for not forgiving. He also said he didn’t come to bring peace. There are so many instances that can be quoted that seem to be contradictory. We could spend endless hours working through them. The thing that I have learned is that even though they seem to be contradictory, they aren’t. I've also learned that those who want the Bible to be contradict itself will always see it as doing so.

Read the book of Revelation to see that when Jesus returns he will bring with him a sword. His incarnation 2,000 years ago was to bring peace but just as it had been predicted mankind failed to understand him.

To understand Him you must first want to and second, realize you will never completely understand Him. And, if you refuse to accept the Bible as a divinely inspired document you will likely never past first base. It is important to examine your motives before you begin because people even refuse to believe well documented books of recent history when they are somehow motivated to see them as false.

The Bible wasn’t written by the Messiah, it was inspired by Him. Those who wrote it were guided by Him as they wrote. The entire book either points forward to Christ or reflects back on Him. I guess you could say it is an autobiography written by others.

I’m going cross eyed. I want to continue this but it will, as I said earlier, have to be next week. Good night.:yh_sleep

Arnold Laynes sharing the spoof on selective Old Testament teachings would be an invaluable tool to use when attempting to open the eyes of intolerant, self righteous and judgemental people. Unfortunately, those people who fall into this category would not be able to benefit from exaggerated examples of long gone barbaric " rules" devised by men to rule and controll each other. I have made copies of it to share. I am going to hang one on my bulletin board to make me laugh, when I come in contact with religious zealots who cross my path. I do not find the commentary disrespectful, but rather a presentation of scriptures slanted in a different way , with the pupose of enlightening. Much the same way that preachers prepare a sermon with their flocks. These teachers have free reign to pull together a group of scriptures, and present them in any way they choose, to make a point. All men have the same right. I have mentioned before that I studied the Bible quite extensively many years ago. There are passages that color my life today. I have never made a definative decision regarding whether or not it was written by divine intervention. Although I lean towards the side of believing it wasnt, it doesnt matter. Life presents us with ever changing scenarios daily. Opportunitys to treat each other kindly, and to exercise compassion. Who needs to refer to a service manual when deciding how to treat anyone? People who abhor or fear homosexuals more than likely have never developed frienships wjth anyone of this sexual persuasion. Consequently, these uninformed judges know very little about the lifestyle. One of the posters was correct. Not all homosexuals engage in physical relationships with each other. They simply love someone of the same sex, and the situation is very difficult for them. There are actually some very religious members of this group who abstain from physical contact, because their religious beliefs forbid it. Born with desires they wish they didnt have,it is a very difficult and challenging walk for them to live,everyday.

weeder wrote: Not all homosexuals engage in physical relationships with each other. They simply love someone of the same sex, and the situation is very difficult for them. There are actually some very religious members of this group who abstain from physical contact, because their religious beliefs forbid it. Born with desires they wish they didnt have,it is a very difficult and challenging walk for them to live,everyday.


I am glad that you bring this up. I wonder what kind of god enjoys this torture? Because it must be. This is another question that eggs me on. God is all knowing and all seing. When he created lucifer he new he would fall. When he created man he knew there would be homosexuality. When he did these things if he were all knowing, it seems as if he just wants to see people struggle. I reject any god that will purposfully create such double edged swords just to watch the worm struggle on the hook.

Gee Arnold, when you step in it, you really go hip deep, don't you?



I have red hair (ginger for you Brits that are anal about color). when I was a kid other kids teased me because it was different. I'm sure they continued to tease me because they knew it bothered me. I was in the Air Force about 3 months when the first of many called me Red. I almost blew a gasket, then I saw in his face that he thought that was my nickname.



I was sitting in the dorm dayroom with a bunch of other guys watching the movie Mask starring Cher and a guy in so much makeup he may be a star now but I'd never recognize him. I made some disrespectful wisecracks (probably many, knowing me). One guy finally couldn't take it anymore and turned on me and screamed (really!) that if I couldn't show a little respect ... well you get the picture. Turns out that he was a biker, the movie had bikers as the main "family," he missed his bike, and all this melded into I was insulting his friends.



Adam Carolla was on the TV a couple of hours ago calling his own father a greedy ba$tard and "the guy with funny hair." He also obviously got on famously with the old guy.



Some pointless undertakings:

* preaching abstinence in a whore house

* Requesting country music at a Jay Z concert

* Complaining about a hangnail at a cancer survivor's end-of-chemo party

* Taking issue with an irreverent joke



It took me so long to type all this out, I forgot the point I was trying to make, but I'm not deleting all that hard work.

Accountable wrote: * Taking issue with an irreverent joke
Now you tell me. :wah:

This is actually what was said...............

Dr Laura and Leviticus

Laura Schlesinger is a US radio personality, who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. She recently said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura which was posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

Homer Simpson-Caldwell

and NV

:wah: :wah: Am I in trouble now or WHAT!!

Thats why your my mom! Always gotta play devil's advocate!

hmmmm wonder where i got it from....

TenneseeGirl wrote: Thats why your my mom! Always gotta play devil's advocate!

hmmmm wonder where i got it from....


Hey T-girl - I thought you'd have something to say......:-4

Me????? never!!!!

TenneseeGirl wrote: Me????? never!!!!


Oh come on...:wah:

not to make light of the whole god hates gay people thing. But what do you think? LOL and why wont anyone answer any of my questions that i put in my earlier post? i think god made gay people so he has to love them. I also think that if was a sin in the bible because of the same reason circumsision came about. HEALTH! they didnt have the medical knowledge we had. so if god put it was wrong less people would die of infection.... but yeah thats just me

TenneseeGirl wrote: not to make light of the whole god hates gay people thing. But what do you think? LOL and why wont anyone answer any of my questions that i put in my earlier post? i think god made gay people so he has to love them. I also think that if was a sin in the bible because of the same reason circumsision came about. HEALTH! they didnt have the medical knowledge we had. so if god put it was wrong less people would die of infection.... but yeah thats just me


I'm just going to answer the God/gay thing. As most of you know I do not attend church. I believe that after death our energy - that is our soul - goes to a different place. In THAT place we are all equal. SOOO in this thought there is no lesser or better place on this Earth for any human being - no matter their sexual preference. AND WHO THE HELL gets to judge that.

nvalleyvee wrote: I'm just going to answer the God/gay thing. As most of you know I do not attend church. I believe that after death our energy - that is our soul - goes to a different place. In THAT place we are all equal. SOOO in this thought there is no lesser or better place on this Earth for any human being - no matter their sexual preference. AND WHO THE HELL gets to judge that.


hmmmmmmmm judge it..... not me! i like my gay friends. they can go to the same place that i do when we die

oh and to cut it off before it starts, that place is not hell!

TenneseeGirl wrote: hmmmmmmmm judge it..... not me! i like my gay friends. they can go to the same place that i do when we die


Squeeze me - I agreed with yoiu.

nvalleyvee wrote: Squeeze me - I agreed with yoiu.


::squish NV::

I posted three offensive jokes because of the discussion in this thread. Do we want to discuss why here, or should I start a new thread?

The Buddhist stance......





"Buddhist schools condemning homosexuality for laypersons is a recent development and there is no scriptural basis upon which it is to be condemned. "

Far, that was an excellent post. I wish I could get my point across as well, especially since my views are identical to yours. I guess you did it for me, thanks!

The bad part is, we are considered "un-PC" and bigoted etc, etc, yada yada, because we don't accept the practices of these people. I'm still with ya' anyway, it is after all, still an opinion, something we are all entitled to.

Clint,



As you saw, I tested your idea that similarly disrespectful jokes about Muslims and gays would not be tolerated. I tossed in a joke insulting black people for good measure. I'm really sorry to say you were wrong, at least this one time.



I got two negative responses for the black joke, one or two positive responses for the gay joke, and no responses at all for the Muslim joke. It may have been because it was I who posted the jokes. I think I might have gotten a different resonse if I had logged on as someone new. It might have been different if the jokes were posted in a different order (the Muslim joke was between the other two). Whatever the reasons, I was disappointed.



Posting those disgusting jokes affected me physically. I unfortunately had quite a few black jokes to choose from, and chose the most insulting one I could find that didn't use inflamatory language that might get me banned (choosing my battles). I was physically shaking with a mix of anger and anxiety as I posted it. I laughed aloud at the gay joke. The Muslim joke, the longer one, was the only long joke I could find about Muslims. It didn't really affect me one way or another.



What does this say about me?



What do the lack of responses say about my fellow Gardeners?



I wish to offer a heartfelt yet relatively feeble apology to all I insulted by this experiment.

Well I for one am much of the same belief as Far. I at one time thought I was fairly liberal about homosexuality, and could accept it. But I discovered recently I was kidding myself. One day I was faced with it and oh boy it makes me feel very awkward, and I can only see how wrong it is. But hey if the imaginary line between us isn't crossed I shall keep it a safe distance from myself.

BabyRider wrote: Far, that was an excellent post. I wish I could get my point across as well, especially since my views are identical to yours. I guess you did it for me, thanks!

The bad part is, we are considered "un-PC" and bigoted etc, etc, yada yada, because we don't accept the practices of these people. I'm still with ya' anyway, it is after all, still an opinion, something we are all entitled to.


It makes me think of what we tell our kids, "if it makes you uncomfortable then stay away" and there is my approach. (as best as I can)