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Here is a partial lists of Donald Trump's dubious achievements before he "won " the election last November .

1. "Trump "University " scam . Cheated numerous people out of millions of dollars to attend his bogus business school . Sett;led for a meagre 25 million in court .

2. Refusal to release his tax returns .

3 Lost future earnings for stereotyping Mexicans as "rapists " and violent criminals ,

fostering mindless fear and hatred of Muslims etc.

4. Importing illegal aliens for work and promising them visas, including his current wife Melania .

5. Numerous bankruptcies in only 25 years .

6. Failed business enterprises including an airline, wines, casinos which closed ,

magazines, mortgages, steaks , a network, travel site, communications company ,

(American ) football league , vodka, clothing (mad in China ) , a boards game .

7. Opportunistically joining the ridiculous "Birther " movement against Obama in Obama's last year as president .

8. Racial bias cases against him as a housing ty**** for refusing to sell property to

blacks , anti-discrimination violations at Trump plaza .

9. Consistent failure to pay his workmen and contractors on building projects , which involved him in lawsuits .

10 Three marriages, two divorces , openly boasting of his serial adulteries .

First wife Ivana accused him of marital rape .

Numerous accusations by women who worked for him or whom he met of blatant groping and fondling . Accusation by a young woman of being raped at a party several years ago

when she was only 13 . Judge found sufficient evidence to investigate him , but the victim withdrew the charges when she received death threats .

11. Easily got out of military service in Vietnam because his rich, powerful and influential father was able to get him several deferments .

12 . Rejected by the prestigious Wharton school of economics of the University of Pennsylvania because his grades were too low , but father got him admitted by a large donation . Mediocre student there anyway .

13 . Mocking a disabled New York Times reporter for his appearance .

14. Disrespecting the Pakistani born parents of a heroic US soldier killed in Iraq when he saved the lives of fellow soldiers .

And this is only the tip of the iceberg !

superhorn;1507609 wrote: Here is a partial lists of Donald Trump's dubious achievements before he "won " the election last November .

1. "Trump "University " scam . Cheated numerous people out of millions of dollars to attend his bogus business school . Sett;led for a meagre 25 million in court .

2. Refusal to release his tax returns .

3 Lost future earnings for stereotyping Mexicans as "rapists " and violent criminals ,

fostering mindless fear and hatred of Muslims etc.

4. Importing illegal aliens for work and promising them visas, including his current wife Melania .

5. Numerous bankruptcies in only 25 years .

6. Failed business enterprises including an airline, wines, casinos which closed ,

magazines, mortgages, steaks , a network, travel site, communications company ,

(American ) football league , vodka, clothing (mad in China ) , a boards game .

7. Opportunistically joining the ridiculous "Birther " movement against Obama in Obama's last year as president .

8. Racial bias cases against him as a housing ty**** for refusing to sell property to

blacks , anti-discrimination violations at Trump plaza .

9. Consistent failure to pay his workmen and contractors on building projects , which involved him in lawsuits .

10 Three marriages, two divorces , openly boasting of his serial adulteries .

First wife Ivana accused him of marital rape .

Numerous accusations by women who worked for him or whom he met of blatant groping and fondling . Accusation by a young woman of being raped at a party several years ago

when she was only 13 . Judge found sufficient evidence to investigate him , but the victim withdrew the charges when she received death threats .

11. Easily got out of military service in Vietnam because his rich, powerful and influential father was able to get him several deferments .

12 . Rejected by the prestigious Wharton school of economics of the University of Pennsylvania because his grades were too low , but father got him admitted by a large donation . Mediocre student there anyway .

13 . Mocking a disabled New York Times reporter for his appearance .

14. Disrespecting the Pakistani born parents of a heroic US soldier killed in Iraq when he saved the lives of fellow soldiers .

And this is only the tip of the iceberg !


Source please.

tude dog;1507610 wrote: Source please.




1. Here.

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Why did you want them?

Just asking for sources doesn't really take the conversation forward.

He was voted in, in spite of all that. Heck I voted for him knowing all that . Heck if Andrew Jackson can get away with being our president, let alone allowed on our money why not trump

I also find it funny that I'm a minority woman I should have voted Hillary for solidarity but SCREW that crap also taxation is theft so I could care less if he ever releases his taxes Hillary called Mexican tacos Benghazi being so arrogant thinking she was going to win she had fire works prepared lied straight to my mommas face in a church and its adorable everyone is freaking out when we have people like mccain still in government yelling like a mad man! I'm more worried about the people voted into congress than trump

spot;1507612 wrote: 1. Here.

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Why did you want them?

Just asking for sources doesn't really take the conversation forward.


My bad.

What I wanted to know was "who compiled the list?" Not something i think a typical poster would spend the time to create.

I don't understand the purpose of that post. Converse about what? The guy a douche bag?

Duh

tude dog;1507617 wrote: My bad.

What I wanted to know was "who compiled the list?" Not something i think a typical poster would spend the time to create.

And no, there were no sources, just claims.


They're not claims, they're events. Get a grip on reality. They're not alternative facts, they're what happened. Pick one you dispute and I'll go into it in more detail if you like. You can't just stop at "there were no sources, just claims" without demonstrating the truth of what you say, least of all when someone's put facts in front of you already. Which of those facts are actually false claims, from what you know? Pick one which you believe to be a lie and we'll dig deeper. That's constructive, that can lead to agreement.

If there's one thing that's utterly pointless it's an opinion which all the evidence provided shows to be blatantly unsustainable. Bring in more evidence, or change your opinion to fit the truth. Holding onto a false opinion is a deliberate blinkered divorce from the real world.

Superhorn compiled the list. You can check that easily, as I did, by googling his lines and finding no matches.

Omni_Skittles;1507615 wrote: I also find it funny that I'm a minority woman I should have voted Hillary for solidarity but SCREW that crap also taxation is theft so I could care less if he ever releases his taxes Hillary called Mexican tacos Benghazi being so arrogant thinking she was going to win she had fire works prepared lied straight to my mommas face in a church and its adorable everyone is freaking out when we have people like mccain still in government yelling like a mad man! I'm more worried about the people voted into congress than trump


Some of us here have been consistently in favor of a Trump presidency for well over a year, long before the Primaries. If Congress Republicans would just stop whining and get behind their man in the White House, there's no telling how far they might go.

Everything I said here can easily be googled . None f this is made up .

spot;1507619 wrote: Some of us here have been consistently in favor of a Trump presidency for well over a year,


Some, like in more than one? Name me #1. I am a little slow in that.

spot;1507619 wrote: . If Congress Republicans would just stop whining and get behind their man in the White House, there's no telling how far they might go.:-3

Tell us about it.

spot;1507618 wrote: They're not claims, they're events. Get a grip on reality. They're not alternative facts, they're what happened. Pick one you dispute and I'll go into it in more detail if you like. You can't just stop at "there were no sources, just claims" without demonstrating the truth of what you say, least of all when someone's put facts in front of you already. Which of those facts are actually false claims, from what you know? Pick one which you believe to be a lie and we'll dig deeper. That's constructive, that can lead to agreement.


Actually, I already know most of all those stories, and more not flattering to the Trumphole.

spot;1507618 wrote: If there's one thing that's utterly pointless it's an opinion which all the evidence provided shows to be blatantly unsustainable. Bring in more evidence, or change your opinion to fit the truth. Holding onto a false opinion is a deliberate blinkered divorce from the real world.

Superhorn compiled the list. You can check that easily, as I did, by googling his lines and finding no matches.


Gee, I never disputed anything. I was just amazed you spent so much effort to compile that list.

superhorn;1507620 wrote: Everything I said here can easily be googled . None f this is made up .


Oh, I believe that. I guess I just wondered why?

Maybe it is just because you missed that irked me the most.

tude dog;1507623 wrote: Gee, I never disputed anything. I was just amazed you spent so much effort to compile that list.


Effort? What it takes is a text editor with a Replace All function to paste in the google search hyperlink open and close commands around the original numbered points, and then trimming any long lines down to a dozen words with the delete key. I doubt if it took as much as two minutes.

What you wrote was "there were no sources, just claims". I'd call that disputing what you now accept was factual.

tude dog;1507622 wrote: [QUOTE=spot;1507619]Some of us here have been consistently in favor of a Trump presidency for well over a year,


Some, like in more than one? Name me #1. I am a little slow in that.




How about Ahso and me, to name two.

It is "in favour" .........reed it and weep.

Bruv;1507631 wrote: It is "in favour" .........reed it and weep.


I change spellings depending on whether I'm addressing an American or someone who speaks English.

Donald (In Your Face) Trump! He may be a bombastic imbecile, but he's our bombastic imbecile (so far). He might be the straw that breaks America's back, but I'd rather that happen than continue bombing the rest of the world out of their cultural past and into the 21st century - which is what a global economy appears to demand.

I'm all for finding a way for everyone to be equal and free, but there's got to be a better, more respectful way of getting there.

spot;1507632 wrote: I change spellings depending on whether I'm addressing an American or someone who speaks English.That made me laugh.

Ahso!;1507635 wrote: That made me laugh.


He is a laugh a minute.

Foreign countries such as China appear to have his number: expect the behaviour of a thoroughly nasty spoiled 5 year old.

I see Tom "Only people who have committed a crime ask for immunity from prosecution" Flynn is now asking for immunity from prosecution and saying if given it he will testify. I didn't know witnesses could choose to attend and tell the truth or not in the US. Does a Congressional committee count as a law court? Could he lie and not be held to account?

So it really does seem more likely that Trumpists have elected a Russian agent as President. I expect they will not believe it and will continue to support him regardless.

Clodhopper;1507951 wrote: Foreign countries such as China appear to have his number: expect the behaviour of a thoroughly nasty spoiled 5 year old.

I see Tom "Only people who have committed a crime ask for immunity from prosecution" Flynn is now asking for immunity from prosecution and saying if given it he will testify. I didn't know witnesses could choose to attend and tell the truth or not in the US. Does a Congressional committee count as a law court? Could he lie and not be held to account?

So it really does seem more likely that Trumpists have elected a Russian agent as President. I expect they will not believe it and will continue to support him regardless.


Isn't that what the 5th Amendment is all about? Personally I reckon that anyone who opts to invoke their rights under the 5th Amendment "As the answer may prove to be self incriminating" in so doing has already incriminated themselves as they have just admitted that they have done something illegal that they could be incriminated for.

FourPart;1508133 wrote: Isn't that what the 5th Amendment is all about? Personally I reckon that anyone who opts to invoke their rights under the 5th Amendment "As the answer may prove to be self incriminating" in so doing has already incriminated themselves as they have just admitted that they have done something illegal that they could be incriminated for.


Dunno. I'm lost at this point. There are probably all sorts of procedures that apply in these situations I know nothing about.