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Hal the fun in the uk parliament comes when they start laying in to each other, sadly no one nowadays seems to have the wit or a good insult. The next election is going to be very interesting. I suspect ukip might do very well simply as a protest vote against the other two main parties.

He's like george galoway whatever you think of the politics in terms of their ability in a debate they wipe the floor with the opposition.

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gmc;1453732 wrote: Hal the fun in the uk parliament comes when they start laying in to each other, sadly no one nowadays seems to have the wit or a good insult. The next election is going to be very interesting. I suspect ukip might do very well simply as a protest vote against the other two main parties.

He's like george galoway whatever you think of the politics in terms of their ability in a debate they wipe the floor with the opposition.

President Blair - A 'retired clapped out ex-premier' - YouTube Although I agree with Herr Fuhrer Griffin that Farage Is as mad as a box of syphilitic frogs, I can't help but have a tad of admiration for taking Blair to task and his Insult to the EU President.

I think If he can get rid of the madness that's In the UKIP Party, he's a viable threat to mainstream parties at the next General. I agree, It's going to be a very Interesting Election this time round.

The Lib Dems are finished. The only votes will come from the Loony far left who still believe In him and his sidekick Cable although, I would not be at all surprised If, no Lib/Lab pact can be forged, Cable will defect to Labour,

Two years ago I believed In a Labour landslide because It was on the cards that welfare reform would make the Tories extremely unpopular but now I am not so sure.

I do believe UKIP will be the protest vote simply because they are more acceptable to Middle England than the BNP who hold same and similar policies. Not overlooking of course that despite having better suits and public school education, UKIP Is still The Far Right. Britain Is turning !!!!
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Oscar Mate;1453736 wrote: Although I agree with Herr Fuhrer Griffin that Farage Is as mad as a box of syphilitic frogs, I can't help but have a tad of admiration for taking Blair to task and his Insult to the EU President.

I think If he can get rid of the madness that's In the UKIP Party, he's a viable threat to mainstream parties at the next General. I agree, It's going to be a very Interesting Election this time round.

The Lib Dems are finished. The only votes will come from the Loony far left who still believe In him and his sidekick Cable although, I would not be at all surprised If, no Lib/Lab pact can be forged, Cable will defect to Labour,

Two years ago I believed In a Labour landslide because It was on the cards that welfare reform would make the Tories extremely unpopular but now I am not so sure.

I do believe UKIP will be the protest vote simply because they are more acceptable to Middle England than the BNP who hold same and similar policies. Not overlooking of course that despite having better suits and public school education, UKIP Is still The Far Right. Britain Is turning !!!!


No the loony left ae hardly likely to vote liberal denmocrat. Actually they seem quite sne niowadays, they were right about privatisation and tory plans to privtise the nhs. although in fairness they have made no secret of that intention.

Pundits keep saying socialism doesnlt work but then if you start listing all the changes wrought by socialists, contraception for women, ( no danger the churches were going to go for that one, they used to prosecute anyone giving advice on birth control under the obscenity laws) vote for women, the nhs, free universal education

(actually we had that for centuries in scotlabd thanks to john knox & co.) we're actually going backwards, turn of the last century anyone could attend lectures many ordinary working men just just that.

I like watching george galloway in action although I was in dundee when he was active in the labour party there tales of corruption have followed him everywhere.
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Why do we call the far Left Loony ?
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Bruv;1453783 wrote: Why do we call the far Left Loony ?


I think that trend started with the Sun in 80's

While they layed prostrate at the feet of Thatcher, the Suns editors would have us believe that most of the Labour Party was full of Loonies (even Tony Benn and Mo Mowlem were one ) and also Odious....Ken Livingstone. No one was allowed to be a "democratic socialist" just loony
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I would give my eye teeth for a leftish Government right now.
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Bruv;1453788 wrote: I would give my eye teeth for a leftish Government right now.


Why ?
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Bruv;1453783 wrote: Why do we call the far Left Loony ?


It's a very subtle way of putting someone down and making what they say something no one takes seriously.

Mind you farage is the loony right but since he doesn't threaten the vested interests of the establishment and appeals to the more xenophobic bits of the press he gets away with it.

Miliband is of polish jewish extraction not so long ago the daily mail would have braying that fact all over the front page expecting it would count against him.

Farage is of huguenot ancestry, Nick griffin is eat european (can't be bothered checking from where they came) bit ironic don't you think? Just think if we had stopped immigration over the last five hundred years or so.
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Oscar Mate;1453805 wrote: Why ?
Because I am part of the non loony left
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Bruv;1453808 wrote: Because I am part of the non loony left Why ?

Ask me why I support the Far Right and I'll justify myself... you may not agree, no-one may agree but I'll always have the courage of my convictions... why can't you ?
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Oscar Mate;1453809 wrote: Why ?

Ask me why I support the Far Right and I'll justify myself... you may not agree, no-one may agree but I'll always have the courage of my convictions... why can't you ?


Where would you want me to start ?

The Banking system?

The NHS ?

Or just the general attitude?
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Are you really a fascist oscar?

Where do you stand on then economy?

Do you think some industries are too important to be left in private hands - like education and health for instance?

Do you think industry shuuld be regulated or an open market free or all with companies left to do as they please (how would you feel about fracking or an open cast coal mine in your back yard) and all health and safety rules thrown out with workers unable to claim compensation if they are injured at work, that's what used to happen, lost a hand tough **** unemployed and unemployable. (in the past two years I now know five people who have injured themselves at work two won't be going back to work at all so that's them in the ranks of the disabled layabouts claimiong benefits to lead the life of riley.

Should pople be forced to work as many hours as the employers need. the foty hours we take or granted was the result of legislation not caring employers., want to know how many people now work 50-60 hours a week on a flat pay rate having exercised their right to give up their rights under the working time directive at the request of the employer. You work, how much do you think you would be paif if there was no minimum wage legislation.

Your husband gets precriptions, what do younthink aboutb tory plans to make everybody pay, after all, why should the healthy sudsidise the chronically ill.

Just how right wing are you?
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Bruv;1453811 wrote: Where would you want me to start ?

The Banking system?

The NHS ?

Or just the general attitude? Those are also Far Right Issue's
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gmc;1453814 wrote: Billy Bragg - Which Side Are You On? - YouTube

Are you really a fascist oscar?

Where do you stand on then economy?

Do you think some industries are too important to be left in private hands - like education and health for instance?

Do you think industry shuuld be regulated or an open market free or all with companies left to do as they please (how would you feel about fracking or an open cast coal mine in your back yard) and all health and safety rules thrown out with workers unable to claim compensation if they are injured at work, that's what used to happen, lost a hand tough **** unemployed and unemployable. (in the past two years I now know five people who have injured themselves at work two won't be going back to work at all so that's them in the ranks of the disabled layabouts claimiong benefits to lead the life of riley.

Should pople be forced to work as many hours as the employers need. the foty hours we take or granted was the result of legislation not caring employers., want to know how many people now work 50-60 hours a week on a flat pay rate having exercised their right to give up their rights under the working time directive at the request of the employer. You work, how much do you think you would be paif if there was no minimum wage legislation.

Your husband gets precriptions, what do younthink aboutb tory plans to make everybody pay, after all, why should the healthy sudsidise the chronically ill.

Just how right wing are you? Just to let you know, I am not going of In a huff. I have a husband to feed, dogs to exercise, and laundry. However, good questions, of which I will return when I can sit down for the night and reply In full,
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Oscar Mate;1453815 wrote: Those are also Far Right Issue's


Every issue is both sides of the political spectrums issue, it is how the wings deal with them that makes people come down as right or left.



I would designate gmc as my spokesman, he is far more eloquent then me, when he gets the typing right.

I am trying to think what historical problems have ever been caused by the left, weighed against those caused by the right......yes on balance I will take the left to be on my side.
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Bruv;1453820 wrote: Every issue is both sides of the political spectrums issue, it is how the wings deal with them that makes people come down as right or left.



I would designate gmc as my spokesman, he is far more eloquent then me, when he gets the typing right.

I am trying to think what historical problems have ever been caused by the left, weighed against those caused by the right......yes on balance I will take the left to be on my side.


I spell, I type it's the two together that are the problem. Don't just leave it up to me that's not fair
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gmc;1453814 wrote: Billy Bragg - Which Side Are You On? - YouTube

Are you really a fascist oscar?

Where do you stand on then economy?

Do you think some industries are too important to be left in private hands - like education and health for instance?

Do you think industry shuuld be regulated or an open market free or all with companies left to do as they please (how would you feel about fracking or an open cast coal mine in your back yard) and all health and safety rules thrown out with workers unable to claim compensation if they are injured at work, that's what used to happen, lost a hand tough **** unemployed and unemployable. (in the past two years I now know five people who have injured themselves at work two won't be going back to work at all so that's them in the ranks of the disabled layabouts claimiong benefits to lead the life of riley.

Should pople be forced to work as many hours as the employers need. the foty hours we take or granted was the result of legislation not caring employers., want to know how many people now work 50-60 hours a week on a flat pay rate having exercised their right to give up their rights under the working time directive at the request of the employer. You work, how much do you think you would be paif if there was no minimum wage legislation.

Your husband gets precriptions, what do younthink aboutb tory plans to make everybody pay, after all, why should the healthy sudsidise the chronically ill.

Just how right wing are you?


To avoid a diatribe, I'll condense for you.

Total withdrawal from the EU keeping business links and free trade.

Allow work permits to temporary over-sea's workers.

Bank of England as sole regulator of banks. Caps on bonuses. Fines for losses.

Abolish The Crown Prosecution Service and abolish text book targets set by government for police officers.

Benefit and welfare to be means tested. More welfare for genuine redundancy and genuine sickness.

Raise pass rate on those entering University. Universities to be fee paid but offer scholarships based on merit. Grants to be means tested and awarded on genuine merit.

NHS to remain free to British Citizens only. Abolish white collar workers and replace with ward managers overseen by elected County health care pro's and NHS services put out to tender. Free eye tests and dental treatment along with free prescriptions to over 65's ( my husband ).

Abolish exclusitivity contracts for farmers.

State pension at 65 with winter fuel allowance means tested.

Child benefit capped at two children and means tested.

No payment of benefit to Immigrants until residing In the UK for 5 years. No social housing until after 5 years.

Re-Instatement of the death penalty.

Segregated prisons to avoid radicalisation.

Immigrants convicted of serious crime to be Immediately deported.

Withdrawal of all troops other than peace keeping missions and used on ports.

Companies to be regulated by government...

Economy... scrap VAT.... reduce public sector, Invest In Infrastructure and British Industry creating more jobs.

Errr that's all I can think of off the top of my head.. Pick the bones out of that chum
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gmc;1453821 wrote: I spell, I type it's the two together that are the problem. Don't just leave it up to me that's not fair


And I thought it was just the accent.

I'm sorry you have my vote, get on with it.

I can always follow and correct your typing.
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Oscar Mate;1453822 wrote: To avoid a diatribe, I'll condense for you.

Total withdrawal from the EU keeping business links and free trade. Keep all the benefits after withdrawal?

Allow work permits to temporary over-sea's workers.. Do you mean time limited permits for temporary workers?

Bank of England as sole regulator of banks. Caps on bonuses. Fines for losses.. Don't know enough to comment. Leeft wing caps ? Penalties for failure ?

Abolish The Crown Prosecution Service and abolish text book targets set by government for police officers..Don't know enough. But abolish any targets on Police and other such employment

Benefit and welfare to be means tested. More welfare for genuine redundancy and genuine sickness.. No means tests. Define genuine.

Raise pass rate on those entering University. Universities to be fee paid but offer scholarships based on merit. Grants to be means tested and awarded on genuine merit..No fees for UK citizens, raise standards by all means.

NHS to remain free to British Citizens only. Abolish white collar workers and replace with ward managers overseen by elected County health care pro's and NHS services put out to tender. Free eye tests and dental treatment along with free prescriptions to over 65's ( my husband ).. That is the way it should be already the way I understand it, it is the implimentation that is hard, at the sharp end..

Abolish exclusitivity contracts for farmers. Interfere in free trade practices, not very right wing is it.

State pension at 65 with winter fuel allowance means tested.Possibly more expensive to impliment than to pay out to all pensioners

Child benefit capped at two children and means tested. Which two children the first two or the last two of ten?

No payment of benefit to Immigrants until residing In the UK for 5 years. No social housing until after 5 years. Make some timed conditions by all means but dependent on need.

Re-Instatement of the death penalty. No No and again No

Segregated prisons to avoid radicalisation. Religious segregation ? Like Belfast.......doesn't make sense

Immigrants convicted of serious crime to be Immediately deported. Could agree to that

Withdrawal of all troops other than peace keeping missions and used on ports. Could agree to withdrawal, but on the Ports?

Companies to be regulated by government...More left wing interference?

Economy... scrap VAT.... reduce public sector, Invest In Infrastructure and British Industry creating more jobs. Replace VAT with ? Reduce public sector......how ? Don't all parties want to cut public expenditure ? I would abolish new road building and invest in a freight rail system tomorrow

Errr that's all I can think of off the top of my head.. Pick the bones out of that chum


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Total withdrawal from the EU keeping business links and free trade.


So not actually total withdrawal then.

Allow work permits to temporary over-sea's workers.


So expats will now have to get a work permit from the UK to work overseas?

Have you any idea how many britons work in the eu? It's a two way street how will that effect them if they find themselves unable to continue working ?

Bank of England as sole regulator of banks. Caps on bonuses. Fines for losses.


Gordon brown was an arsehole wasn;t he. By the way who regulates the banks now?

BBC News - UK financial regulation overhauled

Abolish The Crown Prosecution Service and abolish text book targets set by government for police officers.


Go on what will you replace it with?

Benefit and welfare to be means tested. More welfare for genuine redundancy and genuine sickness.




Try asking any of the war generation what they think of means tested benefits, incidentally a banefit is given tax free everything else is actually mens tested as it is.

Raise pass rate on those entering University. Universities to be fee paid but offer scholarships based on merit. Grants to be means tested and awarded on genuine merit.




What they should have done back in the sixties is do away with fee paying schools as well as all religious ones. Educatrion should be avilable fo all regrdless of means

NHS to remain free to British Citizens only. Abolish white collar workers and replace with ward managers overseen by elected County health care pro's and NHS services put out to tender. Free eye tests and dental treatment along with free prescriptions to over 65's ( my husband ).


What about the reciprocal arranmgements we have with the eu? But yes on that i would agree with you.

Abolish exclusitivity contracts for farmers.


Que?

State pension at 65 with winter fuel allowance means tested.


For women as well? very good.

Child benefit capped at two children and means tested.


Go on pick on the catholics and muslims

No payment of benefit to Immigrants until residing In the UK for 5 years. No social housing until after 5 years.


Actually I'd agree with you there.

Re-Instatement of the death penalty.


No, didn't work when we had it still wouldn't. Plus there are a few people who wopuld have ben dead who were subsequently found guilty.

Segregated prisons to avoid radicalisation.


No, a criminal is a criminal.

Immigrants convicted of serious crime to be Immediately deported.


Withdrawal of all troops other than peace keeping missions and used on ports.


What about the navy then?

Companies to be regulated by government...


So you want to reducethe public sector by bringing more civil servants???



Economy... scrap VAT.... reduce public sector, Invest In Infrastructure and British Industry creating more jobs.


So sate control of industry and investment?

Errr that's all I can think of off the top of my head.. Pick the bones out of that chum


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Come on then ... let's have your take Instead of the rhetorical questions.
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Oscar Mate;1454039 wrote: Come on then ... let's have your take Instead of the rhetorical questions.


You're the one putting the case for the BNP there seems to be nothing coherent about their policies just a randon set of grievances designed to appeal to peoples emotions rather than intellect.

UKIP does the same, farage makes some vaild points amnd some ridiculous ones as well.

BNP raise snme issues we need to discuss but seem incapable of getting beyond a sort of brochure speak.
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gmc;1454217 wrote: You're the one putting the case for the BNP there seems to be nothing coherent about their policies just a randon set of grievances designed to appeal to peoples emotions rather than intellect.

UKIP does the same, farage makes some vaild points amnd some ridiculous ones as well.

BNP raise snme issues we need to discuss but seem incapable of getting beyond a sort of brochure speak. So again you critisize but won't put your Ideology In writing ? There was me thing your balls were bigger than that.

That's the difference here... courage of convictions. And by the way, Herr Fuhrer Griffin would disagree with much of what I've said.
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