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The Government wants a temporary customs union after we leave while we get ourselves sorted out. Wonderful. They've actually agreed something among themselves: Ask for absolutely everything. And keep a straight face.

This far into the negotiations - which are going brilliantly, according to Davis - all we have is that the UK Gov't has agreed something with itself.

Guy Verhofstadt's reply: To be in & out of the Customs Union & "invisible borders" is a fantasy. First need to secure citizens rights & a financial settlement.


It seems there is some hard negotiating to do and honestly no sign of it so far. With one side calling the other's position a fantasy then there's some way to go before agreement. Time moves on.

As things look at present brexit without any agreement slowly but steadily becomes the most likely outcome. We know that Fox would be fine with that as would the man in charge of our negotiations, Davis himself.

But hey. The government has agreed something with itself.

Clodhopper;1511716 wrote: The Government wants a temporary customs union after we leave while we get ourselves sorted out. Wonderful. They've actually agreed something among themselves: Ask for absolutely everything. And keep a straight face.

This far into the negotiations - which are going brilliantly, according to Davis - all we have is that the UK Gov't has agreed something with itself.

Guy Verhofstadt's reply:

It seems there is some hard negotiating to do and honestly no sign of it so far. With one side calling the other's position a fantasy then there's some way to go before agreement. Time moves on.

As things look at present brexit without any agreement slowly but steadily becomes the most likely outcome. We know that Fox would be fine with that as would the man in charge of our negotiations, Davis himself.

But hey. The government has agreed something with itself.


I hope they're like the proverbial swan will loads going on out of sight beneath the water 'cos from here the negotiations are a farce

So do I. And it's very difficult to tell much when there's almost no news. Maybe they are making great progress as Davis says but the other side doesn't seem impressed: "a fantasy".

My lodgers at present are all young and foreign born. They like it here, but the talk in the expat communities here is apparently of leaving and going to (mostly) Germany. (At which point there's the thing that apparently the expat community in Germany mostly speaks English and some Germans are starting to be upset about it...). So far it's just talk as far as I can tell.

I met a professional Polish couple last week who arrived two months ago, Brexit was no more than a self-inflicted oddity as far as they were concerned. They'd be sought-after near any major university in the world and they chose to work here, I hope we can keep attracting people that way.

spot;1511729 wrote: I met a professional Polish couple last week who arrived two months ago, Brexit was no more than a self-inflicted oddity as far as they were concerned. They'd be sought-after near any major university in the world and they chose to work here, I hope we can keep attracting people that way.


That would certainly be good.