Bruv;1464312 wrote: Thursday 18th
Good. The suspense is killing me!
This is getting silly
This is getting silly
Saint_;1464314 wrote: Good. The suspense is killing me!
It's OK........I don't think the US has any interest in this particular regime change.
It's OK........I don't think the US has any interest in this particular regime change.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
This is getting silly
Bruv;1464319 wrote: It's OK........I don't think the US has any interest in this particular regime change.
Are you kidding? You can bet on anything in Las Vegas!
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
Are you kidding? You can bet on anything in Las Vegas!
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
This is getting silly
Saint_;1464320 wrote: Are you kidding? You can bet on anything in Las Vegas!
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
No.......but gmc will be along soon.
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
No.......but gmc will be along soon.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
This is getting silly
Pros.
Salmond reckons that North Sea Oil will make Scotland Rich!! Rich!! Rich!!
Scotland will still be able to use Pounds Sterling.
Scotland will benefit from the independent control of all the shipyards.
The people of Scotland will all benefit from the riches of the country. Free Health, Benefits, Education etc.
Salmond has said that if they don't get Sterling, then they won't pay their share of the National Debt.
Cons.
Most of the Oil is owned by English & Foreign investors.
The Oil is expected to run out in about 30 years - 40 tops.
The Exchequer has already told Salmond that they WON'T be able to use the Pound Sterling (all right, now he's saying that they might be able to).
The shipyards & all the related employment are likely to move back to the UK - along with all the Military Bases.
Once what they do have of North Sea Oil has run out, how do they expect to finance everything? No mention has been made of taxation.
Starting a country by welching on their debts is going to great guns for their Credit Rating.
With the Currency as yet being an unknown factor, no-one knows what unit of currency anyone will be trading in.
As a new country they probably won't be automatically entitled to EU Membership without the routine minimum application period (5 years I think), so they won't be able to use the Euro.
If everything goes down the pan, who are they going to call on to bail them out? Not the UK (all right, they probably would, and we probably would).
What would happen to the Red, White & Blue of the Union Flag without the Blue? And that doesn't just affect us. It affects every other country that includes the Union Flag in their National Flag - Australia... New Zealand... even Hawaii.
And what of the Crown? Would the Queen remain as Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?
Would the borders be closed, requiring a passport?
Would they have the same Open Door policy we currently have with the rest of Europe?
All these, as yet, seem to be unanswered questions. King Salmond seems to be basing everything on Oil, Oil, Oil, for ever & ever, Amen.
Salmond reckons that North Sea Oil will make Scotland Rich!! Rich!! Rich!!
Scotland will still be able to use Pounds Sterling.
Scotland will benefit from the independent control of all the shipyards.
The people of Scotland will all benefit from the riches of the country. Free Health, Benefits, Education etc.
Salmond has said that if they don't get Sterling, then they won't pay their share of the National Debt.
Cons.
Most of the Oil is owned by English & Foreign investors.
The Oil is expected to run out in about 30 years - 40 tops.
The Exchequer has already told Salmond that they WON'T be able to use the Pound Sterling (all right, now he's saying that they might be able to).
The shipyards & all the related employment are likely to move back to the UK - along with all the Military Bases.
Once what they do have of North Sea Oil has run out, how do they expect to finance everything? No mention has been made of taxation.
Starting a country by welching on their debts is going to great guns for their Credit Rating.
With the Currency as yet being an unknown factor, no-one knows what unit of currency anyone will be trading in.
As a new country they probably won't be automatically entitled to EU Membership without the routine minimum application period (5 years I think), so they won't be able to use the Euro.
If everything goes down the pan, who are they going to call on to bail them out? Not the UK (all right, they probably would, and we probably would).
What would happen to the Red, White & Blue of the Union Flag without the Blue? And that doesn't just affect us. It affects every other country that includes the Union Flag in their National Flag - Australia... New Zealand... even Hawaii.
And what of the Crown? Would the Queen remain as Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?
Would the borders be closed, requiring a passport?
Would they have the same Open Door policy we currently have with the rest of Europe?
All these, as yet, seem to be unanswered questions. King Salmond seems to be basing everything on Oil, Oil, Oil, for ever & ever, Amen.
This is getting silly
Bruv;1464319 wrote: It's OK........I don't think the US has any interest in this particular regime change.
You think?
Barack Obama on Scottish independence vote: US wants UK to remain united – video | Politics | The Guardian
Scottish Independence: Obama White House Repeats Preference For 'No' Vote
However with the vote just days away and the polls too close to call, Earnest said the White House did not want to be seen to be "improperly interfering" in the internal-affairs of the UK.
Earnest also acknowledged that the US government had been planning for the dissolution of its closet ally. “I suspect that there’s somebody at the administration who’s been thinking about that at some level,†he said. "I don’t know to what level it has risen. It hasn't risen to my level, or maybe it hasn't sunk to my level."
What would happen to the UK's seat on the security council for instance.
Posted by saint
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
Not really but one thing you do need to understand is that scotland is not a region of england but a separate nation state that was bribed in to a union with england back in 1707. Our culture is different, our legal and education are seperate and different we even have a different religion.
Home rule has been on the cards several times in the past, there was a home rule bill in the pipeline in 1914 that rather went by the wayside. By the way in ww1 scotland lost one in seven of it's male population disproportionate is not an adequate word for it.
Scotland pays more in to the exchaquer than we get back. If you want to bore yourself silly do some research. For the past we have been ruled by a westminster government that increasingly has alienated the scottish population. In 1979 1/3rd of the elected scottish mp's were tory, in 1987 it dropped to ten by 1997 it was zero, currntly there is one. We have policoes imposed on us that we didn't vote for and don't want. The poll tax was imposed on scotland a year before it was in england where the resulting riots led to the downfall of thatcher.
Without north sea oil the UK was bankrupt, the windfall was squandered and the UK would still be bankrupt without oil revenues. There are still vast rererves and new fields to exploited on the west coast and in the firth of clyde. Since they are in scotlands waters they belong to us.
Posted by four part
Most of the Oil is owned by English & Foreign investors.
No it belongs to the nation state in whose waters it lies who give licences to the oil companies which is why american oil companies get their government to overthrow governments who show signs of thinking the monies gained should be used for their people.
Being of a socialist bent it is possible the scots might elect in the future a government that thinks that way as well. BP and their ilk prefer a supine tory or labour government.
We are actually a nation rich in natural resources as well as being one of the nations that can claim to have made many of the important innovations of the last three hundred years. From railways, radar, antiseptics, anaesthetics the list is rather long. The oil industry started in scotland, of your american presidents eleven of the first thrteen were of scots descent, I could go on and on, quite frankly the suggestion we don't have what it takes to run our own country is ludicrous.
Pros, in summary. We are already a nation state although part of a union. We are wealthy and capable but hidebound and taken advantage of by a westminster elite that only has its own interests at heart. It's not anti-english although the papers like to portray it as such. my wife is english and she is voting yes, my english neighbour is voting yes (lot of ex forces guys stay up here after being based here during their careers). The only reason there will be any acrimony if we vite yes if the said westminster elite decide to make life as difficult as possible. there is no need or reason to have boerder checks and the like or to cease trading exceot out of spite.
If we don't vote yes then things go ion as before with an increasingly right wing nationalistic (oh the irony) tory or ukip givernment taking us out of the eu with devastating consequences for our economy.
Cons:? I find it increasingly hard to think of any. The more I listen to the no campaign the more I lean to voting yes.
Cameron refused to allow a third question on the referendum asking whether we would prefer what they called. devo max.
29 January 2012 09:29
No Devo-Max says Cameron - even if Scots vote for it
UK Prime Minister David Cameron has flatly ruled out any extension to tax raising powers for Scotland beyond the proposals contained in the Scotland Bill which is currently going through the Westminster Parliament.
The Prime Minister also refuses to consider devolving any part of the benefits system to Holyrood, according to reports in today's Scotland on Sunday.
According to the newspaper, a spokesperson for the Conservative Prime Minister has described additional powers for the Scottish Parliament as "inconsistent" with remaining a part of the United Kingdom.
Does he really expecrt us to trust any pledges he makes? Trust me I'm a tory just doesn't work any more.
posted by four part
Once what they do have of North Sea Oil has run out, how do they expect to finance everything? No mention has been made of taxation.
We can shift for ourselves and develop our economy, won't get that from the union.
Starting a country by welching on their debts is going to great guns for their Credit Rating.
What debt, if the rest of the uk won't let us accept a share of the UK debt we will be debt free. Besides credit rating is based on the wealth, resources and potential of an economy. Check what the credit rating comopanies actually have to say on the matter.
What would happen to the Red, White & Blue of the Union Flag without the Blue? And that doesn't just affect us. It affects every other country that includes the Union Flag in their National Flag - Australia... New Zealand... even Hawaii.
Have to rethink it won't you.
And what of the Crown? Would the Queen remain as Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?
The monarchy is not an issue at the moment, the crown estates probably will be in a future independent scotland. Wasn't us that executed one of her predecessors don't you know.
As a new country they probably won't be automatically entitled to EU Membership without the routine minimum application period (5 years I think), so they won't be able to use the Euro.
If everything goes down the pan, who are they going to call on to bail them out? Not the UK (all right, they probably would, and we probably would).
We're already in the eu (unlike east germany for instance) and want to stay in it (unlike the rest of the UK ) and do you really think they won't want to keep one of the richest nations in the region as part of it? Catalonia looks likely to be in the same position as us soon anyway. If we vote yes it's likely they will have a referendum about seperating from spain. Why sghould it all go down the pan?
All these, as yet, seem to be unanswered questions. King Salmond seems to be basing everything on Oil, Oil, Oil, for ever & ever, Amen.
It's not about alec salmond it's about whether we become independent or not. Odds are he might not be be first minister for very long.
Seem to be unanswered, difficult when so many need the westminster government to actually sit down and negotiate in a sensible manner. maybe after a yes vote they will have to.
You think?
Barack Obama on Scottish independence vote: US wants UK to remain united – video | Politics | The Guardian
Scottish Independence: Obama White House Repeats Preference For 'No' Vote
However with the vote just days away and the polls too close to call, Earnest said the White House did not want to be seen to be "improperly interfering" in the internal-affairs of the UK.
Earnest also acknowledged that the US government had been planning for the dissolution of its closet ally. “I suspect that there’s somebody at the administration who’s been thinking about that at some level,†he said. "I don’t know to what level it has risen. It hasn't risen to my level, or maybe it hasn't sunk to my level."
What would happen to the UK's seat on the security council for instance.
Posted by saint
Can someone sum up the positions for me, pro and con, in one sentence or so?
Not really but one thing you do need to understand is that scotland is not a region of england but a separate nation state that was bribed in to a union with england back in 1707. Our culture is different, our legal and education are seperate and different we even have a different religion.
Home rule has been on the cards several times in the past, there was a home rule bill in the pipeline in 1914 that rather went by the wayside. By the way in ww1 scotland lost one in seven of it's male population disproportionate is not an adequate word for it.
Scotland pays more in to the exchaquer than we get back. If you want to bore yourself silly do some research. For the past we have been ruled by a westminster government that increasingly has alienated the scottish population. In 1979 1/3rd of the elected scottish mp's were tory, in 1987 it dropped to ten by 1997 it was zero, currntly there is one. We have policoes imposed on us that we didn't vote for and don't want. The poll tax was imposed on scotland a year before it was in england where the resulting riots led to the downfall of thatcher.
Without north sea oil the UK was bankrupt, the windfall was squandered and the UK would still be bankrupt without oil revenues. There are still vast rererves and new fields to exploited on the west coast and in the firth of clyde. Since they are in scotlands waters they belong to us.
Posted by four part
Most of the Oil is owned by English & Foreign investors.
No it belongs to the nation state in whose waters it lies who give licences to the oil companies which is why american oil companies get their government to overthrow governments who show signs of thinking the monies gained should be used for their people.
Being of a socialist bent it is possible the scots might elect in the future a government that thinks that way as well. BP and their ilk prefer a supine tory or labour government.
We are actually a nation rich in natural resources as well as being one of the nations that can claim to have made many of the important innovations of the last three hundred years. From railways, radar, antiseptics, anaesthetics the list is rather long. The oil industry started in scotland, of your american presidents eleven of the first thrteen were of scots descent, I could go on and on, quite frankly the suggestion we don't have what it takes to run our own country is ludicrous.
Pros, in summary. We are already a nation state although part of a union. We are wealthy and capable but hidebound and taken advantage of by a westminster elite that only has its own interests at heart. It's not anti-english although the papers like to portray it as such. my wife is english and she is voting yes, my english neighbour is voting yes (lot of ex forces guys stay up here after being based here during their careers). The only reason there will be any acrimony if we vite yes if the said westminster elite decide to make life as difficult as possible. there is no need or reason to have boerder checks and the like or to cease trading exceot out of spite.
If we don't vote yes then things go ion as before with an increasingly right wing nationalistic (oh the irony) tory or ukip givernment taking us out of the eu with devastating consequences for our economy.
Cons:? I find it increasingly hard to think of any. The more I listen to the no campaign the more I lean to voting yes.
Cameron refused to allow a third question on the referendum asking whether we would prefer what they called. devo max.
29 January 2012 09:29
No Devo-Max says Cameron - even if Scots vote for it
UK Prime Minister David Cameron has flatly ruled out any extension to tax raising powers for Scotland beyond the proposals contained in the Scotland Bill which is currently going through the Westminster Parliament.
The Prime Minister also refuses to consider devolving any part of the benefits system to Holyrood, according to reports in today's Scotland on Sunday.
According to the newspaper, a spokesperson for the Conservative Prime Minister has described additional powers for the Scottish Parliament as "inconsistent" with remaining a part of the United Kingdom.
Does he really expecrt us to trust any pledges he makes? Trust me I'm a tory just doesn't work any more.
posted by four part
Once what they do have of North Sea Oil has run out, how do they expect to finance everything? No mention has been made of taxation.
We can shift for ourselves and develop our economy, won't get that from the union.
Starting a country by welching on their debts is going to great guns for their Credit Rating.
What debt, if the rest of the uk won't let us accept a share of the UK debt we will be debt free. Besides credit rating is based on the wealth, resources and potential of an economy. Check what the credit rating comopanies actually have to say on the matter.
What would happen to the Red, White & Blue of the Union Flag without the Blue? And that doesn't just affect us. It affects every other country that includes the Union Flag in their National Flag - Australia... New Zealand... even Hawaii.
Have to rethink it won't you.
And what of the Crown? Would the Queen remain as Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?
The monarchy is not an issue at the moment, the crown estates probably will be in a future independent scotland. Wasn't us that executed one of her predecessors don't you know.
As a new country they probably won't be automatically entitled to EU Membership without the routine minimum application period (5 years I think), so they won't be able to use the Euro.
If everything goes down the pan, who are they going to call on to bail them out? Not the UK (all right, they probably would, and we probably would).
We're already in the eu (unlike east germany for instance) and want to stay in it (unlike the rest of the UK ) and do you really think they won't want to keep one of the richest nations in the region as part of it? Catalonia looks likely to be in the same position as us soon anyway. If we vote yes it's likely they will have a referendum about seperating from spain. Why sghould it all go down the pan?
All these, as yet, seem to be unanswered questions. King Salmond seems to be basing everything on Oil, Oil, Oil, for ever & ever, Amen.
It's not about alec salmond it's about whether we become independent or not. Odds are he might not be be first minister for very long.
Seem to be unanswered, difficult when so many need the westminster government to actually sit down and negotiate in a sensible manner. maybe after a yes vote they will have to.
This is getting silly
gmc;1464365 wrote: You think?
Being of a socialist bent it is possible the scots might elect in the future a government that thinks that way as well. BP and their ilk prefer a supine tory or labour government.
Don't forget BP is now American owned, but regardless of who owns it, the oil is rapidly running out.
Cameron refused to allow a third question on the referendum asking whether we would prefer what they called. devo max.
29 January 2012 09:29
No Devo-Max says Cameron - even if Scots vote for it
Does he really expecrt us to trust any pledges he makes? Trust me I'm a tory just doesn't work any more.
I agree - he definitely cut his own throat there.
What debt, if the rest of the uk won't let us accept a share of the UK debt we will be debt free. Besides credit rating is based on the wealth, resources and potential of an economy. Check what the credit rating comopanies actually have to say on the matter.
What are you talking about "What Debt"? or the UK not accepting a share of the debt? That's the first I've heard of that notion. Salmond has been threatening that if we don't allow them to continue to use Pound Sterling, then they'll refuse to pay their share of the debt - welching. Nothing to do with us refusing to accept Scotland paying its fair way.
We're already in the eu (unlike east germany for instance) and want to stay in it (unlike the rest of the UK ) and do you really think they won't want to keep one of the richest nations in the region as part of it? Catalonia looks likely to be in the same position as us soon anyway. If we vote yes it's likely they will have a referendum about seperating from spain. Why sghould it all go down the pan?
Actually, the UK is part of the EU. Scotland, as part of the UK, is currently a member. Once they are no longer part of the UK, then membership as such would cease.
One thing that I do like about the Scottish Legal System, however, that I feel we should adopt here is the 3 verdicts at a trial. Guilty, Not Guilty & Not Proven.
As I understand it (and I could be wrong in this) this means that if the Jury can't reach an outright decision based on the evidence, but there is still some element of doubt as to the person's innocence they can return a "Not Proven" verdict, meaning that if further evidence later comes to light they can be retried for the same offence, thus avoiding the prospect of "Double Jeopardy", allowing someone to get off scot free (no pun intended) if it later turns out that they were Guilty after all. I'm not sure if the "Not Proven" verdict is time restricted though (i.e. If no further evidence found or a retrial held within a certain a certain time, then it defaults to "Not Guilty".
Being of a socialist bent it is possible the scots might elect in the future a government that thinks that way as well. BP and their ilk prefer a supine tory or labour government.
Don't forget BP is now American owned, but regardless of who owns it, the oil is rapidly running out.
Cameron refused to allow a third question on the referendum asking whether we would prefer what they called. devo max.
29 January 2012 09:29
No Devo-Max says Cameron - even if Scots vote for it
Does he really expecrt us to trust any pledges he makes? Trust me I'm a tory just doesn't work any more.
I agree - he definitely cut his own throat there.
What debt, if the rest of the uk won't let us accept a share of the UK debt we will be debt free. Besides credit rating is based on the wealth, resources and potential of an economy. Check what the credit rating comopanies actually have to say on the matter.
What are you talking about "What Debt"? or the UK not accepting a share of the debt? That's the first I've heard of that notion. Salmond has been threatening that if we don't allow them to continue to use Pound Sterling, then they'll refuse to pay their share of the debt - welching. Nothing to do with us refusing to accept Scotland paying its fair way.
We're already in the eu (unlike east germany for instance) and want to stay in it (unlike the rest of the UK ) and do you really think they won't want to keep one of the richest nations in the region as part of it? Catalonia looks likely to be in the same position as us soon anyway. If we vote yes it's likely they will have a referendum about seperating from spain. Why sghould it all go down the pan?
Actually, the UK is part of the EU. Scotland, as part of the UK, is currently a member. Once they are no longer part of the UK, then membership as such would cease.
One thing that I do like about the Scottish Legal System, however, that I feel we should adopt here is the 3 verdicts at a trial. Guilty, Not Guilty & Not Proven.
As I understand it (and I could be wrong in this) this means that if the Jury can't reach an outright decision based on the evidence, but there is still some element of doubt as to the person's innocence they can return a "Not Proven" verdict, meaning that if further evidence later comes to light they can be retried for the same offence, thus avoiding the prospect of "Double Jeopardy", allowing someone to get off scot free (no pun intended) if it later turns out that they were Guilty after all. I'm not sure if the "Not Proven" verdict is time restricted though (i.e. If no further evidence found or a retrial held within a certain a certain time, then it defaults to "Not Guilty".
This is getting silly
posted by four part
Don't forget BP is now American owned, but regardless of who owns it, the oil is rapidly running out.
We're not a banana republic the american giovernment might find cotland a tougher nut to crack
the oil is rapidly running out.
You think?
West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD - Scotland / News & Views / The Sunday Post
Extent of oil reserves off Scotland's west coast set to be examined
The Real State of Scotland’s Oil and Gas Reserves |
One of the favourite mantras from certain quarters is that Scottish oil and gas reserves are “declining“. Nothing could be further from the truth. Scottish North Atlantic oil and gas, Scottish Atlantic Margin oil and gas, Scottish west coast oil and gas – whatever you choose to call it, is a major political and economic game-changer for Scotland. This article has two main aims. One, to establish if there is potential for oil and gas in the Scottish Atlantic Margin, and two, to establish the locations and quantity of any oil and gas existing in the Scottish Atlantic Margin. Where possible, the writer has tried to keep the technical jargon to
a minimum, but not in instances.
The geographical limits of the Scottish Atlantic Margin are defined within the Scottish-Irish marine boundary to the south, the Scottish-Faroese marine boundary to the north, and the Scottish-international waters marine boundary (off Rockall) to the west. Contained within
this boundary is the Faroese-Shetland Basin (which contains the massive Foinaven, Schiehallion, Clair, Suilven, Strathmore, Solan, and Victory oil and gas fields, etc); Rockall Basin, North East Rockall Basin; West Lewis Basin; Flannan Basin; West Flannan Basin; Hatton Basin; Barra Basin; Stanton Basin; and Sea of the Hebrides – Little Minch Basin.
The more I listen to tghe no campaign the more I want to vote yes. The future might be uncertain with a yes vote but it looks better than continuing the way things are. The tories, UKIP , BNP, new labour, the lib dems EDL the orange lodge all support a no vote, now tell me would you side with them if you had a choice?
In the liong run a yes vote might galvanise the english electorate to take an interest in politics in time to stop ukip taking over.
Don't forget BP is now American owned, but regardless of who owns it, the oil is rapidly running out.
We're not a banana republic the american giovernment might find cotland a tougher nut to crack
the oil is rapidly running out.
You think?
West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD - Scotland / News & Views / The Sunday Post
Extent of oil reserves off Scotland's west coast set to be examined
The Real State of Scotland’s Oil and Gas Reserves |
One of the favourite mantras from certain quarters is that Scottish oil and gas reserves are “declining“. Nothing could be further from the truth. Scottish North Atlantic oil and gas, Scottish Atlantic Margin oil and gas, Scottish west coast oil and gas – whatever you choose to call it, is a major political and economic game-changer for Scotland. This article has two main aims. One, to establish if there is potential for oil and gas in the Scottish Atlantic Margin, and two, to establish the locations and quantity of any oil and gas existing in the Scottish Atlantic Margin. Where possible, the writer has tried to keep the technical jargon to
a minimum, but not in instances.
The geographical limits of the Scottish Atlantic Margin are defined within the Scottish-Irish marine boundary to the south, the Scottish-Faroese marine boundary to the north, and the Scottish-international waters marine boundary (off Rockall) to the west. Contained within
this boundary is the Faroese-Shetland Basin (which contains the massive Foinaven, Schiehallion, Clair, Suilven, Strathmore, Solan, and Victory oil and gas fields, etc); Rockall Basin, North East Rockall Basin; West Lewis Basin; Flannan Basin; West Flannan Basin; Hatton Basin; Barra Basin; Stanton Basin; and Sea of the Hebrides – Little Minch Basin.
The more I listen to tghe no campaign the more I want to vote yes. The future might be uncertain with a yes vote but it looks better than continuing the way things are. The tories, UKIP , BNP, new labour, the lib dems EDL the orange lodge all support a no vote, now tell me would you side with them if you had a choice?
In the liong run a yes vote might galvanise the english electorate to take an interest in politics in time to stop ukip taking over.
This is getting silly
Quite frankly, apart from Labour's policy of "Better Together" (which is why they're also Pro-Europe), I reckon a major factor for them being Pro-UK Union is that the vast majority of Scottish MPs are Labour & that would be extremely detrimental to their chances in a UK Government.
@GMC...
Party leaders clash over oil claim - Scotland / News / The Courier
@GMC...
Party leaders clash over oil claim - Scotland / News / The Courier
This is getting silly
FourPart;1464405 wrote: Quite frankly, apart from Labour's policy of "Better Together" (which is why they're also Pro-Europe), I reckon a major factor for them being Pro-UK Union is that the vast majority of Scottish MPs are Labour & that would be extremely detrimental to their chances in a UK Government.
@GMC...
Party leaders clash over oil claim - Scotland / News / The Courier
The thing is left to westminster any revenues it will be squandered and little effort made to generate new industries in scotland or anywhere else on our hands we have a chance of doing just that. There is actually a lot more to scotland than just the oil. You can't built an economy based on call centres and financial services something the tories haven't yet grasped.
@GMC...
Party leaders clash over oil claim - Scotland / News / The Courier
The thing is left to westminster any revenues it will be squandered and little effort made to generate new industries in scotland or anywhere else on our hands we have a chance of doing just that. There is actually a lot more to scotland than just the oil. You can't built an economy based on call centres and financial services something the tories haven't yet grasped.
This is getting silly
Ran across this the other day on HBO.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
This is getting silly
And, I have seen it several places, now, including in a report from Reuters, this morning. I've gotta ask:
What's with the flame-throwing bagpipe?
What's with the flame-throwing bagpipe?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
This is getting silly
He is just an idiot jumping on the bandwagon I think
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
This is getting silly
Bruv;1464444 wrote:
He is just an idiot jumping on the bandwagon I think
I actually saw him in edinburgh during the festival - he's on the royal mile. He's worse live.
posted by Larsmac
What's with the flame-throwing bagpipe?
It amuses the tourists.
He is just an idiot jumping on the bandwagon I think
I actually saw him in edinburgh during the festival - he's on the royal mile. He's worse live.
posted by Larsmac
What's with the flame-throwing bagpipe?
It amuses the tourists.
This is getting silly
There's been a plethora of bagpipes at Trafalgar square, the last few weeks. I'm rushing for a train so I don't have to endure to much earache.
My observation is that this Government have handled this appallingly, from start to finish. Devo Max would have been so much more appropriate for all concerned but the arrogant Cameron decided not to give it as a choice. That could prove a costly mistake.
I also think however, that there is a large contingent of "Yes" voters that seem to want this for the wrong reasons. Purely out of a hatred/dislike of the English. Granted we often do ourselves no favour but what's the point of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Where does that get you ? Makes you a little bit uglier, that's where.
My observation is that this Government have handled this appallingly, from start to finish. Devo Max would have been so much more appropriate for all concerned but the arrogant Cameron decided not to give it as a choice. That could prove a costly mistake.
I also think however, that there is a large contingent of "Yes" voters that seem to want this for the wrong reasons. Purely out of a hatred/dislike of the English. Granted we often do ourselves no favour but what's the point of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Where does that get you ? Makes you a little bit uglier, that's where.
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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My daughter a No vote, has left her Scottish friend to vote on her behalf by proxy.
This very minute her friend has declared,on social media, she is going Yes, so now there is a dialogue in progress concerning my daughters vote, and whether it will be placed as directed.
It is friendly but highlights that it is not as simple as it first appears, splitting very close friends, families, etc.
I have just confessed, if I was voting I might go either way, with a leaning toward Yes.
My daughter is aghast.
This very minute her friend has declared,on social media, she is going Yes, so now there is a dialogue in progress concerning my daughters vote, and whether it will be placed as directed.
It is friendly but highlights that it is not as simple as it first appears, splitting very close friends, families, etc.
I have just confessed, if I was voting I might go either way, with a leaning toward Yes.
My daughter is aghast.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Snowfire;1464451 wrote: There's been a plethora of bagpipes at Trafalgar square
I believe the term is a cacophony of bagpipes.
I believe the term is a cacophony of bagpipes.
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Bruv;1464453 wrote: I believe the term is a cacophony of bagpipes.
Ah ! I'm confusing my collective nouns. That's much more of an accurate description.
Ah ! I'm confusing my collective nouns. That's much more of an accurate description.
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Snowfire;1464454 wrote: Ah ! I'm confusing my collective nouns. That's much more of an accurate description.
Nae bother
Nae bother
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Bruv;1464452 wrote: My daughter a No vote, has left her Scottish friend to vote on her behalf by proxy.
This very minute her friend has declared,on social media, she is going Yes, so now there is a dialogue in progress concerning my daughters vote, and whether it will be placed as directed.
It is friendly but highlights that it is not as simple as it first appears, splitting very close friends, families, etc.
I have just confessed, if I was voting I might go either way, with a leaning toward Yes.
My daughter is aghast.
So she should, some friend if she ignores her wishes. My wife voted no but I'm still speaking to her - not that she ever actually listens anyway.
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My observation is that this Government have handled this appallingly, from start to finish. Devo Max would have been so much more appropriate for all concerned but the arrogant Cameron decided not to give it as a choice. That could prove a costly mistake.
That's it in a nutshell, clearly he wasn't taking the possibility of a yes vote seriously. Add in the bullying, threats and the ludicrous suggestion we are incapable and you get the picture.
I also think however, that there is a large contingent of "Yes" voters that seem to want this for the wrong reasons. Purely out of a hatred/dislike of the English. Granted we often do ourselves no favour but what's the point of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Where does that get you ? Makes you a little bit uglier, that's where.
Not the english, if you said westminster elites you would have the right of it. We do have our share of knuckle draggers most of whom actually know very little about scottish history.
This very minute her friend has declared,on social media, she is going Yes, so now there is a dialogue in progress concerning my daughters vote, and whether it will be placed as directed.
It is friendly but highlights that it is not as simple as it first appears, splitting very close friends, families, etc.
I have just confessed, if I was voting I might go either way, with a leaning toward Yes.
My daughter is aghast.
So she should, some friend if she ignores her wishes. My wife voted no but I'm still speaking to her - not that she ever actually listens anyway.
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My observation is that this Government have handled this appallingly, from start to finish. Devo Max would have been so much more appropriate for all concerned but the arrogant Cameron decided not to give it as a choice. That could prove a costly mistake.
That's it in a nutshell, clearly he wasn't taking the possibility of a yes vote seriously. Add in the bullying, threats and the ludicrous suggestion we are incapable and you get the picture.
I also think however, that there is a large contingent of "Yes" voters that seem to want this for the wrong reasons. Purely out of a hatred/dislike of the English. Granted we often do ourselves no favour but what's the point of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Where does that get you ? Makes you a little bit uglier, that's where.
Not the english, if you said westminster elites you would have the right of it. We do have our share of knuckle draggers most of whom actually know very little about scottish history.
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gmc;1464458 wrote: My wife voted no but I'm still speaking to her - not that she ever actually listens anyway.
And I thought you were a No voter.
And I thought you were a No voter.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1464462 wrote: And I thought you were a No voter.
No the thought of things going on as before was just too hard to take.
If it's a no vote we will have to put up with the gloating of the no camp and smarmy westminster politicians while all the promises they made go up in smoke. If it's yes then it will be the vindictive actions of poor losers makjng things as hard as possible we will have to contend with. If we are that big a drain on the rest of the country you think they would be glad to let us go our own way.
No the thought of things going on as before was just too hard to take.
If it's a no vote we will have to put up with the gloating of the no camp and smarmy westminster politicians while all the promises they made go up in smoke. If it's yes then it will be the vindictive actions of poor losers makjng things as hard as possible we will have to contend with. If we are that big a drain on the rest of the country you think they would be glad to let us go our own way.
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Part of me wants a Yes vote simply because It would be so damaging to Labour. However, we were talking about this tonight In a Committee meeting and It seems a No vote Is what we all want....
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I think, no matter what anyone says, a lot of it will depend on 'Hearts & Minds', rather than policies for exactly that sort of reason.
The problem is that at the moment it's so close that no matter what the result there are going to be the malcontents who will contest the vote's validity, regardless of which way it goes. To be honest, I couldn't really give a toss one way or the other, but I can see that DevoMax would have been a far better compromise solution for all concerned - much as how I feel about Europe.
The problem is that at the moment it's so close that no matter what the result there are going to be the malcontents who will contest the vote's validity, regardless of which way it goes. To be honest, I couldn't really give a toss one way or the other, but I can see that DevoMax would have been a far better compromise solution for all concerned - much as how I feel about Europe.
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gmc;1464468 wrote: No the thought of things going on as before was just too hard to take.
If it's a no vote we will have to put up with the gloating of the no camp and smarmy westminster politicians while all the promises they made go up in smoke. If it's yes then it will be the vindictive actions of poor losers makjng things as hard as possible we will have to contend with. If we are that big a drain on the rest of the country you think they would be glad to let us go our own way.
Well I never.
Didn't see you as a floating voter.
If it's a no vote we will have to put up with the gloating of the no camp and smarmy westminster politicians while all the promises they made go up in smoke. If it's yes then it will be the vindictive actions of poor losers makjng things as hard as possible we will have to contend with. If we are that big a drain on the rest of the country you think they would be glad to let us go our own way.
Well I never.
Didn't see you as a floating voter.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Oscar Namechange;1464470 wrote: However, we were talking about this tonight In a Committee meeting and It seems a No vote Is what we all want....
Committee meetings ?
They never solved anything and the thought that a meeting in England to discuss a vote in Scotland sort of sums up my whole my thinking on 'Committees' in general.
Committee meetings ?
They never solved anything and the thought that a meeting in England to discuss a vote in Scotland sort of sums up my whole my thinking on 'Committees' in general.
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Bruv;1464488 wrote: Committee meetings ?
They never solved anything and the thought that a meeting in England to discuss a vote in Scotland sort of sums up my whole my thinking on 'Committees' in general.
We have committee meetings to decide what we tell the members.
Edinburgh 60/40 NO!
Inverclyde 50/50 could come down to a single vote.
They never solved anything and the thought that a meeting in England to discuss a vote in Scotland sort of sums up my whole my thinking on 'Committees' in general.
We have committee meetings to decide what we tell the members.
Edinburgh 60/40 NO!
Inverclyde 50/50 could come down to a single vote.
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Oscar Namechange;1464493 wrote: We have committee meetings to decide what we tell the members.
Edinburgh 60/40 NO!
Inverclyde 50/50 could come down to a single vote.
Where are you getting your information ?
The Latest..........or so I thought.
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted.
Edinburgh 60/40 NO!
Inverclyde 50/50 could come down to a single vote.
Where are you getting your information ?
The Latest..........or so I thought.
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Looks like a long night in store for most of the UK.
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LarsMac;1464495 wrote: Looks like a long night in store for most of the UK.
I would have been in bed long ago, but here in the States, with the time difference and a daughter resident in Scotland, we are both online for the blow by blow results.
And it couldn't be closer, there should be a clear difference or ill feeling will cause problems.
I would have been in bed long ago, but here in the States, with the time difference and a daughter resident in Scotland, we are both online for the blow by blow results.
And it couldn't be closer, there should be a clear difference or ill feeling will cause problems.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Almost definately No Vote with 6 to declare.
The Union is secure.
The Union is secure.
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Bruv;1464494 wrote:
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted. Committee Is elected by members to act In their best Interests.
I am pleased It was a No.
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted. Committee Is elected by members to act In their best Interests.
I am pleased It was a No.
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I voted no last time because I suspected scotland would end up being run by the labour mafia prevalent at the time and we were promised a form of devolution. Instead we got thatcher.
I would have gone for devo max right from the start cameron took that option away the last straw was for him to promise to deliver just that in the qweek before the referendum in sheer panic at the thought we might vote yes. When do you think he was lying? now when he has made the vow or in 2012 when he vowed it would never happen. Then there's clegg and his broken electoral promises, milliband is a nonentity and gordon brown is no longer leader of the labour party and did bugger all when he had the power to do so. the fastest particle in the univesrse is a politician going back on their opriomises.
I can't believe people have fallen for it again, you can already hear the opposition to it down south.
I would have gone for devo max right from the start cameron took that option away the last straw was for him to promise to deliver just that in the qweek before the referendum in sheer panic at the thought we might vote yes. When do you think he was lying? now when he has made the vow or in 2012 when he vowed it would never happen. Then there's clegg and his broken electoral promises, milliband is a nonentity and gordon brown is no longer leader of the labour party and did bugger all when he had the power to do so. the fastest particle in the univesrse is a politician going back on their opriomises.
I can't believe people have fallen for it again, you can already hear the opposition to it down south.
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Bruv;1464494 wrote: Where are you getting your information ?
The Latest..........or so I thought.
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted.
In fairness, apart from a couple of decimals, the figures she quoted are same as in your link.
As for Political Committees - Didn't you know, the whole policy of the BNP pivots on telling everyone (not just its members) how to think, so they have to have to have committees to work out what to tell them to do.
The Latest..........or so I thought.
And I thought The Members told you what they wanted.
In fairness, apart from a couple of decimals, the figures she quoted are same as in your link.
As for Political Committees - Didn't you know, the whole policy of the BNP pivots on telling everyone (not just its members) how to think, so they have to have to have committees to work out what to tell them to do.
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Breaking news
Salmond resigns
BBC News - Scottish referendum: Salmond to go after Scotland No vote
Salmond resigns
BBC News - Scottish referendum: Salmond to go after Scotland No vote
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I think it's finally dawned on him that he's not going to be King Salmond 1 of Caledonia after all.
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At least he had the dignity and good grace to step down. We'd still be trying to pry Cameron's fingers off the door handle at No 10 had it gone the other way
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FourPart;1464553 wrote: I think it's finally dawned on him that he's not going to be King Salmond 1 of Caledonia after all.
Reminds me of that joke.
The Queen and Alex Salmond pre vote are chatting about what Salmond will be called If Scotland got Independence.
Salmond suggests that as Scotland will be an empire, he should be called The Emporer.
Or perhaps, he suggests, as Scotland will be a principality, I should be called the Principle.
The Queen says ' Let's just leave It at a Country.
Reminds me of that joke.
The Queen and Alex Salmond pre vote are chatting about what Salmond will be called If Scotland got Independence.
Salmond suggests that as Scotland will be an empire, he should be called The Emporer.
Or perhaps, he suggests, as Scotland will be a principality, I should be called the Principle.
The Queen says ' Let's just leave It at a Country.
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Actually, I could just imagine her actually saying something like that. She's a very witty lady, with a wry sense of humour.
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FourPart;1464558 wrote: Actually, I could just imagine her actually saying something like that. She's a very witty lady, with a wry sense of humour.
I have reports that rioting has broken out In Glasgow...can you confirm Auld Yin ?
I have reports that rioting has broken out In Glasgow...can you confirm Auld Yin ?
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Oscar Namechange;1464564 wrote: I have reports that rioting has broken out In Glasgow...can you confirm Auld Yin ?
Am a bit puzzled as to the relevance of the quote.
Am a bit puzzled as to the relevance of the quote.
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Oscar Namechange;1464564 wrote: I have reports that rioting has broken out In Glasgow...can you confirm Auld Yin ?
Here ye go Hen......Riots
Here ye go Hen......Riots
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Bruv;1464566 wrote: Here ye go Hen......Riots
Don't be a donut... I meant tonight.
Don't be a donut... I meant tonight.
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Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square | Herald Scotland
Just In
Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square | Herald Scotland
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It's kicking off now.... Nazi salutes ???? WTF ???
Rival Scottish Independence Rallies Hit Glasgow As Police Look On
Rival Scottish Independence Rallies Hit Glasgow As Police Look On
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Oscar Namechange;1464574 wrote: It's kicking off now.... Nazi salutes ???? WTF ???
Rival Scottish Independence Rallies Hit Glasgow As Police Look On
If it's Glasgow, it's probably just another excuse for a good booze up. The city, after all, is synonymous with violence - "A Glasgee Kiss", for instance.
As for the Police looking on. Probably the best course of action. Otherwise they'd end up getting both sides teaming up to turn on THEM.
Rival Scottish Independence Rallies Hit Glasgow As Police Look On
If it's Glasgow, it's probably just another excuse for a good booze up. The city, after all, is synonymous with violence - "A Glasgee Kiss", for instance.
As for the Police looking on. Probably the best course of action. Otherwise they'd end up getting both sides teaming up to turn on THEM.
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FourPart;1464605 wrote: If it's Glasgow, it's probably just another excuse for a good booze up. The city, after all, is synonymous with violence - "A Glasgee Kiss", for instance.
As for the Police looking on. Probably the best course of action. Otherwise they'd end up getting both sides teaming up to turn on THEM.
Frankly, I am disgusted at some of the comments In this forum such as the Scottish may now have some pride and another excuse for a booze up.
No wonder they wanted Independence from England.
Simon Darby: You can film me all day coz Scotaland says no
As for the Police looking on. Probably the best course of action. Otherwise they'd end up getting both sides teaming up to turn on THEM.
Frankly, I am disgusted at some of the comments In this forum such as the Scottish may now have some pride and another excuse for a booze up.
No wonder they wanted Independence from England.
Simon Darby: You can film me all day coz Scotaland says no
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This is, after all, the country with the export they are mainly known worldwide for is Whisky & Fighting.
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FourPart;1464631 wrote: This is, after all, the country with the export they are mainly known worldwide for is Whisky & Fighting. That Is a preconceived misconception based on racism..
The Polish and Russians are main exporters of Vodka.
The Polish and Russians are main exporters of Vodka.
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FourPart;1464553 wrote: I think it's finally dawned on him that he's not going to be King Salmond 1 of Caledonia after all.#
It was never about alex salmond running the country odds are after a yes vote we would have seen a coalition forming.
It's kicking off now.... Nazi salutes ???? WTF ???
So much for the yes the yes campaign using intimidation and threats. What happened is sectarian violence, odds are it was the same morons you see at old firm games. The yes campaigners had been gethered in george square and were quietly winding diwn when groups of hooligans carrying union flags turned up to start a fight. The notion that the yes side were responsible for all the intimidation is actually just not true most of the aggression came from the no side.
It's annoying and innaccurate to report it as rival rallies, what happened is a bunch of loyalist thugs turned up to start a fight.
The orange lodge, bnp, edl, ukip all supported the union you really should not be surprised at nazi salutes. right wing christian anti-catholic anti communist (by which they mean anyone that believes in equality and workers rights and maybe we should have a republic). Think ulster loyalists and you will get an idea of what is involved.
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If it's Glasgow, it's probably just another excuse for a good booze up. The city, after all, is synonymous with violence - "A Glasgee Kiss", for instance.
Didn't you see that homosexual kiss at the commonwealth games opening? Funniest comment was it has redefined the meaning of a glasgow kiss.
This is, after all, the country with the export they are mainly known worldwide for is Whisky & Fighting.
Only amongst the illiterati.
It was never about alex salmond running the country odds are after a yes vote we would have seen a coalition forming.
It's kicking off now.... Nazi salutes ???? WTF ???
So much for the yes the yes campaign using intimidation and threats. What happened is sectarian violence, odds are it was the same morons you see at old firm games. The yes campaigners had been gethered in george square and were quietly winding diwn when groups of hooligans carrying union flags turned up to start a fight. The notion that the yes side were responsible for all the intimidation is actually just not true most of the aggression came from the no side.
It's annoying and innaccurate to report it as rival rallies, what happened is a bunch of loyalist thugs turned up to start a fight.
The orange lodge, bnp, edl, ukip all supported the union you really should not be surprised at nazi salutes. right wing christian anti-catholic anti communist (by which they mean anyone that believes in equality and workers rights and maybe we should have a republic). Think ulster loyalists and you will get an idea of what is involved.
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If it's Glasgow, it's probably just another excuse for a good booze up. The city, after all, is synonymous with violence - "A Glasgee Kiss", for instance.
Didn't you see that homosexual kiss at the commonwealth games opening? Funniest comment was it has redefined the meaning of a glasgow kiss.
This is, after all, the country with the export they are mainly known worldwide for is Whisky & Fighting.
Only amongst the illiterati.