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Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:24 pm
by Clint
TW2005 wrote: Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

By Jon Leyne

BBC correspondent in Baghdad





It is a punishing experience to have no power in an Iraqi summer

On the outskirts of Baghdad, workmen have been toiling frantically to repair a huge broken water main.

It was blown up by insurgents at the weekend. They knew exactly where to place the charge for maximum damage. It has taken out the water supply for more than half of Baghdad.

"We've been affected badly," complained one man in the area. "We don't have any water to drink. What are we supposed to do? Sometimes they cut the power as well. It's all the fault of the Americans."

It is typical of the frustration faced by the Americans and their allies, as they struggle to improve the quality of life in Iraq.

Figures from the US aid agency US-Aid show that Iraq is generating more electricity now than when Saddam Hussein was in power. But that us not the impression for most Iraqis as they suffer another sweltering summer with only intermittent power.

Unbearable heat

"Nothing has changed, maybe it's worse. Life is very hard"--Trainee seamstress

At the moment in Baghdad, the power is off for four hours, then on for only two. Even those lucky enough to own generators struggle to find the power to run vital air conditioning units.

In the southern city of Basra there were protests about the situation this week.

The temperature there can rise to 50C with 98% humidity. It can be almost unbearable.

The Iraq budget for US-Aid alone, since the downfall of Saddam Hussein, has been more than $5bn. But most Iraqis simply have not seen a difference.



Insurgents know exactly where to strike to cause maximum chaos

On one job creation project, there is a budget of $88m. It has paid for a series of training centres, like one I visited in the impoverished Sadr City neighbourhood of Baghdad.

I found trainers teaching Iraqis computer skills. In another room, two classes of women were learning to use Chinese-made sewing machines.

They are popular classes. But the day I visited, nothing was moving. The power was down once again.

Stark prospects

The staff admit they only expect to find jobs for half the people they train.

"Nothing has changed, maybe it's worse. Life is very hard," said one of the women learning to sew.

Rime and her husband Saad work for the contractors who are carrying out the training.

I asked Rime if life was getting any better, two years after the fall of Saddam.



Those who can afford it make their own electricity

"No it's not, that's the truth" she said. "But we cannot submit to the situation.

"There are some jobs, there are some companies defying the security situation and trying to get things started. And Iraqis are very supportive to such companies."

Rime and Saad know they are putting their lives in danger, just by working on a US-financed project.

"It is dangerous," said Saad. "But one way or another we have to do it. If I believe in something I have to continue doing it."

Little to show

The Americans and their allies point to the steady political progress - the handover of sovereignty, elections, the formation of a government, and now talks on the writing of a new constitution.

The hope was that a new, legitimate, government, would isolate the insurgents and win the support of moderates in all communities.

The trouble is, that has just not happened. If anything the violence continues to increase.

In the last few days, for example, more than 40 Iraqis have been killed in bomb attacks against police trainees, and at a Baghdad restaurant.

It has become so commonplace the rest of the world hardly notices any more.

Remarkably, Iraqis have not lost hope that things will improve. But so far, despite billions of dollars spent in Iraq, there is very little to show for it.





http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 118628.stm
Propaganda, proudly paid for by Al Qaeda.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:00 pm
by BTS
TW2005 wrote: Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

It is a punishing experience to have no power in an Iraqi summer

On the outskirts of Baghdad, workmen have been toiling frantically to repair a huge broken water main.

It was blown up by insurgents at the weekend. They knew exactly where to place the charge for maximum damage. It has taken out the water supply for more than half of Baghdad.
Gee TW (almost rhymes Hee-HEE)

Can you tel us ALL why they might blow up their own fellow citizens power?

Just wondering why? Seems weird to me......... How does that hurt the NastY ol Ameicans? Other than to add to simps like you who use it against the USA........

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:03 pm
by BTS
Far Rider wrote:



Heck, we even feed Saddam doritos....And SPAMM............

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:13 pm
by BTS
Far Rider wrote: I'd really llike to feed Saddam..... to the lions.PORK, The MAIN INGREDIENT used

The deep, dark truth about Spam.



Ingredients:


Chopped pork shoulder meat with ham meat added.

Salt (for binding, flavour, and firmness)

Water (to help in mixing)

Sugar (for flavour)

Sodium Nitrite (for colour and as a preservative)

Yum yum!

Nutrition Information For SPAM (original style):


Calories Per Serving: 170

Calories Per Serving From Fat: 140

Serving Size: 2 oz.

Servings Per Container: 6 (large) or 3.5 (small)

Total Fat: 16g

Saturated Fat: 6g

Cholesterol: 40mg

Sodium: 750mg

Total Carbohydrates: 0g

Fiber: 0g

Sugars: 0g

Proteins: 7g

Vitamin A: 0%

Vitamin C: 0%

Calcium: 0%

Iron: 2%

Deee-licious!

Nifty Spam Trivia!


By World War II, Hormel had sold twenty thousand tons of Spam. Then, during the wartime meat rationing, Spam got popular...

If all the cans of Spam ever eaten were put end-to-end, they would circle the globe at least ten times.

In the U.S. alone, 3.8 cans of Spam "are consumed every second"(assuming SPAM is eaten 24 hours a day, 365.25 days a year).

Senator Robert Byrd of West Viginia eats a sandwich of SPAM and mayonnaise on white bread three times a week.

Residents of Hawai'i eat an average of four cans of SPAM per person per year, more than in any other place on Earth (Elsewhere in the Universe, who knows?).

By 1959, a billion cans of SPAM had been sold. The two billion mark was hit in 1970, followed by three billion in 1980, four billion in 1986, and five billion in 1993. That's a lot of SPAM!

In Korea, SPAM is sold in stylish presentation gift boxes of nine cans each. SPAM stolen from army PXs can be found on the Korean black market. And there are Korean imitations called Lo-Spam, Dak, Plumrose, and Tulip, to ensure that no one need go without.

Nikita Krushchev once credited SPAM with the survival of the WWII Russian army. ''Without SPAM, we wouldn't have been able to feed our army,'' he said.

SPAM is sold in over 99% of U.S. grocery stores.

The SPAM luncheon meat trademark is registered in 93 countries.

Over 60 million people in the U.S. eat SPAM.

SPAM is made in two U.S. locations - Austin, Minnesota, and Fremont, Nebraska - and seven other countries: England, Australia, Denmark, Phillipines, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea.

In 1989, the U.S. armed forces bought 3.3 million pounds of SPAM.

Over 141 million cans of SPAM are sold worldwide each year



Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:17 pm
by gmc
It was blown up by insurgents at the weekend. They knew exactly where to place the charge for maximum damage. It has taken out the water supply for more than half of Baghdad.

"We've been affected badly," complained one man in the area. "We don't have any water to drink. What are we supposed to do? Sometimes they cut the power as well. It's all the fault of the Americans."


Note the quotation marks? He's reporting what was said by an Iraqui.

It is typical of the frustration faced by the Americans and their allies, as they struggle to improve the quality of life in Iraq.

Figures from the US aid agency US-Aid show that Iraq is generating more electricity now than when Saddam Hussein was in power. But that us not the impression for most Iraqis as they suffer another sweltering summer with only intermittent power.


Note he's pointing out the reality that more power is being generated now than when Saddam was in power and that the impression that thgings are worse is wrong.

The Americans and their allies point to the steady political progress - the handover of sovereignty, elections, the formation of a government, and now talks on the writing of a new constitution.

The hope was that a new, legitimate, government, would isolate the insurgents and win the support of moderates in all communities.

The trouble is, that has just not happened. If anything the violence continues to increase.

In the last few days, for example, more than 40 Iraqis have been killed in bomb attacks against police trainees, and at a Baghdad restaurant.

It has become so commonplace the rest of the world hardly notices any more.

Remarkably, Iraqis have not lost hope that things will improve. But so far, despite billions of dollars spent in Iraq, there is very little to show for it.


Even when a report is broadly sympathetic you assume it's being critical of the americans. The bbc is not perfect but generally you will see both sides of a debate here it is both pointing out the impression many or some iraquis seem to have that things are not improving and the reality of what has been done.

posted by clint

Propaganda, proudly paid for by Al Qaeda.


So you think it propaganda that iraquis have not lost hope?

So you think it's propaganda that Iraq is generating more power than when Iraq was in power? (this would mean the figures from US aid are inaccurate)

So it's propaganda that the water main was blown up at the weekend and the insurgents knew exactly where to place the explosives for most effect?

So it's propaganda that more than 40 Iraquis have been killed in the last few weeks?

Which parts do you think are propaganda paid for by Al Qaeda?

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:45 pm
by anastrophe
i like spam. their low-salt version is particularly good. let's that spammy flavor shine through, without the nasty spam-thirst after.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:47 am
by Jives
(sigh) yet another doom and gloom thread by TW, TW...for your next thread I'd like you to post about the psychologicaly soothing qualities of fluffy bunny rabbits. :wah:

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:29 am
by BTS
Just 4 Kosmonova:

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:32 am
by sherry
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Nothing to add, just wanted to quote this monster reply. *lol*

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:46 am
by lady cop
why would you want to quote it, i am trying to get rid of it. please delete the quote. thanks.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:49 am
by lady cop
sherry empty your pm box please.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:52 am
by Galbally
My point on this (again) is what is this all for? What has it got to do with neutralizing Al-Queda? Who is benefitting from this nonsense? Not the West anyway, its just a huge waste of time, money, effort, and lives. None of the problems that are being faced in Iraq were present before 2003. OK Saddam is a bollix, he is getting his, good, I'm delighted for him. But so what? Has it really been worth the effort, the U.S. is just getting it in the neck from the Iraqis and it will till it gets shot of the place, nothing that the U.S. does will please the Iraqis, but what do you expect, they have convienently forgotten what a prick saddam was, and now just consider themselves caught between the U.S. and the "insurgents" neither of whom are particularly popular. Democracy in Iraqi will last exactly about one week after western troops leave, which will happen I don;t know when. Al-Queda are laughing and are, I'm sure, planning their next bombing or whatever, oil supplies are as unstable as ever, Saudi Arabia is still a basket case, the Chinese are smooching up to everyone and sundry in the Middle East using Iraq as an excuse to as usual portray the West as war mongerers and imperalists, which is music to arab ears, Bush is out rallying the American people, coz he knows that he doesn't have a cat in hell's hope of withdrawing troops for years, Saddam is acting the big lad at his trial like the prick he is, and we are faced with years more of an unwinnable war, a destabilizing middle east that we can't get out of because we need their flipping oil, they hate us, we don't like them much,, Aston Villa got knocked out of the League Cup by Doncaster Rovers, and I am tired. In short, this sucks. :mad:

P.S. Who posted that stupid long post, can you not remove it, its annoying, whoever it is, their obviously about 12, and having a laugh.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:24 am
by Galbally
SnoozeControl wrote: I can't be arsed to read this entire thread, but I bought gas yesterday for $1.81 a gallon. That's the whole point, isn't it?


Do you know what, it isn't? If it was it wouldn't be so bad, Iraq is actually exporting less oil now than 3 years ago, so even the lefty liberal thing that its all about money and oil and evil corporations doesn't hold water. Maybe there is some long term strategy about that, but what exactly that is, god knows? Maybe that was the intention when they declared war, (oh no, hold on, they didn't actually do that), but if it was, then it didn't work very well. I mean in the first Gulf War, they got it right, they went in, everyone pitched in, (even the French), they kicked the Iraqis' arses in spectacualar fashion, secured the oil wells, got a big slap-up meal off the Kuwaiti's, only lost about 80 men, and everyone went home. Lovely, thats what I call a war, but this one, what a frickin diaster.

$1.81 a gallon, thats good. Its 1.11 Euro a litre over here, but thats why we all drive Volkwagens and Nissans I suppose.

Iraq rebuilding fails to deliver

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:36 pm
by anastrophe