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We all know of the Texas High School Student Arrested After Homemade Clock Mistaken For Bomb fiasco.

For those of you who had harsh comments about Texas, whatta ya think of the socialist paradise to the north?

Student suspended after posting Facebook pic with gun

Brysen Evans is a grade 10 student at Cathedral High School in Hamilton. Last Friday, Brysen’s mother got a call from the school telling her to keep her son home. The reason – someone had notified school officials about a picture Brysen had posted on Facebook.



The problem however is the pictures were taken with members of the Canadian Armed Forces who were at Brysen’s school, for career day. “The army came to his career class and the end of September he posted pictures on his Facebook and then I get a message saying he can’t come to school because there was guns and stuff on it.


CHCH

Gotta love it. The all-encompassing government.

Couldn't be just the school being run by idiots, could it?

I am pretty sure that was the problem in Texas.

You make me laugh Dawg, a full belly laugh, you really do.

LarsMac;1488326 wrote: Couldn't be just the school being run by idiots, could it?

I am pretty sure that was the problem in Texas.


Works for me.

Our good friend & ally to the north is not claiming to be a socialist paradise, except they have universal health care. The Canadians are actually quite conservative in numerous ways. My husband was Canadian, I speak to his family often. As usual, you are barking about something you know little or nothing about. Why couldn't you print this thread without the extraneous obnoxious comment?

AnneBoleyn;1488352 wrote: Our good friend & ally to the north is not claiming to be a socialist paradise, except they have universal health care. The Canadians are actually quite conservative in numerous ways. My husband was Canadian, I speak to his family often. As usual, you are barking about something you know little or nothing about. Why couldn't you print this thread without the extraneous obnoxious comment?


Got your attention, did it not?

No less than your gratuitous swipes at the Great State of Texas.

tude dog;1488353 wrote: Got your attention, did it not?




You want my attention. How sweet.

How did the government come into the opening post?

spot;1488366 wrote: How did the government come into the opening post?


Sneakily .........................

G#Gill;1488370 wrote: Sneakily .........................It was a serious question. In what way did the government have any knowledge of, or input into, the decision to suspend the student.

The school is obviously staffed by at least one utter incompetent with powers to suspend. Is that a government issue?

The government may, of course, be blamed for allowing the armed forces access to school grounds for what can only have been recruitment and publicity purposes, but that seems not to be the opening poster's complaint. It would, were I asked, be mine.

As far as I know the government don't seem to have anything to do with this, from what I have read about it. I could be wrong about that though. I would have thought that tude dog would know the answer to that !

spot;1488376 wrote: It was a serious question. In what way did the government have any knowledge of, or input into, the decision to suspend the student.

The school is obviously staffed by at least one utter incompetent with powers to suspend. Is that a government issue?

The government may, of course, be blamed for allowing the armed forces access to school grounds for what can only have been recruitment and publicity purposes, but that seems not to be the opening poster's complaint. It would, were I asked, be mine.


Not a lot different than your post:

American escapes from police state

Really? Police State? Escape?

I'm sure Ahmed Mohamed stands a far better chance of reaching adulthood unscathed, unarrested and without a criminal record in Qatar than he did in Texas.


A local school matter and you bring Qatar into this unfortunate local incident.

You did that for the same reason I posted the way I did.

tude dog;1488378 wrote: A local school matter and you bring Qatar into this unfortunate local incident.

You did that for the same reason I posted the way I did.


Well, no, I did it because that's how far he's moved home in order to get himself to safety.

In what way did the government have any knowledge of, or input into, the decision to suspend this student who got suspended by an incompetent school administrator?

spot;1488379 wrote: Well, no, I did it because that's how far he's moved home in order to get himself to safety.


Safe from what?

He lived in Dallas, Texas, not Obama's home town Chicago, IL.

tude dog;1488407 wrote: Safe from what?

He lived in Dallas, Texas, not Obama's home town Chicago, IL.After being thrust into the public eye, he would have been the target for every racist cop within a spitting distance. Staying out of their jurisdiction is more than just common sense, it's the only option. Qatar is a human-rights paradise compared with where he lived, for a non-white Muslim teenager.

spot;1488418 wrote: After being thrust into the public eye, he would have been the target for every racist cop within a spitting distance. Staying out of their jurisdiction is more than just common sense, it's the only option. Qatar is a human-rights paradise compared with where he lived, for a non-white Muslim teenager.


There's something in what you say there. Also, let's not forget about the black chap that has served many years in jail for a murder he hasn't committed- the real culprit was convicted of this and jailed, but the innocent black chap is still languishing in prison. This story was on the news here in the UK about 3-4 days ago. What a blatant travesty of justice. America, land of the free? I would say land of the paranoid government and the warped judiciary!

Mind you, we've got no cause to jeer; our 'justice system' isn't what it used to be- if CPS cock something up, there's no comeback; you can't sue anyone, and you're unlikely to be compensated, as long as CPS haven't broken any 'rules'. And as for our 'government'- is this particular one the most evil rat-pack of back-door, genocidal, cutthroat-minded swindlers ever?

spot;1488418 wrote: After being thrust into the public eye, he would have been the target for every racist cop within a spitting distance. Staying out of their jurisdiction is more than just common sense, it's the only option. Qatar is a human-rights paradise compared with where he lived, for a non-white Muslim teenager.


Oh stop it, you are making my eyes bleed.

Human rights in Qatar

tude dog;1488464 wrote: Oh stop it, you are making my eyes bleed.

Human rights in Qatar

It's not like the kid is black, spot. Arab types are not highly represented in our prison 'community' like black Americans are. You're confused.

It was a comment on human rights, not ethnicity.

America also has the "3 strikes & you're out" rule which I don't agree with. Surely it's counter productive, as once someone already has a record as a repeat offender, then once it comes to committing the 3rd, the perpretrator can take the opinion of having nothing else to lose - in for a penny... These accumulated 'life sentences' must surely add to the US prison population?

spot;1488493 wrote: It was a comment on human rights, not ethnicity.


The high prison rate you pointed out is to contain criminals who go about depriving regular folk of their rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. .

FourPart;1488510 wrote: America also has the "3 strikes & you're out" rule which I don't agree with.


That is not a national law. It is a state by state thing.

Enactment by states

New York has employed a habitual felon statute since 1797.[11]

Texas has had a three-strikes with mandatory life sentence since at least 1952.[12]

In Rummel v. Estelle (1980), the Supreme Court upheld Texas' statute, which arose from a case involving a refusal to repay $120.75 paid for air conditioning repair that was, depending on the source cited, either considered unsatisfactory[13] or not performed at all,[14] where the defendant had been convicted of two prior felony convictions, and where the total amount involved from all three felonies was around $230.[15][16])

In 1993: Washington

In 1994: California,[17] Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, New Mexico, North Carolina, Virginia, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Tennessee, and Georgia[18]

In 1995: Arkansas, Florida, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont [19]

In 2006: Arizona

In 2012: Massachusetts[20]


Wikipedia

FourPart;1488510 wrote: Surely it's counter productive, as once someone already has a record as a repeat offender, then once it comes to committing the 3rd, the perpretrator can take the opinion of having nothing else to lose - in for a penny...


He always has to choice not to commit another felony.

FourPart;1488510 wrote: These accumulated 'life sentences' must surely add to the US prison population?


Prison population goes up and crime comes down.

I'll take it.

AnneBoleyn;1488475 wrote: It's not like the kid is black, spot. Arab types are not highly represented in our prison 'community' like black Americans are. You're confused.


Whatever that means :-2

tude dog;1488527 wrote: The high prison rate you pointed out is to contain criminals who go about depriving regular folk of their rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.And yet, for a civilized country, do you not find it embarrassing that you have such a large number of criminal residents? What on earth have you done to them, that they should be that way? It would please me if you could manage to treat this as a serious question, I see it as a serious matter.

tude dog;1488528 wrote: Prison population goes up and crime comes down.

I'll take it.
You reckon?

spot;1488530 wrote: And yet, for a civilized country, do you not find it embarrassing that you have such a large number of criminal residents?
Embarrassed?

No.

spot;1488530 wrote: What on earth have you done to them, that they should be that way?


Oh, the "society made me do it" mantra.

spot;1488530 wrote: It would please me if you could manage to treat this as a serious question, I see it as a serious matter.


Oh please, for me crime is a most serious subject. Most of my lifetime efforts have been how to avoid those who do bad things.

I don't wanna get too deep into this but far as I am concerned there is no way to make any dramatic change.

We have to somehow convince people to teach their children good morals and ethics. Not just by lecture, but example.

But the issue is a comparative one. That's the point of the bar-chart I put up. Why would the USA, of all places, have such an abysmally bad crime rate when compared with other countries? It's nothing to do with "society made me do it", it's all to do with why these people are criminals in the USA when their social peers in other countries are law-abiding. What has happened to them? Where does the difference lie?

spot;1488545 wrote: But the issue is a comparative one. That's the point of the bar-chart I put up. Why would the USA, of all places, have such an abysmally bad crime rate when compared with other countries? It's nothing to do with "society made me do it", it's all to do with why these people are criminals in the USA when their social peers in other countries are law-abiding. What has happened to them?


Or does America prefer jailing people, as opposed to educating, treating or rehabilitating? The US law courts do seem to dish out some petty hefty punishments for relatively minor crimes....

Smaug;1488546 wrote: Or does America prefer jailing people, as opposed to educating, treating or rehabilitating? The US law courts do seem to dish out some petty hefty punishments for relatively minor crimes....
Don't look at me, I don't live there - I'm asking in order to learn, I'm not offering answers.

I note, however, that there are no minor crimes. There's crime and there's law-abiding. That's not a comment on the USA, that's a comment on the nature of crime.

spot;1488547 wrote: Don't look at me, I don't live there - I'm asking in order to learn, I'm not offering answers.

There are no minor crimes.


Same as. I merely posed a question. I remember seeing ( a few years back) a TV programme that followed the day-to-day activities of police officers in various states. One segment of the programme showed a young lad in his early twenties who had too much to drink, and had climbed a tree. The police turned up and ordered him down. They told him 2 or 3 times, then an officer forcibly removed him from the tree and told him "you're goin' to jail, buddy!" ...... For being drunk up a tree???

If he did end up in jail, I would say that was OTT, in all honesty.

spot;1488545 wrote: But the issue is a comparative one. That's the point of the bar-chart I put up. Why would the USA, of all places, have such an abysmally bad crime rate when compared with other countries?


Guess we're just lucky.

spot;1488545 wrote: It's nothing to do with "society made me do it",


[QUOTE=spot;1488545]What on earth have you done to them, that they should be that way?


spot;1488545 wrote: it's all to do with why these people are criminals in the USA when their social peers in other countries are law-abiding. What has happened to them? Where does the difference lie?


I have no idea what that means, and I don't care.

The system is revenue raising targeting the least able, even the jails work as businesses.

I saw some sort of advocate explaining how once caught with a fine you are unable to pay, the system chases and escalates the problem until such time you end being locked up.

Revenue raising

Bruv;1488556 wrote: The system is revenue raising targeting the least able, even the jails work as businesses.

I saw some sort of advocate explaining how once caught with a fine you are unable to pay, the system chases and escalates the problem until such time you end being locked up.

Revenue raising


What a fair and wonderful system.....Not!

Smaug;1488546 wrote: Or does America prefer jailing people, as opposed to educating,


I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.

Smaug;1488546 wrote: treating or rehabilitating?


If it were all that simple.

Smaug;1488546 wrote: The US law courts do seem to dish out some petty hefty punishments for relatively minor crimes....


It is the legislature which writes the laws courts are supposed to follow. What punishments should be given is a big topic in itself.

"Successful" criminals don't get imprisoned...............they run companies and contries.

tude dog;1488559 wrote: I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.



If it were all that simple.



It is the legislature which writes the laws courts are supposed to follow. What punishments should be given is a big topic in itself.


I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.

There are plenty of 'ordinary Joes' in jail -far more than the really well educated, at a guess. To be well educated implies a fair degree of intelligence, and I would imagine that intelligent criminals are harder to catch....

If it were all that simple.

Why don't the authorities try it, or would that cut down the profit margin by depriving the US of all that cheap labour?

It is the legislature which writes the laws courts are supposed to follow.

So that makes it alright, then? Yes it is a big topic, and it needs addressing! It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish....

spot;1488545 wrote: But the issue is a comparative one. That's the point of the bar-chart I put up. Why would the USA, of all places, have such an abysmally bad crime rate when compared with other countries? It's nothing to do with "society made me do it", it's all to do with why these people are criminals in the USA when their social peers in other countries are law-abiding. What has happened to them? Where does the difference lie?GMC often points to the pilgrims and the type of people they were, I assume to suggest a genetic link. That's how I interpret his posts on the subject. A suggestion worth considering, which I often do.

There's no question in my mind that there appears to be a large number of sociopaths/psychopaths living in America. Is it taught or a consequence of our education system? Is it genetic? Is it an evolved hunter/gatherer mindset?

I imagine these and possibly more conditions have some to do with what we see here. The systems; political, educational, law enforcement, Judicial - appear to have all become very immersed in this psychopathic mindset.

I personally believe religion plays a huge role, but the question of: what is it in the brains of Americans that cause us to get so hung up on right and wrong to the degree of being so intolerant of even the smallest offences and continue to make everything we do a crime? And then we come to the conclusion that everyone carrying guns will solve our problems.

Completely insane.

tude dog;1488559 wrote: I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.Which is why you're not a criminal?

Ahso!;1488566 wrote: Which is why you're not a criminal?


Too smart for that.

Among things I have an aversion to are being arrested, standing trial, paying lawyers, paying fines and incarceration.

tude dog;1488605 wrote: Among things I have an aversion to are being arrested, standing trial, paying lawyers, paying fines and incarceration.


Most of those in US jails would say just the same, of course.

spot;1488608 wrote: Most of those in US jails would say just the same, of course.


I have a problem with what you just posted.

It would be nice if it was in the context of the conversation not to mention misquoting me.

post #35 I wrote



Quote Originally Posted by Smaug View Post

Or does America prefer jailing people, as opposed to educating,

I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.


My answer

I am willing to bet that the most successful criminals are well educated.


post 39 Ahso! comments

Which is why you're not a criminal?


Then I answer,

Too smart for that.

Among things I have an aversion to are being arrested, standing trial, paying lawyers, paying fines and incarceration.


To that, you deliberately misquoted so to misrepresent what I was saying.

Fact, people in prison have no choice. Aversion suggests a choice.

It is obvious that folk had no aversion to prison.

They engage in the very things which sent them there.

aversion

tude dog;1488640 wrote: Aversion suggests a choice.
No it doesn't. Not even slightly. It means that a person's averse to something. An averted state of mind or feelings; a mental attitude of opposition or repugnance; a fixed, habitual dislike; an antipathy. Nothing at all to do with choice.

spot;1488641 wrote: No it doesn't. Not even slightly. It means that a person's averse to something. An averted state of mind or feelings; a mental attitude of opposition or repugnance; a fixed, habitual dislike; an antipathy. Nothing at all to do with choice.


I demur.

They chose to do things which got them arrested so to stand trial. Somebody paid for lawyers Who knows if any fines are paid, but the fact is they are incarcerated.

Too late to avert. They ended up in the path they choose.

tude dog;1488643 wrote: I demur.

They chose to do things which got them arrested so to stand trail. Somebody paid for lawyers Who knows if any fines are paid, but the fact is they are incarcerated.

Too late to avert. They ended up in the path they choose.


And it is funny that those who "choose" such a course also have a disposition to darker skin tones ?

spot;1488608 wrote: Most of those in US jails would say just the same, of course.


While there are some wrongly accused; while there are those over-sentenced; there also are some vicious bastards in US, spot, not just most politicians. There's a bunch of *****ed up folks out there. I blame drinking, drugging that led to bad or cruel parenting.

AnneBoleyn;1488652 wrote: While there are some wrongly accused; while there are those over-sentenced; there also are some vicious bastards in US, spot, not just most politicians. There's a bunch of *****ed up folks out there. I blame drinking, drugging that led to bad or cruel parenting.
So why is, for example, Canada less affected? What aspect of US culture has led to the difference?

Bruv;1488648 wrote: And it is funny that those who "choose" such a course also have a disposition to darker skin tones ?


I don't see the humor there at all.

tude dog;1488664 wrote: I don't see the humor there at all.


You are not alone.

spot;1488657 wrote: So why is, for example, Canada less affected? What aspect of US culture has led to the difference?


You want that answer to be 24 words or less?