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Barack Obama Is Now The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth | Zero Hedge

I will just jump right in there with "What a load of Malarkey"

Barack Obama Is Now The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth?

Herbert Hoover, the Republican 31st President, never got US GDP growth to move out of negative figures. Do your own homework. And before you blame it on the mess he was dealt, Hoover's predecessor as President was a Republican too and the one before that as well.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

And there were only two years in the whole of this century that saw US GDP growth as high as 3%, and those two years were fueled chiefly by Dubya's deregulated subprime mortgage housing bubble which led to the worldwide Capitalist bank-driven recession whoopsie. Which bits of that have you forgotten? Lehman Brothers crashing, Meryl Lynch? Fanny Mae, securitized lending at $10 trillion of the $25 trillion American credit market, mass foreclosures of poison loans which were only advanced to make bonus targets? Or is deregulation still The American Way.

The Previous Occasion We Had Emphatic Capitals Was When A Phalanx Of Overstanding Rastafari Philosophers Graced ForumGarden. Those Were Exciting Times.

LarsMac;1513812 wrote: I will just jump right in there with "What a load of Malarkey"Well, I would prefer "What a pile of..." never mind.

Here is something I copied from a website that I would characterize as logical, with no particular slant:



"Socialism allows for privately owned property and businesses exisitng alongside public run institutions. Germany is the perfect example. It has a coordinated market economy. Essentially the core of socialism is the redistributive capactiy of its welfare state and strength of employment restrictiveness policies."

I lived in Germany for nearly ten years. I lived in a wonderful little town called Ratingen, just outside Duesseldorf. I also traveled all over the country. I never saw any city, or neighborhood thereof, that I would describe as wretched or run-down.

Every working person was employed and every worker belonged to a union.

No squalor, no rich people in one part of town and dirt-poor across the tracks as in big-city USA.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a loyal American, but what a shame it cannot be like socialist Germany or any of the other European socialist cities!

Well, who knows, maybe some day. Bernie Sanders, I will be voting for you in 2020!

Added later: Perhaps off the topic, but interesting: Ambulance service in Ratingen is provided by a Catholic fraternal group called the Knights of Saint John of Malta, and it's FREE.

In the USA a trip like that would probably cost you or your insurance company a couple of hundred bucks.

It is true that the 3% GDP growth rate was not achieved during the Obama administration. The question is, of course, why this is a big deal. It's not! It's a gotcha story!

It's funny, Newt Gingrich has always claimed that the growth rate success of the Clinton years was due to the fact that most of those years Congress was held by Republicans and it was them forcing spending restraints on Clinton that was the key. We don't see Republicans claiming responsibility this time, do we?

LarsMac;1513812 wrote: I will just jump right in there with "What a load of Malarkey"


Which fact did I say that isn't true?

xfrodobagginsx;1513817 wrote: Which fact did I say that isn't true?


That "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Was The LOWEST In US History". It's also untrue that "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Growth Was The LOWEST In US History", which is what you ought to have written to make more sense - it's still not true, but it makes more sense.

It's also untrue that "Barack Obama Is Now The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth", as I demonstrated.

Perhaps you didn't click the link to factual data which I provided, to check?

xfrodobagginsx;1513817 wrote: Which fact did I say that isn't true?You didn't actually say any facts, you quoted someone else and linked their gotcha story.

You guys realise that all over the world people are payed to plant themselves in forums and wreak havoc? Subversive plants. They use certain words, direct conversations specifically back to original text and point ....where certain connatations andwords are used over and over again.

Its very clever, because although you take a position opposing view, they will keep using tjr same eords over and over again so in the future those words is all youll remember about the argument.....in this case..."socialist"..."obama"...fact".

Anyway, have fun being brainwashed.

And yes they recycle text. Hence the capital letters.

magentaflame;1513833 wrote: You guys realise that all over the world people are payed to plant themselves in forums and wreak havoc? Subversive plants. They use certain words, direct conversations specifically back to original text and point ....where certain connatations andwords are used over and over again.

Its very clever, because although you take a position opposing view, they will keep using tjr same eords over and over again so in the future those words is all youll remember about the argument.....in this case..."socialist"..."obama"...fact".

Anyway, have fun being brainwashed.

And yes they recycle text. Hence the capital letters.

Anybody know what this poster is talking about?

What are 'connatations andwords'? What are 'tjr same eords'?

Am I missing something?

Added later: Looking at the previous post again, I'm assuming that the weird words are simply misspellings.

But I'd like to know more about the 'plants'. As far as I know, to post here you have to have applied and are subject to certain rules. If you're claiming that posters are getting on surreptitiously, I'd like to know more about that. Surely the forum's managers would be aware of this.

No !!!!!!!

Mark Aspam;1513839 wrote: Anybody know what this poster is talking about?

What are 'connatations andwords'? What are 'tjr same eords'?

Am I missing something?


I think she's saying Xfrodo... is a Russian troll,

or something like that.

These "plants" are the latest allegations US intelligence is circulating via the US corporate media outlets. It's handy for the media because it damages the credibility of their competitors, that being social media outlets, which is probably a good thing anyway. Sites such as FB and Twitter are about as damaging to civility as could be, not to mention an embarrassment to a nation's education system. However, the corporate media's collusion with American intelligence is no better, and probably worse since it is intentional and relies on past reputations of the media names (Washington Post - New York Times - CNN).

The problem is that although there may be truth in this plant allegation, the US is probably as guilty if not more so than other countries. Which means that the purpose of this new focus is to redirect attention away from the US and onto Russia. Manipulation 101?

Dunno....i never mentioned a country . But well turned, im impressed.

"Plants" as such I have suspected but cannot of course prove - not here, on the BBC Have Your Say. What I am more sure about is people who adhere to a particular extreme viewpoint on a self-appointed mission to fight for their side - again on HYS but also perhaps here. To do that they will say anything, true or not, because after all, what they are fighting for is Good and Right.

At least some of them have, perhaps without realising it, got to a point where the end justifies the means. It's the sort of thinking that led in the past to the Inquisition and burning at the stake.

LarsMac;1513812 wrote: I will just jump right in there with "What a load of Malarkey"


Facts don't lie.

I've given Frodo eight years of assuming he posts in good faith, but not after that. He speaks, he's answered and he ignores what's said. That's not someone I'm going to interact with.

xfrodobagginsx;1513917 wrote: Facts don't lie.


Are we still on this? No, they don't. Notice how every Democratic president helped our GDP and every republican, except Ford, hurt it? Why do you think that is?

I think he's been barred.

edit: no he appears to have posted since, just not here.

Apparently Trump is stonewalling the Russia embargo he signed into law. It should apparently be enforced by now - in fact by October 1st - but it hasn't been. Why not, do you think? Does the man who ran the Miss World contest, funded by a Russian Bank suspected of having ties to the Kremlin, possibly have connections there he doesn't dare upset?

Really doesn't look good at a time when Mueller is starting to ratchet up the pressure.

How Liberals vs. Conservatives view the world explained:



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xfrodobagginsx;1513958 wrote: How Liberals vs. Conservatives view the world explained:



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It is untrue that "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Was The LOWEST In US History". It's also untrue that "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Growth Was The LOWEST In US History", which is what you ought to have written to make more sense - it's still not true, but it makes more sense.

It's also untrue that "Barack Obama Is Now The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth", as I demonstrated.

Perhaps you didn't click the link to factual data which I provided, to check?

xfrodobagginsx;1513958 wrote: How Liberals vs. Conservatives view the world explained:



WNmWqxl04Xyk19GEkuP-uMWyc&pnref=story


Sorry Bilbo .......couldn't stomach any further than the 1st minute......it actually evoked my gag reflex, if I had listened further I could have soiled my armchair.

He IS using the alt right/Trumpist/brexit tactic of never responding to rebuttals or proof of his lies, but just moves onto the next load of propagandist ****e.

The only evidence these videos represent is the evidence of what frodo uses to continue to feed his brainwashed upbringing. So at least it offers insight into his mind and past.

spot;1513960 wrote: It is untrue that "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Was The LOWEST In US History". It's also untrue that "Under Obama's Socialist Policies, GDP Growth Was The LOWEST In US History", which is what you ought to have written to make more sense - it's still not true, but it makes more sense.

It's also untrue that "Barack Obama Is Now The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth", as I demonstrated.

Perhaps you didn't click the link to factual data which I provided, to check?


Obama First President Since Great Depression Not to See 3% GDP Growth



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... gdp-growth

xfrodobagginsx;1513981 wrote: Obama First President Since Great Depression Not to See 3% GDP Growth



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... gdp-growth


Well, now, THERE's a reliable, unbiased News source.

...NOT!

xfrodobagginsx;1513981 wrote: Obama First President Since Great Depression Not to See 3% GDP GrowthAnd you actually wrote "Lowest in US History" and "Only President In History" for what reason, if the truth is actually "Since Great Depression"? Can you not actually tell the difference? Do you still not see that what you actually wrote was a lie? Have the words "sorry I was confused, what I wrote was total guff" never passed your lips?

What I honestly can't understand is why you just posted "Obama First President Since Great Depression Not to See 3% GDP Growth" as though it supported your original post instead of highlighted your lack of comprehension.

Here's a nice Liberally biased source for you. He was the most Socialist President in the History of America. Proof Socialism doesn't work. Trump has already topped 3% multiple times in under a year under Capitalist Policies, who wants to bet that this year under Capitalism he will top 3% beating ANY year under Obama's Socialist policies? Just wait until Trump lowers taxes. It's going to get even better.

Roskam says Obama admin the first to never top 3% in annual GDP growth

Roskam says Obama admin the first to never top 3% in annual GDP growth | PolitiFact Illinois

Thoughts on this new liberal biased article that still has o admit what I said?

UNDER TRUMP AND CAPITALISM RATHER THAN SOCIALISM: The U.S. economy rebounded from recent hurricanes, sending the jobless rate down to a 17-year low in October‹ and driving up the pace of hiring.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/hiring-reb ... 1509712307

Do protesters who support Communism/Socialism know it's history? Probably not.

I couldn't believe any reputable educational establishment would possibly support such bizarre Far Right claims, so I looked up Prager University. What did I find? It isn't a University at all. It's nothing a set of YouTube videos set up by some Radio Chat Show host in order to promote his Right Wing propaganda.

Original network - YouTube & FaceBook. Well, if it's on FaceBook, it must be true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

FourPart;1514152 wrote: I couldn't believe any reputable educational establishment would possibly support such bizarre Far Right claims, so I looked up Prager University. What did I find? It isn't a University at all. It's nothing a set of YouTube videos set up by some Radio Chat Show host in order to promote his Right Wing propaganda.

Original network - YouTube & FaceBook. Well, if it's on FaceBook, it must be true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU


I could have told you that it's just a website that makes educational videos to explain Conservative vs. Liberal issues. Did you read my other posts that show that Trumps Capitalism is better than Obama's Socialism? Watch, it will only get better once the tax cuts take effect. I can't wait.

xfrodobagginsx;1514154 wrote: I could have told you that it's just a website that makes educational videos to explain Conservative vs. Liberal issues. Did you read my other posts that show that Trumps Capitalism is better than Obama's Socialism? Watch, it will only get better once the tax cuts take effect. I can't wait.


There is nothing educational about propaganda - apart from demonstrating how evil people can be in wanting others to believe in their grotesque beliefs so much that they go so far out of their way to promote it.

xfrodobagginsx;1514154 wrote: Watch, it will only get better once the tax cuts take effect. I can't wait.


What Tax cuts ?

You can't wait ?

What is the alternative ?

Bruv;1514179 wrote: What Tax cuts ?

You can't wait ?

What is the alternative ?


Trump and the Republicans are gonna cut taxes on everyone. The Corporate tax in the US is the highest in the world at 35% and he's gonna bring it down to 20%. He wanted 15%. Taxes on everyone else will be lowered as well. Let's see what happens to the economoy under Capitalism. It's already surpassing any year of Obama's socialist policies in the first year.

xfrodobagginsx;1514189 wrote: Trump and the Republicans are gonna cut taxes on everyone. The Corporate tax in the US is the highest in the world at 35% and he's gonna bring it down to 20%. He wanted 15%. Taxes on everyone else will be lowered as well. Let's see what happens to the economoy under Capitalism. It's already surpassing any year of Obama's socialist policies in the first year.


So much misinformation I don't know where to begin, so I will just sigh and move on.

Wandrin;1514201 wrote: So much misinformation I don't know where to begin, so I will just sigh and move on.


Because tax cuts lead to higher tax revenue and Obama even admitted that he would still raise taxes even though tax revenue would go down. That's Socialism for you.

xfrodobagginsx;1514202 wrote: Because tax cuts lead to higher tax revenue and Obama even admitted that he would still raise taxes even though tax revenue would go down. That's Socialism for you.


Soooo.............you lower taxes and reap more ?

Why doesn't Apple lower the prices and earn more ?

How much are you going to be better off by lowering corporation tax ?

Bet you are......as we say over her "Quids in"

Bruv;1514220 wrote: Soooo.............you lower taxes and reap more ?

Why doesn't Apple lower the prices and earn more ?

How much are you going to be better off by lowering corporation tax ?

Bet you are......as we say over her "Quids in"


He believes in Trickle-Down, one of the other great fantasies of the Born-again Right Wingnuts.

The other fantasy is that the United states has a capitalist economy.

Bruv;1514220 wrote: Soooo.............you lower taxes and reap more ?

Why doesn't Apple lower the prices and earn more ?

How much are you going to be better off by lowering corporation tax ?

Bet you are......as we say over her "Quids in"


I'll let Obama explain it to you with his backward socialist logic:

gmc;1514224 wrote: The other fantasy is that the United states has a capitalist economy.


Capitalism Built the US economy, Japan's economy, Canada's economy, Britain's economy and all of the economic giants in the world. Now as many of these Countries turn more Socialistic in their economic policies, their economies are struggling more and more. Obama's 8 years were a good example of that. Chavez is a good example of that. The European Nations that went Bankrupts were good examples of that. California needed an economic bail out was an example of that.

What about China's economy ?

So......Trump has turned the US Economy around in less than a year ?

Thats not capitalism.....thats a flaming miracle......is he the second coming ?

Bruv;1514232 wrote: What about China's economy ?

So......Trump has turned the US Economy around in less than a year ?

Thats not capitalism.....thats a flaming miracle......is he the second coming ?


China is a Communist Country that is using more and more Capitalistic policies. No it is not Capitalism, but as they open the markets more and more like Capitalism, and allow competition, they are prospering more. Capitalism is building their economy, not their Communism/Socialism that has brought poverty for the past 80 years in China. They have always been severely poor until they instilled more Capitalism in their economy. Also, their economy is based largely on a trade imbalance with the United States in which they get the much better end of the stick. Trump is going to even that playing field.

xfrodobagginsx;1514233 wrote: China is a Communist Country that is using more and more Capitalistic policies. No it is not Capitalism, but as they open the markets more and more like Capitalism, and allow competition, they are prospering more. Capitalism is building their economy, not their Communism/Socialism that has brought poverty for the past 80 years in China. They have always been severely poor until they instilled more Capitalism in their economy. Also, their economy is based largely on a trade imbalance with the United States in which they get the much better end of the stick. Trump is going to even that playing field.


Poverty for the last 80 years ?

So America can't compete with a poor uneducated communist country ?

How did this "trade imbalance" happen ?

You do make me laugh.

Bruv;1514236 wrote: Poverty for the last 80 years ?

So America can't compete with a poor uneducated communist country ?

How did this "trade imbalance" happen ?

You do make me laugh.


He is hysterical, ain't he?

Trump's policies seem to working so well that he couldn't find any unemployed maids, waiters, or cooks for his resort. He had to get 70 visas to import these workers from other countries.

LarsMac;1514223 wrote: He believes in Trickle-Down, one of the other great fantasies of the Born-again Right Wingnuts.


You mean what you call trickle down and what actually works. Cutting taxes on the everyone including the rich is the best way to help the economy. When the rich Business owners make more money, they hire more employees, spend more money and it helps the poor by given them jobs. It also helps the economy.