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this beleagered group of sex offenders sued to prevent their DNA being taken........i wonder what their legal strategy meetings were like---and how they managed to find each other to form a class action. public restrooms perhaps?



Court Upholds State's Sex Offender Registry, DNA Test







POSTED: 9:09 am EDT June 7, 2005





TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Two Florida laws requiring sex offenders to register their addresses with the state and to submit DNA samples for a state database don't violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court has ruled.



Sex offenders suing as a group challenged the laws as violations of five federal constitutional rights, but a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta disagreed in a 27-page opinion issued Monday.



The law requiring sex offenders to register with law enforcement -- which puts their pictures and addresses on a public Web site -- was enacted after the 1994 slaying of Megan Kanka. The kidnap, rape and murder of the 7-year-old New Jersey girl by a convicted sex offender spurred the creation of similar laws nationwide.





Writing for the unanimous three-judge panel, Judge Stanley F. Birch Jr. concluded the requirement was "rationally related to a legitimate government interest."



"It has long been in the interest of government to protect its citizens from criminal activity, and we find no exceptional circumstances in this case to invalidate the law," Birch wrote.



Lawmakers also have a valid reason for keeping better track of sex offenders than other criminals because of their increased likelihood of committing more crimes, he said.



"The increased reporting requirements based on evidence of increased recidivism among a class of felons is rationally related to the state's interest in protecting its citizens from criminal activity," Birch wrote.



The DNA collection law requires samples from people convicted of a variety of sex crimes as well as non-sex crimes including any offenses using firearms, along with murder, burglary, carjacking and elderly abuse.



DNA databases are used in a number of states, which compare genetic material collected at new crime scenes to those on file from criminals required to give samples. Just last week, a man in California was charged in a 12-year-old murder and rape after police linked the crime to his DNA in a statewide felon database established by voter initiative last year.



In Monday's appeals court decision, the judges upheld U.S. District Judge Daniel Hurley's dismissal of a lawsuit filed on behalf of sex offenders suing anonymously under the name John Doe.



Calls for comment to attorneys on both sides Tuesday were not immediately returned.



The state's defense of the laws was argued by lawyers in the office of Attorney General Charlie Crist, who coincidentally was in Washington Tuesday to testify before the a U.S. House Judiciary subcommittee about Florida's efforts to reduce sex crimes against children.



On The Net: 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals

lady cop wrote: ---and how they managed to find each other to form a class action. public restrooms perhaps?Perhaps they have Internet access, Lady. I believe there's places on the web that list their names and addresses. I can't imagine that filing an action prevented them from appearing in the lists before the appeals were exhausted.

i was being sarcastic Spot.

lady cop wrote: i was being sarcastic Spot. You don't feel some things are too important to make a joke about, then?

uh, Spot, go look at crimes and trials and AMBER alert forums, and tell me i don't take crime seriously. that's my entire purpose here. and sarcasm is not born of joking. it's born of my hostility towards these bastards.

I was drawing attention to the incongruity of the person spreading the URL to the lists being the same person who asked how they found each other to bring the class action. I'm not sure whether that qualifies as sarcasm or not, I'm unfamiliar with its use.

spot wrote: I was drawing attention to the incongruity of the person spreading the URL to the lists being the same person who asked how they found each other to bring the class action. I'm not sure whether that qualifies as sarcasm or not, I'm unfamiliar with its use.


heehee. okay, that's kind of funny.

Made me giggle too

Gee WIZZ LC................. You are lucky you are not in the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

You would be really offended if so...............

It always amazes me that whenever new technology and new laws attempt to make the place a safer and cleaner one to live in, there always seem to be some pressure group or human rights lawyer who wants to allow criminals to carry on as previously.

lady cop wrote: this beleagered group of sex offenders sued to prevent their DNA being taken........i wonder what their legal strategy meetings were like---and how they managed to find each other to form a class action. public restrooms perhaps?



Court Upholds State's Sex Offender Registry, DNA Test







POSTED: 9:09 am EDT June 7, 2005





TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Two Florida laws requiring sex offenders to register their addresses with the state and to submit DNA samples for a state database don't violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court has ruled.



Sex offenders suing as a group challenged the laws as violations of five federal constitutional rights, but a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta disagreed in a 27-page opinion issued Monday.



The law requiring sex offenders to register with law enforcement -- which puts their pictures and addresses on a public Web site -- was enacted after the 1994 slaying of Megan Kanka. The kidnap, rape and murder of the 7-year-old New Jersey girl by a convicted sex offender spurred the creation of similar laws nationwide.





Writing for the unanimous three-judge panel, Judge Stanley F. Birch Jr. concluded the requirement was "rationally related to a legitimate government interest."



"It has long been in the interest of government to protect its citizens from criminal activity, and we find no exceptional circumstances in this case to invalidate the law," Birch wrote.



Lawmakers also have a valid reason for keeping better track of sex offenders than other criminals because of their increased likelihood of committing more crimes, he said.



"The increased reporting requirements based on evidence of increased recidivism among a class of felons is rationally related to the state's interest in protecting its citizens from criminal activity," Birch wrote.



The DNA collection law requires samples from people convicted of a variety of sex crimes as well as non-sex crimes including any offenses using firearms, along with murder, burglary, carjacking and elderly abuse.



DNA databases are used in a number of states, which compare genetic material collected at new crime scenes to those on file from criminals required to give samples. Just last week, a man in California was charged in a 12-year-old murder and rape after police linked the crime to his DNA in a statewide felon database established by voter initiative last year.



In Monday's appeals court decision, the judges upheld U.S. District Judge Daniel Hurley's dismissal of a lawsuit filed on behalf of sex offenders suing anonymously under the name John Doe.



Calls for comment to attorneys on both sides Tuesday were not immediately returned.



The state's defense of the laws was argued by lawyers in the office of Attorney General Charlie Crist, who coincidentally was in Washington Tuesday to testify before the a U.S. House Judiciary subcommittee about Florida's efforts to reduce sex crimes against children.



On The Net: 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals








I gotta say, there is on man I know that is on the list of offenders and it really was a false claim. He did time for it. He paid a lot of money to lawyers too and finally just gave up and went to prison. Its a bit long but his step daughter got involved with a man who was mysterious. Maybe on witness protection. He had two kids from two seperate marriages. He got money for each of them. This guys step daughter was young but she had a daughter. The man she got in with was in the externiator business and knows chemicals. The daughter had a stroke at a young age. Possible. Yes with birth control pills. but my friend figured he tried to kill her with chemicals. So just after that this guy had his kids say that my frind abused them. But he had his step daughter right there and her daughter and they said he had never did anything toward them. Just the two kids of that guys. I knew my friend and worked with him many years on road trips etc and he would on occasion flirt with a waitress if she was about eighteen or twenty. But one came on to him and he backed away. I asked why and he said she was too young for him.

but he had worked hard and saved a lot of money and he was giving it all away to a lawyer. HIs lawyer told him they would get an expert witness like a shrink to testify he was not the sort to do that. But the court would not allow that. So he just gave up and got six years. But he is on the list.

I heard that if they catch you pissing in a public place like a bar parking lot they can arrest you for public display or something. Lewd conduct? I dont know many guys who have not done that sometimes. But no one would say that is a pervert act. Just a call to nature.

I am not trying to excuse any sicko that would abuse a child. Ar an adult woman either for that matter. I cannot stand a man who would hit a woman. I have seen womne start the hitting too and most men will just defend themselves or walk away. Some will hit back. but I know there are those who hit women a lot. I just cannot stand them.

hahahahahahahahaha....well i've heard it all now. BAWAHHHHHH!!

lady cop wrote: hahahahahahahahaha....well i've heard it all now. BAWAHHHHHH!!


No you havent.