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The one thing that draws parrallels In all of these cases, Is that the Asian groomers target young girls from deprived area's, 'troubled upbringings' and 'unsettled homes'.

Given the amount of trials we are have seen and understand there are more trials to come, Is It about time we dropped the fear of racial unrest or being branded racist and start warning children In school of grooming by Asian gangs and how to be aware?

Gang of men 'groomed vulnerable Oxford girls as young as 11 for sex before beating them with meat cleavers and baseball bats' | Mail Online

Given that the police are now investigating child abuse by members of the Tory party going back to the 1980s according to the BBC News 24 channel, and also the long term abuse by Jimmy Savile shouldn't we also warn them about white men?

Or perhaps the old warning about not trusting strangers in general covers it and a knee jerk reaction pointing the finger at any one ethnic group just makes childen MORE vulnerable to evil men who are not from that group.

Clodhopper;1417037 wrote: Given that the police are now investigating child abuse by members of the Tory party going back to the 1980s according to the BBC News 24 channel, and also the long term abuse by Jimmy Savile shouldn't we also warn them about white men?

Or perhaps the old warning about not trusting strangers in general covers it and a knee jerk reaction pointing the finger at any one ethnic group just makes childen MORE vulnerable to evil men who are not from that group.


I don't agree with your logic,

The Tory Party members, Savile and the Labour Party members and even other Tv celebs being Investigated are from a variety of professions. Others convicted of child abuse are from a variety of professions.

The trials that have taken place and future trials are specifically related to grooming and only Involve white children... girls.... Other child abuse cases Including those of Tory Party members Included abuse against boys.

All Asian grooming trials have common denominators ie, all were young white girls, all came from deprived area's, all came from troubled families. Other child abusers are opportunists where as all of these victims were targeted.

As for knee jerk reaction... are you saying you think no measures should be oput in place to warn young girls that this Is happening?

Show some evidence then of grooming on a mass scale by any other ethnic group.

Breaking news on BBC. But the report specified long term abuse based in a lodging house in Barnes involving a children's home nearby and going on for a long time. Decades were mentioned. But it is an early report, which I mentioned because it is relevant.

I do not know of mass cases because I have not looked into it.

And your logic is poor - what the cases I mentioned have in common is that all the people mentioned are white (except possibly one or two tories). If we should warn children about the risk of Asian grooming rings should we not also warn them about Tory Party members and tv celebrities? Come to that should we warn people never to trust Americans or Italians because of the Mafia? After all, you are saying we should warn children not to trust Asians because of grooming rings.

Every ethnic group on earth can be stigmatised by this method.

You're completely missing the point...

We are not talking about abuse cases per say but GROOMING... carried out by GANGS

Now try and find cases of child abuse where GANGS GROOMED the victims and where there are cases other than Asian grooming gangs where gang after gang of one ethnic minority Is now coming to trial on a regular basis.

You are so blinkered that all you see Is some slur on the Asian community and It's not.... I happen to believe that children In school should be made aware of exactly how gangs begin grooming and where It can lead whatever the ethnicity . All the time people like you scream racist because even the politicians and social workers are now discussing weather girls should be warned In school, you are potentially putting more girls In possible danger.

White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw | World news | guardian.co.uk

Yet again the girls that complained to the police about it were not taken seriously because they were low status women. In this case, were in care. It's not just Pakistanis that view some women as easy targets nor is it just asian gangs

Connors family case shows that Britain must fight slave trade - Telegraph

In so far as people think about slavery at all, they think of young women trafficked into bordellos, kept for a few months and then set free. But over the past few years, it has become increasingly clear that British slaves are entering the mix. The Salvation Army recently released a report on the victims that it helps; while most were foreign, there were eight Britons. Some had been transported within the country; others sent abroad. Even though 84 per cent of trafficking prosecutions are for sex offences, the Salvation Army found two male victims for every three women, suggesting that male slavery is being dangerously overlooked.




You're picking on one aspect of this that shouldn't be ignored but it is only one. When you have authorities that clearly have a mind set that the victims were in some way asking for it and don't take complaints seriously this is going to happen time and time again.

Mad Muslim ‘modesty patrols’ target ‘provocative’ advertising signs – in London

I think it's due in part to those stone age religion we still have around that see sex as the original sin and we were cast out of paradise because adam had no self control. Rape and child abuse must be the only crimes where being led on or tempted is seen as an excuse.

Opinions about another Asian phenominum in the UK

Bruv;1417070 wrote: Opinions about another Asian phenominum in the UK






This is nothing new Bruv and not a phenominum

Anjem Choudary and Islamic extremists set up Sharia law zones in UK cities | Mail Online

This happened In 2011 .It's been happening all over the country and police simply tear down the posters. I've even seen a sign saying ' No whites' on an ethnic estate In Leciester. Most don't make the news because It's In the main signs and posters but when Intimidation is used, the police have to act...

The problem as I see It is simply two extremely diverse cultures that Labour believed would have some kind of multi-cultral Eutopia. When the Koran states that the prophet Muhammad took his wife when she was 9 years old and much of the Koran speaks of divide and conquer, It may explain some of the things we are seeing now. Yet when these things are highlighted, people like Clodhopper scream racism and post 30 year old clips of Nick Griffin. The reality Is, It's because of people like Clod who are so quick to accuse anyone of racism because they do highlight these problems that things like this have got way out of hand and more girls are becoming victims. What we've seen so far In the Asian Grooming trials Is only the tip of the Iceberg and I know of 6 other cases due for trials.

Labour's report Into Immigration was deeply flawed due to not taking Into account dependants and future dependants.

All Muslim's In this country attended the Mosque where as not all Christians go to church.... this Is relevant to what happened to me very recently...

I had to have a taxi over the past few weeks with a young 20 something taxi driver. The journey was up to 3 hours there and 3 hours back early morning and evening so I was in a car with him every day for up to 6 hours. It was the same driver because It was a contract job.

It started off pleasant enough and then he began telling me amongst other things that,

There was a conspiricy by Uk police to only arrest Asian men.

Then over the week, It became more and more radical and I was told that;

Mary Mother of Jesus was Impregnated by a Muslim.

It was the Muslims who saved Jesus from the cross.

Christianity was a dying faith and Sharia Law would rule the UK by 20 years...

In the end after being polite for days, I asked him where he was getting this from given that there were no Muslims until the 7th century...

It turned out he was told this at his Mosque...

Then he spent days telling me why Pakistan was a better country and basically slated everything about the UK and I was actually becoming offended at the level of hatred being shown to my people and my country.... but hey, god forbid we complain about people like this, we're all racist eh ?

We have another problem here related to Asian gangs...

Muslims are at the heart of a dog-fighting epidemic in the UK

Muslims are at the heart of a dog fighting epidemic...

Clodhopper;1417041 wrote: After all, you are saying we should warn children not to trust Asians because of grooming rings.

Every ethnic group on earth can be stigmatised by this method.


All young girls should be made aware In school of recognising the signs of grooming. If that means making them aware that If an older Asian man suddenly begins taking an Interest In them and that saves future 11 year old girls from being raped, then so be It..... namby pamby liberal loonie attitudes will cost more victims.



Police aware of Rotherham child sex grooming for years: The Bureau of Investigative Journalism

Not forgetting of course Clod that when the BNP were contacted after the Charlene Downs case, you phoned a detective In the North who told you that the BNP were lying and nothing of the sort was happening.... what a mug !!!

British National Party Television » charlene downes

Never mind.... you keep believing your detective :wah::wah::wah:

In one such case, a 13-year-old was found by police with clothing in disarray, at 3am in a house with several men. She had been fed vodka by them. None of the men were questioned; she was arrested for being drunk and disorderly.


We also have a culture where some people are classed as being of little worth be they in care, from a housing estate call it racism or class the basic attitude is the same. You do have a point but you are missing a broader picture imo. or maybe just labouring it:-3

Atos told incontinent woman to ‘wear nappy’ - Home News - UK - The Independent

It's not just muslims it seems we are seeing a situation where any criticism of religion and it's effects is becoming illegal and the godly are becoming more assertive. Never mind what we do you should do what we tell you mindset has never gone away. They all seem to be combining to attack secular society.

BBC NEWS | UK | Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'

But Dr Williams said an approach to law which simply said "there's one law for everybody and that's all there is to be said, and anything else that commands your loyalty or allegiance is completely irrelevant in the processes of the courts - I think that's a bit of a danger".




What did he miss about then protestant reformation and the age of enlightenment. If all are equal in the eyes of god then all are equal all should be equal on earth so how does allowing a misogynistic stone age set of laws help things? The law is a way to defend the weak from the powerful there is no social justice where there is religion.

It is religion IMO, afro Caribbean received the same hostility but by and large mix fairly well nowadays they were basically similar culture and religion to us. (Craig charles' parents met when his afro Caribbean father met his irish mother outside a boarding house in Liverpool had a sign no irish no blacks. I think that's a great story).

gmc;1417086 wrote: We also have a culture where some people are classed as being of little worth be they in care, from a housing estate call it racism or class the basic attitude is the same. You do have a point but you are missing a broader picture imo. or maybe just labouring it:-3

Atos told incontinent woman to ‘wear nappy’ - Home News - UK - The Independent

It's not just muslims it seems we are seeing a situation where any criticism of religion and it's effects is becoming illegal and the godly are becoming more assertive. Never mind what we do you should do what we tell you mindset has never gone away. They all seem to be combining to attack secular society.

BBC NEWS | UK | Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'



What did he miss about then protestant reformation and the age of enlightenment. If all are equal in the eyes of god then all are equal all should be equal on earth so how does allowing a misogynistic stone age set of laws help things? The law is a way to defend the weak from the powerful there is no social justice where there is religion.

It is religion IMO, afro Caribbean received the same hostility but by and large mix fairly well nowadays they were basically similar culture and religion to us. (Craig charles' parents met when his afro Caribbean father met his irish mother outside a boarding house in Liverpool had a sign no irish no blacks. I think that's a great story).


Taken from your article:

He stresses that "nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that's sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well".

We now see several major cities where the White British Is the are In the minority.

White Britons are now a minority in 4 towns and cities | UK | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

Just by birth rates, this will continue and when you have every single Muslim attending the mosque being told what my tai driver was told, It's why some become radical and you see Muslim patrols as Bruv posted, although that's nothing new.

I know that If I had sat In that taxi and attacked his country and faith as he did mine, I'd be In trouble. One of the best he told me was that the Taliban fought Russia because America was too scared. !!!!

We have to accept that because of the amount of Muslims now In this country, the more difficult the divide between diverse cultures will become. We have Asian grooming gangs, Asian dog fighting rings, Honour Killings, Halal butcheries, arranged marraiges and the push for Sharia law will Increase.

Those who scream racist at anyone who dares mention these things has allowed this to happen.

The difference with the Afro Caribbeans Is that they adopted the British way of life. Some Muslims simply refuse to do that and like my taxi driver, expect the UK to change beyond recognition and turn our country Into the ME Instead of adapting.

If they did away with separate schooling and not translate everything so people have to learn English print anything we might by now have had a generation that saw themselves as part of the country rather than a wee enclave surrounded by hostile infidels. It's religion - look at northern ireland, separate schooling turns out bigots.

When I was at primary school they built a catholic school and I found a lot of my friends would be going to a different school for no reason that made any sense - at age seven the nuances are completely meaningless. Two months later on there were regular fights as the two sides clashed on the way home. Most of those involved didn't know why they just thought that is what you did. That's why you have ten year olds throwing stones at the polce in northern ireland - it's just what you are expected to do.

gmc;1417134 wrote: If they did away with separate schooling and not translate everything so people have to learn English print anything we might by now have had a generation that saw themselves as part of the country rather than a wee enclave surrounded by hostile infidels. It's religion - look at northern ireland, separate schooling turns out bigots.

When I was at primary school they built a catholic school and I found a lot of my friends would be going to a different school for no reason that made any sense - at age seven the nuances are completely meaningless. Two months later on there were regular fights as the two sides clashed on the way home. Most of those involved didn't know why they just thought that is what you did. That's why you have ten year olds throwing stones at the polce in northern ireland - it's just what you are expected to do.


When I was on Housing, one meeting descended Into a farce over a leaflet being sent out to Council tenants. some wanted to spend thousands having the leaflets translated Into 57 languages which would have made It a small book. The leaflet was to Invite council tenants to an open day to discuss any problems they had. I pointed out that If they did translate the leaflet, they would then have to hire up to 57 translators to be at the meeting to translate what the council were saying. Because I veto'd the expenditure, I was called a racist by a Somalian woman,

Oh the Irony... this article calls for social services, social workers and police to be better trained to spot and manage the abuse.

AN alarming number of under-age girls – some as young as nine – are being forced into marriage in Islington, according to a leading campaign group.

The Iranian and Kurdish Women’s Rights Organisation (IKWRO) claim that at least 30 girls in the borough were forced into marriage in 2010.

The practice was condemned by the Imam of Finsbury Park Mosque, who said such marriages were against Islam and “unacceptable.

He pledged to invalidate any marriage which he said were carried out by “back-street Imams.

IKWRO, which made headlines last month when they revealed there had been almost 3,000 “honour-based violence cases in 2010, has shown the Tribune records which revealed at least three 11-year-old girls and two nine-year-olds had been forced into marriage with older men within Islington. The oldest girls involved were 16.

They have warned that hundreds of Islington girls could be suffering sexual, emotional and physical scars as a result of the child marriages every year and are calling for teachers, social workers and police to be better trained to spot and manage the abuse.

Islington girls forced into marriage at the age of nine | Islington Tribune

You guys have a real problem if this is the attitude of these people

In a reply to the story above



By the way there are 12-13 having sex before marriage and getting pregnant all over the country. Just another angle to the arguement that's all. Is this any worse than those 11/12 year olds, some even younger, unmarried but having children?? By the way these 12-13 yr old kids are native Brits and not Muslims. Shock shock horror! Its interesting that there is outrage and rightly so but underage sex is virtually the norm in the country.Just look at the number of kids having sex and teenage pregnancies. Why the hypocrisy. So if chav teenagers want to start having sex at 12 and then have new sexual partners every few weeks for years and years until they have lost count, that's fine, but if a girl consents to marry at 12 that's somehow evil? Sorry, I don't buy that. If being with a person of the same sex is fine then why is it wrong to be with a person under 16? I thought it was live and let live? Has any parent who has allowed their under-16 daughter to sleep with her boyfriend in their home ever been prosecuted, even though there must be thousands of examples occurring every night? Every day numerous teenagers are allowed into each others bedrooms by liberal parents without an eyelid being batted. Teenagers are having sex the choice is whether it is on wedlock or not.

People complaining about this when British teens get pregnant at 15 not knowing who the father is? Hypocrites.

What about the 12/13 year olds who get pregnant and have babies? What about gypsy brides who marry at a young age.. Yet again you uneducated, negative miserable Brits are so quick to pass judgement and make negative comments .. The lowest age in Christian marriage was 4 it was performed in the early 1800s. When teens get pregnant at 15 not knowing who the father is, a lot of the time the act of sleeping with someone was their choice.

Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution beg to differ. Plenty of young girls have had, are having and will continue to have babies, enough of them will be pushing prams down your high street this morning, most of whom will not be Muslim. If they weren't capable, they wouldn't be able to have them. As for being psychologically prepared - what has age to do with psychology? Don't forget, the age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10 - which means, that were a ten year old to commit an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, they would be deemed culpable. So, please don't start talking about biology, psychology or anything scientific. This is not about science, it is about the Law and religion.

I don't see any uproar when people of that age have sex.

British girls can have have sex have abortions have alcohol problmes behaviour problems but muslims girls decide to get married respectfully and have sex and have children and be happy with both families is a problem in Britian? If Muslim parents would make their daughters think this is right thing to do...it is still much better than what British teenage girls do with their lives. I don't think of British people to be so double standard and with such a little intelllect? hmmm..

Many Muslims do not see the issue of forced or child marriage as a 'debatable' Sharia issue at all, but a Muslim's right or even his obligation. Opinions vary between Sects and Imams. One Muslim cannot speak for all Muslims it would appear as the Muslims on this site have said 'this is not Islam'. Well clearly it is. Maybe not your Islam but others are lining up waving flags for these ideas.

Iftikhar Ahmad

http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk