Three DEAD in Kansas Anti-Semitic Shootings

[AnneBoleyn]

Gunman screaming 'Heil Hitler' kills at least three in shooting spree at Jewish community center and retirement home on Passover eve

Gunman screaming 'Heil Hitler' kills at least three in shooting spree at Jewish community center and retirement home on Passover eve | Mail Online

"Three people were killed, including a 14-year-old boy, in the shootings on Sunday in Kansas City

A 70-year-old man has been taken into custody

Police are investigating a potential hate-crime after the alleged shooter screamed out support for the Nazi leader

Kansas City is home to a 20,000 strong Jewish community

The shooter killed at two locations - a community center and retirement Jewish home

The Jewish Community Center was crammed with children waiting to audition for a singing contest when gunfire rang out

A second 14-year-old boy is in critical condition at hospital

The Passover holiday begins on Monday" (Monday after Sundown--AB)



Tude Dog, please check in with what you know. Is this the community you travel to for services? Are you & your wife ok? I thought of your well-being immediately. Must end this post now & sign-off, will be back tomorrow AM. Be Well.

[tude dog]

AnneBoleyn;1451742 wrote: Gunman screaming 'Heil Hitler' kills at least three in shooting spree at Jewish community center and retirement home on Passover eve

Gunman screaming 'Heil Hitler' kills at least three in shooting spree at Jewish community center and retirement home on Passover eve | Mail Online

"Three people were killed, including a 14-year-old boy, in the shootings on Sunday in Kansas City

A 70-year-old man has been taken into custody

Police are investigating a potential hate-crime after the alleged shooter screamed out support for the Nazi leader

Kansas City is home to a 20,000 strong Jewish community

The shooter killed at two locations - a community center and retirement Jewish home

The Jewish Community Center was crammed with children waiting to audition for a singing contest when gunfire rang out

A second 14-year-old boy is in critical condition at hospital

The Passover holiday begins on Monday" (Monday after Sundown--AB)



Tude Dog, please check in with what you know. Is this the community you travel to for services? Are you & your wife ok? I thought of your well-being immediately. Must end this post now & sign-off, will be back tomorrow AM. Be Well.


We don’t travel to Kansas City for services. I have no special information to share. Closest temples are in Manhattan, KS and Lincoln, NE.

The story reminds us a lot of the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting where we lived two miles from. Didn't go there for services and only entered the building maybe three or four times.

Truly appreciate you asking about our safety.

[AnneBoleyn]

I am so glad to learn you both, and your friends, are ok! Good Pesach.

[AnneBoleyn]

The man & his grandson who were shot dead were not even Jewish. I don't know about the female victim who was killed at a nearby retirement home. Today, Howard Stern played an interview he had, several years ago, with the lunatic killer who was running for some election with the slogan "It's the Jews, Stupid" (couldn't even be original, stealing from Bill Clinton's staff "It's the economy, stupid"). Anyway, he garnered 7 votes, proving, thank goodness, he was a true lone nut.

[LarsMac]

AnneBoleyn;1451750 wrote: The man & his grandson who were shot dead were not even Jewish. I don't know about the female victim who was killed at a nearby retirement home. Today, Howard Stern played an interview he had, several years ago, with the lunatic killer who was running for some election with the slogan "It's the Jews, Stupid" (couldn't even be original, stealing from Bill Clinton's staff "It's the economy, stupid"). Anyway, he garnered 7 votes, proving, thank goodness, he was a true lone nut.


With seven votes, he was obviously not lone enough.

[LarsMac]

Kansas City is dealing with a number of apparently random shootings, lately.

Highway shooting leaves one person dead, another critically injured in KCK - KansasCity.com

driving scared: spate of random shootings

[YZGI]

LarsMac;1451754 wrote: Kansas City is dealing with a number of apparently random shootings, lately.

Highway shooting leaves one person dead, another critically injured in KCK - KansasCity.com

driving scared: spate of random shootings


After what has happened, I wonder what the ethnicity of the highway shootings are.

[Bruv]

For information only this has 386 replies on SF.

Not all Jewish victims it seems. Link

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1451763 wrote: For information only this has 386 replies on SF.

Not all Jewish victims it seems. Link
Nope. only one of those killed was Jewish, though the two non-Jewish victims were in the parking lot of a Jewish community center.

He probably did not stop and ask them, before shooting them.



In the first reports, the police said, Officials said they don't think Miller knew the victims. They have declined to say if they think the attack was motivated by anti-Semitism but they are investigating the possibility it was a hate crime.




I think the "Heil Hitler" was the only real clue that it might be.

I think the guy was just a nut, or perhaps he had thought he might get the police to shoot him. A "Suicide by Police" kind of thing.

He didn't want to go out as just another sad old codger.

Just another nutcase, I think.

[tude dog]

Bruv;1451763 wrote: For information only this has 386 replies on SF.

Not all Jewish victims it seems. Link


Thank you very much for that very informative link from the Council of Conservative Citizens.

The Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC) is an American political organization that supports a large variety of conservative and paleoconservative causes in addition to white nationalism,[1] and white separatism.[2] Several members of the CofCC Board of Directors are former leaders of the segregationist Citizens' Councils of America, founded by Major Bob Patterson, which is commonly referred to as the White Citizens' Council.[3] The organization is headquartered in St. Louis, Missouri. Other US states with active chapters include Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, California and New York. Sporadic CofCC activities occur in other parts of the country as well.


No doubt that helps in a fuller understanding of the recent event in KCK

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[AnneBoleyn]

Lars: "He probably did not stop and ask them, before shooting them."

I doubt if that's something I'd admit to, depending upon the situation.

[tude dog]

AnneBoleyn;1451767 wrote: Lars: "He probably did not stop and ask them, before shooting them."

I doubt if that's something I'd admit to, depending upon the situation.


Deny, deny, deny.



See how far that gets you if you look Jewish.

[Bruv]

Just asking Mr Tude, if the CofCC told you your house was on fire.................you wouldn't evacuate quickly?

[tude dog]

Bruv;1451773 wrote: Just asking Mr Tude, if the CofCC told you your house was on fire.................you wouldn't evacuate quickly?


no.

[Bruv]

Would you have phoned a friend?

[AnneBoleyn]

tude dog;1451772 wrote: Deny, deny, deny.



See how far that gets you if you look Jewish.


That's actually funny. Don Rickles told a joke that Sammy said he'd meet him at the Temple during High Holy Days. "It will be so crowded, I don't want you not to find me", said Sammy, "I'll be sitting in the front." Of course Don said it better.

In the late '70's I was meeting my German boyfriend, in Germany. My mother was scared & wanted to buy me a big cross. If you knew my mom, you'd know how strange that was! I didn't take her up on it.

In Zurich, late '60's, drinking with friends in a bar, where all the conversation was in Swiss German, a drunken man stands up, points at me & yells "Juden!" He later became a great friend. Just foolin' around. He said he could tell I was a Jew because the whites of our eyes aren't as white as white people, have a yellowish tinge. I have not found that to be true, but who knows? In Vino Veritas.

[tude dog]

Bruv;1451777 wrote: Would you have phoned a friend?


Dude, this is nutty.

I am sorry that I answered your question if the CofCC told you your house was on fire.................you wouldn't evacuate quickly?.

I don't like this game and don't want to play anymore.

[Bruv]

Are you Jewish Anne?

[AnneBoleyn]

If the CofCC told him to evacuate because of a fire it would be to get him to come out so they could shoot him. Played that game before. NoSirree!

[AnneBoleyn]

Bruv;1451782 wrote: Are you Jewish Anne?


Is that a gas cannister in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

[Bruv]

My question was probably not the best way to pose the dilemna.

It was a simple device to see who you think you can trust for your life changing information.

I don't live in a world with armed nutters roaming the street, trying to flush people from their homes so they can shoot them more easily.

It is me that is the naive one.....................thankfully.



I will weight News from any and every source.

[AnneBoleyn]

In my Oxford Pub, Oranges & Lemons (on St. Clemens) a young lady with a blue streak in her hair asked me if I were Jewish. I said Yes. She said she could "tell", as she was Jewish too, & did not know many others. We usually can suss each other out, by some sense. We became great friends, & she was so glad to know me. Never once in UK did I ever fear any violence from any direction for any reason. Oh, it's not crime free, I was robbed, twice, & I was never robbed anywhere else in my life. But violence? I never felt it from anyone, anywhere I travelled. You are a lovely bunch, you are, & being & living in England are amongst my sweetest memories of life. Yes, you can be thankful for your peaceful existence.

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1451787 wrote: My question was probably not the best way to pose the dilemna.

It was a simple device to see who you think you can trust for your life changing information.

I don't live in a world with armed nutters roaming the street, trying to flush people from their homes so they can shoot them more easily.

It is me that is the naive one.....................thankfully.

I will weight News from any and every source.


The problem, of course, is figuring out what is news, and what is opinion.

Though getting several perspectives on the subject is never a bad idea.

[Bruv]

It just tickeled my funny bone, somebody screaming "Fire...Fire....Fire" and Tude wanting verification from a reliable source.

Give me all the biased and opinionated 'News' you can throw at me, let me work it out myself.

My own parents gave me poor opinon with the best intention.

[Mark Aspam]

LarsMac;1451764 wrote: Nope. only one of those killed was Jewish, though the two non-Jewish victims were in the parking lot of a Jewish community center.

He probably did not stop and ask them, before shooting them. According to NBC Nightly News, if I heard correctly, the grandfather and grandson were Methodists and the lady visiting the retirement home was Catholic - her parish priest was interviewed briefly.

[LarsMac]

So far, this seems to be a random shooting. I suspect the "Suicide by Police" was his intention with the only common point being that he picked Jewish locations, so it would appear to be religious/political.

[Mark Aspam]

LarsMac;1451802 wrote: So far, this seems to be a random shooting. I suspect the "Suicide by Police" was his intention with the only common point being that he picked Jewish locations, so it would appear to be religious/political.That doesn't seem likely, given the man's personal history.

[tude dog]

Mark Aspam;1451811 wrote: That doesn't seem likely, given the man's personal history.


I tend to agree.





Though there is no end to the evidence of this man’s bigotry,

In southwest Missouri, people wonder how Frazier Glenn Miller’s vitriol turned to violence

But the Army veteran who fought in Vietnam always seemed to limit his anger and extremist beliefs to words, sending out hate-filled fliers, submitting letters to newspaper editors and throwing out a threat or two. Some people in this southwest Missouri town dismissed him as crazy.

Until Sunday.

[snip]

What gnaws at those who have studied Miller and followed his views and actions over the years is one simple question: Why now?

“He’s been pretty quiet,” said Richard Witthuhn, the police chief of Aurora and Marionville in southwest Missouri, a three-hour drive from Kansas City. “In fact, in the last couple months my officers asked if he’s been around.”

Miller was low key in recent years, said Bolivar Police Chief Mark Webb, who was at the Marionville department from 2009 to early 2013. For authorities, Miller was “kind of off the radar.”

“He’s always spouted the rhetoric, the anti-Semitic, anti-everything,” Webb said. “Who knows what triggered it?”

And why the Kansas City area?

Miller, 73, who also uses the name Frazier Glenn Cross, lived in rural Aurora with his wife in a neat, gray, one-story house at a T-intersection northwest of Marionville.

[snip]

Miller had lived in the Aurora area for years, but neighbors did not know him well. Still, they knew him well enough to have an opinion.

“Probably nobody was really surprised,” said Bill Robinson, who works at Hillbilly Gas Mart on U.S. 60. “We had all seen the papers he passed out.”

Miller, a former truck driver, distributed a white-supremacist publication written by another Missouri man.

A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization that held a rally last fall in Kansas City, said the organization was appalled at Sunday’s tragedy.

“It’s horrible, that whole situation,” said Brian Culpepper, the movement’s public relations director, who doesn’t think Miller attended the local rally. “We don’t condone acts of violence against any individual or group. I mean, come on. It undoes every good thing that we try to do politically and culturally.

“This just smears and makes everybody’s lives more difficult. It’s a tragedy for the families and everything.”

Kansas City Star

[LarsMac]

Mark Aspam;1451811 wrote: That doesn't seem likely, given the man's personal history.


Would like to hear your reasoning for that.



Well, we shall see.

Either that, or he had some specific dealings with those people he shot, that will come out in an investigation.

He is 73 and probably facing failing health, and wanted to make a statement on his way out.

We will probably never know.

[AnneBoleyn]

"A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization that held a rally last fall in Kansas City, said the organization was appalled at Sunday’s tragedy.

“It’s horrible, that whole situation,” said Brian Culpepper, the movement’s public relations director, who doesn’t think Miller attended the local rally. “We don’t condone acts of violence against any individual or group. I mean, come on. It undoes every good thing that we try to do politically and culturally.

“This just smears and makes everybody’s lives more difficult. It’s a tragedy for the families and everything.” "

Wonder what good thing they've ever done. Insane, ludicrous statement. Obviously this guy has no critical thinking ability. What a load.

[tude dog]

AnneBoleyn;1451849 wrote: "A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization that held a rally last fall in Kansas City, said the organization was appalled at Sunday’s tragedy.

“It’s horrible, that whole situation,” said Brian Culpepper, the movement’s public relations director, who doesn’t think Miller attended the local rally. “We don’t condone acts of violence against any individual or group. I mean, come on. It undoes every good thing that we try to do politically and culturally.

“This just smears and makes everybody’s lives more difficult. It’s a tragedy for the families and everything.” "

Wonder what good thing they've ever done. Insane, ludicrous statement. Obviously this guy has no critical thinking ability. What a load.


I buy that you can be a racist and not condone murder.

I don't like Democrats, would never murder one.

[Mark Aspam]

LarsMac;1451845 wrote: 1. Would like to hear your reasoning for that.



2. Either that, or he had some specific dealings with those people he shot, that will come out in an investigation.

3. He is 73 and probably facing failing health, and wanted to make a statement on his way out.

4. We will probably never know.1. I'm not sure what you want here. He has a long history of racial and religious intolerance.

2. Specific dealings with a Methodist grandfather, his young grandson, and an unrelated Catholic woman, and he tracked them all down within a couple of hours to two Jewish establishments?

3. Well, on behalf of us 73-year-olds, we're mostly pretty spry. My grandparents lived well into their 80's and a beloved aunt, my dad's sister, passed away a few years ago at 96.

4. Whyzat? On the contrary, I would guess that his background, trial, conviction, and possible execution will be covered by the media quite thoroughly.

[AnneBoleyn]

tude dog;1451860 wrote: I buy that you can be a racist and not condone murder.

I don't like Democrats, would never murder one.


Whew. Feel so much safer now.

[LarsMac]

Mark Aspam;1451861 wrote: 1. I'm not sure what you want here. He has a long history of racial and religious intolerance.

2. Specific dealings with a Methodist grandfather, his young grandson, and an unrelated Catholic woman, and he tracked them all down within a couple of hours to two Jewish establishments?

3. Well, on behalf of us 73-year-olds, we're mostly pretty spry. My grandparents lived well into their 80's and a beloved aunt, my dad's sister, passed away a few years ago at 96.

4. Whyzat? On the contrary, I would guess that his background, trial, conviction, and possible execution will be covered by the media quite thoroughly.


Well, looking at his mugshot, I see someone not so spry at 73.

Jewish community shootings: Frazier Glenn Cross makes first court appearance | Fox News

My question to you was why you thought the suicide notion "...doesn't seem likely, given the man's personal history." An interesting choice of words.

He's a nutcase. Always has been, it seems.

And no, I doubt he had any specific dealings with those victims. He just drove to a place where he expected to see Jews, and shot the first person/people he saw.

I have no idea what was going through his head, and doubt anyone will make any sense of his actions. But then, had he actually wanted a confrontation with the police, he would have stuck around, maybe shooting more people, until they arrived.

My only concern there is that it sounds like the prosecutor wants to charge him with First degree murder. That requires proof that he acted with forethought and planning. This seems so totally random, that a decent lawyer could shoot that down.

I doubt his trial and conviction will get much national attention. He will just fade away. A deserving end, I think.

[tude dog]

AnneBoleyn;1451872 wrote: Whew. Feel so much safer now.


uh, I misspoke.

I really can't say I dislike Democrats. After all I married one.

Is that considered patronizing?:-3

[Mark Aspam]

LarsMac;1451874 wrote: t sounds like the prosecutor wants to charge him with First degree murder. That requires proof that he acted with forethought and planning. This seems so totally random, that a decent lawyer could shoot that down.

I doubt his trial and conviction will get much national attention. He will just fade away. A deserving end, I think.As a convicted felon, he's not allowed to own or possess a firearm, so that makes it three counts of felony murder at the LEAST.

Had he shot only one person, he MIGHT have pled 'impulse', probably unsuccessfully, but driving to a different location and repeating the crime would seem to rule that out, that is not 'impulse'.

But it's really not a matter for argument, the trial, sentencing and possible execution will play out as they will. There are lots of possibilities, he might find a way to hang himself in his cell or something equally macabre.

[AnneBoleyn]

tude dog;1451875 wrote: uh, I misspoke.

I really can't say I dislike Democrats. After all I married one.

Is that considered patronizing?:-3


Why am I not surprised? I "felt" your lovely wife is a Democrat. I just "knew". Is it patronizing? No, she's just having a good laugh! I wouldn't call her patronizing!!!!!!!!!

[Týr]

As an aside, Europe is still not immune to historical prejudice...Residents in the Spanish village of Castrillo Matajudos (Castrillo Kill the Jews) will vote on Saturday on whether it's time to change the name of their small hamlet in the province of Burgos to something a little less offensive.

Spanish village called 'Kill the Jews' mulls rebranding exercise