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I had the privileged to attend the opening day for several classes in the human studies wing. One of note was human sexuality, a 2 level course mainly taken by freshmen for the major degrees as a common core.

This is a major state university. I'll refrain from where, but it is not the Bay Area or any other perceived "highly liberal" colleges.

The instructor asked the 300 students in the lecture hall to say out loud all the words used to describe the words she would call out. She wanted a boisterous response and encouraged everyone to participate and not hold back.

The group of 18-19 year-old's began giggling and squirming a bit.

She (instructor) shouted "penis" and the responses were quick.."dick, johnson, chubby, cock, love muscle etc."

Next she shouted "love making" and the shouts were even louder..."****ing, banging, boning, etc."

This went on to include oral sex, anal sex, masturbation, bestiality, and a few other topics including tools and devices. The class was transformed into both a whispering and giggling frenzy.

She stated the reason was to get everyone comfortable with their own sexuality and to be able to openly discuss it in a group format. She also told the class they would be watching a porno video halfway through the course and critiquing the foreplay and main event as well as the reactions and orgasms of the actors.

I singled out some foreign exchange students by their body language and asked for their thoughts on the class. All but two (I talked with 10-12 students, some in groups), said they were embarrassed and were very nervous about the upcoming week's topics. I asked if this was common-place in their cultures and they went on to talk about their amazement of what is openly discussed in America.

I found this interesting. For many reasons.

I am curious to attend the "porn viewing".

Unless you can cite the college, course and instructor this is just another one of your BS threads.

Is 18 - 19 the first time sex is spoken about in an educational setting?

Just sharing an experience I thought was interesting.

halfway;1416348 wrote: Just sharing an experience I thought was interesting.I doubt your experience.

I was really surprised at the reaction by the foreign students. 2 were Bosnian, 5 were Pakistani, and the rest Japanese. It was an interesting observation of a social experience.

I wonder how this effected their opinions of America and Americans.

Betty Boop;1416338 wrote: Is 18 - 19 the first time sex is spoken about in an educational setting?


I would really doubt that. Wouldn't you?

halfway;1416354 wrote: I would really doubt that. Wouldn't you?


I would hope so! Just seems quite an immature way of reacting to the tutor. The 18 to 19 year olds I went to University with a few years ago were in no way fazed or reduced to giggles over any 'sexual' references used, in fact they were prepared and happy to discuss anything sexual in an incredibly in-depth manner with not one person being embarrassed.

halfway;1416353 wrote: I was really surprised at the reaction by the foreign students. 2 were Bosnian, 5 were Pakistani, and the rest Japanese. It was an interesting observation of a social experience.

I wonder how this effected their opinions of America and Americans.


Not sure about the bosnian - presumably they were muslim. Japan and pakistan are as sexually repressed as america. Had the student been from holland or a scandanivian country where they start sex education in primary school and have a more open attitude to sex education they might more likely have found the whole episode rather childish.

Interesting how you can single out foreign exchange students by their body language I can spot Pakistani or Japanese quite easily with just a brief glance.

Betty Boop;1416357 wrote: I would hope so! Just seems quite an immature way of reacting to the tutor. The 18 to 19 year olds I went to University with a few years ago were in no way fazed or reduced to giggles over any 'sexual' references used, in fact they were prepared and happy to discuss anything sexual in an incredibly in-depth manner with not one person being embarrassed.


Maybe re-read the post. I'm not sure what you are looking for from me, but I thought it was interesting. I also found it interesting in how the foreign students reacted.

It's not my call on "if" they have talked sex before, but I am quite certain it has never been under the circumstances they were involved in.

I have no arguments, just presenting what I observed.

No Betty, they hear about sex in health classes. The 6th graders are currently going through these lessons...............

gmc;1416360 wrote: Not sure about the bosnian - presumably they were muslim. Japan and pakistan are as sexually repressed as america. Had the student been from holland or a scandanivian country where they start sex education in primary school and have a more open attitude to sex education they might more likely have found the whole episode rather childish.

Interesting how you can single out foreign exchange students by their body language I can spot Pakistani or Japanese quite easily with just a brief glance.


No, it's not interesting that I can single out exchange students, just an observation that is pretty easy to do. We have many exchange students from many nations.

I am unclear why you are now making this about race. Apparently the observation I brought forward was not enough for you.

Betty Boop;1416357 wrote: I would hope so! Just seems quite an immature way of reacting to the tutor. The 18 to 19 year olds I went to University with a few years ago were in no way fazed or reduced to giggles over any 'sexual' references used, in fact they were prepared and happy to discuss anything sexual in an incredibly in-depth manner with not one person being embarrassed.


They start sex ed in 4th grade and get explicit by 6th grade. Maybe sit on a PTA for a bit your local community. Just a suggestion, not a confrontation.

chonsigirl;1416366 wrote: No Betty, they hear about sex in health classes. The 6th graders are currently going through these lessons...............


What age is that? Maybe it's equivalent to the Year 6 my 10 year old daughter is in, she has Sex Education classes this year in preparation for moving to Secondary school.



I guess I just find the reaction you describe Halfway as something I'd expect from 12 - 14 year olds, not adults.

Betty Boop;1416372 wrote: What age is that? Maybe it's equivalent to the Year 6 my 10 year old daughter is in, she has Sex Education classes this year in preparation for moving to Secondary school.



I guess I just find the reaction you describe Halfway as something I'd expect from 12 - 14 year olds, not adults.Or sexually repressed students at a christian fundamentalist school.

There's undoubtedly a reason HW wants to keep certain things a mystery.

11-12 year olds.

Betty Boop;1416372 wrote:



I guess I just find the reaction you describe Halfway as something I'd expect from 12 - 14 year olds, not adults.


One of my points as well.

Ahso!;1416375 wrote: Or sexually repressed students at a christian fundamentalist school.

There's undoubtedly a reason HW wants to keep certain things a mystery.


Wrong again ahso. You seem to make a habit of that.

Post your hometown, bank, bank account, and PIN, if you don't, you will be subject to interrogation and ridicule.

I do believe you are a "paid poster". Hope those nickels add up.

halfway;1416389 wrote: Wrong again ahso. You seem to make a habit of that.

Post your hometown, bank, bank account, and PIN, if you don't, you will be subject to interrogation and ridicule.

I do believe you are a "paid poster". Hope those nickels add up. :)Lancaster, Pa - Citizens Bank - USAA - Pentagon Federal Credit Union - 6202025178 - 8597.

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halfway;1416387 wrote: One of my points as well.


That's good then, I think I would have had to walk out of any seminar where my fellow students behaved like that. I wonder if the tutor had been male whether the response would have been different.

Halfway and Ahso, now is the time to stop bickering. You both have the 'ignore' feature available to you, please use it if you can't stop yourselves responding to one another.

Betty Boop;1416393 wrote: Halfway and Ahso, now is the time to stop bickering. You both have the 'ignore' feature available to you, please use it if you can't stop yourselves responding to one another.Who's bickering?

halfway;1416369 wrote: They start sex ed in 4th grade and get explicit by 6th grade. Maybe sit on a PTA for a bit your local community. Just a suggestion, not a confrontation.


I missed this one earlier, I know that my children receive sex education in year six, that's fine by me, sooner would be fine too given that both my eldest children have known the ins and outs from an early age directly from me as when they have asked questions. Before they start their sixth year at school I have provided them with books to take and read privately which has generally resulted in them approaching me to double check things and have a chat about what they have read.

The difference here is I am in the UK and you are in America, I believe, therefore our curriculum's differ.

I found the item of interest was the content and delivery.

I doubt a fundamentalist Christian school would go that route, but I am not familiar with their curriculum.

My review throughout the week is complete and now we will fumble about, pat each other on the back, and encourage everyone to keep up the good work.

Thanks for the comments....interesting to say the least.

Betty Boop;1416392 wrote: That's good then, I think I would have had to walk out of any seminar where my fellow students behaved like that. I wonder if the tutor had been male whether the response would have been different.


Actually, it was made clear that the response was what she wanted. She encouraged spirited responses and warned against withholding or restraint. It was part of her setting the tone for the course in which she desires a fully open discussion.

I am interested in how the porno viewing will be received.

Betty, how else would the class have reacted when she instructed them to yell out vulgarities for body parts, functions and activities?

And really, a porn movie? What's that supposed to teach them, how to fake an orgasm?

SnoozeAgain;1416402 wrote: Betty, how else would the class have reacted when she instructed them to yell out vulgarities for body parts, functions and activities?

And really, a porn movie? What's that supposed to teach them, how to fake an orgasm?


They evidently reacted the way the teacher wanted them to, it seems to me to be an exercise in getting it out of the way if that makes sense. It's the way I would expect a teacher to address a class of younger students to get the giggles and embarrassment out of the way. It's not how a tutor would address a class of mature students over here.

I propose the story in the OP is just that, a story - it never happened, and there won't be any porn movie being shown to these college students as part of any class or study. Utter nonsense.

The videos I saw in my Sexual Awareness class were very frank and graphic. Some would have passed as amateur porn. Others were instructional videos by porn actors. As I recall, the teacher occasionally used juvenile humor as a pressure valve. It was a freshman level class, but it was held at night, so there was a wide range of age, maturity levels, and moral hangups.

Here's an article that sounds suspiciously like the one described in the OP but the film wasn't a porno, it was an educational film. BIG honking difference.

Fresno State lecturer under fire for showing 'pornographic' film - latimes.com

I'm aware of human sexuality college classes but I doubt the instructor refers to videos as "porn" and those classes usually aren't required and so I'm suspicious of line about students being "nervous" about what the class offered.

I could be wrong, of course, but then I wonder why all the secrecy surrounding which college this is.

Thanks for the link - I read it.

Ahso!;1416436 wrote: I'm aware of human sexuality college classes but I doubt the instructor refers to videos as "porn" and those classes usually aren't required and so I'm suspicious of line about students being "nervous" about what the class offered.

I could be wrong, of course, but then I wonder why all the secrecy surrounding which college this is.

Thanks for the link - I read it.
It could be a lie - a complete fabrication made just to get your goat. I don't know.

The class I attended was required by Solano Community College (Solano Community College) or I wouldn't have taken it. I don't know if the teacher called any specific video porn, but an untrained eye would certainly have characterized some of what we watched as porn. Maybe some of us called it porn, I don't remember. Some of my classmates and I were a bit nervous after that first day and left the room chattering about just how far the teacher was going to go. He went much farther than I ever would have guessed.

How was the sexual awareness class you attended, Ahso?

I never really thought of myself as a prude but the first day of class (I don't even remember what the class title was but I believe it was some kind of "health" class) when I was in my mid 20s turned me off so much when the teacher mentioned "rimjob" that I never went back. You could tell she was really titillated to be discussing it, I think that was a big part of my disgust... besides licking someone's a-hole.

Accountable;1416437 wrote: It could be a lie - a complete fabrication made just to get your goat. I don't know.

The class I attended was required by Solano Community College (Solano Community College) or I wouldn't have taken it. I don't know if the teacher called any specific video porn, but an untrained eye would certainly have characterized some of what we watched as porn. Maybe some of us called it porn, I don't remember. Some of my classmates and I were a bit nervous after that first day and left the room chattering about just how far the teacher was going to go. He went much farther than I ever would have guessed.

How was the sexual awareness class you attended, Ahso?I didn't have one outside of H.S.. Wasn't interested in it. My major was business related.

The instructor said it would be a "classic" porn, not an educational vid. The syllabus calls for "sexually explicit visual materials review" during week 8.

Regarding the validity of my post. If you don't believe me, put me on ignore. I really don't need sour people responding to my threads with an accusation of dishonesty. I could post the name of the college class, the instructor, my name, and a video showing it, and some would still demand more proof. Those people tend to "demand" truth, but conveniently stand behind a lie if it fits their ideology or beliefs. Shame.

Regarding the name of the college: I share openly on a public forum, but I do not share information that reveals or creates linkage to myself or my family. This is a basic security issue that should be employed from a homeless person to a multimillionaire, from solitary worker to politician, from anonymous clerk to pop star. I would think that is obvious, but I am not judging. I am not going to compare manhood "size" nor am I going to be badgered by some anonymous troll who could very well be a spoiled dropout living in mom's basement or a 60 year old lonely, bitter man.

If you have been to college in the last 30 years, you understand the nature of the class, especially where we were headed at the time. Remember reading Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test? We are still pushing the limits of acceptability today. That is why we form committees to occasionally check course reaction and especially those of foreign students. Call it what you will, but it is business.

Of all the things accomplished in a day, I thought I would share this one as I had an opportunity to attend a class out of my field (as an observer) and thought it was interesting enough to share.

Naming a college and course or instructor would not expose your family or yourself to anything or anyone. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there are people you don't know all around you probably most of the day.

Everything I posted about myself can be gotten from a phone book or a check had I written you one. Other than the PIN that is, but then you'd need to pry my dead cold hands from around my bank card for that to mean anything to you.

Looks like a lot of people are viewing a thread when AFTR is watching. :wah:

Ahso!;1416445 wrote: Naming a college and course or instructor would not expose your family or yourself to anything or anyone.


That would be my decision for my reasons, not yours.

You can post your info all day. That is your choice.

Laughter is an emotional outlet. Sex, for women, is largely emotional as well as physical. If young women can’t giggle together at such a wonderful thing being spoken of in a clinical manner by a total stranger, what can they giggle at? In reality, I suspect many of them could teach the professor a few tricks. Their giggling seems much healthier to me than having them sit there pretending to be blasé & dignified. Wanting to laugh at an inappropriate time makes things seem even funnier which makes the need to laugh even stronger. Who hasn’t been there? They’re just young women ... let them giggle and be as silly as they like!

Ahso!;1416436 wrote: [QUOTE=Ahso!;1416424][QUOTE=Ahso!;1416350][QUOTE=Ahso!;1416336]Unless you can cite the college, course and instructor this is just another one of your BS threads.I doubt your experience.[/QUOTE]I propose the story in the OP is just that, a story - it never happened, and there won't be any porn movie being shown to these college students as part of any class or study. Utter nonsense.[/QUOTE]I'm aware of human sexuality college classes but I doubt the instructor refers to videos as "porn" and those classes usually aren't required and so I'm suspicious of line about students being "nervous" about what the class offered.


Ahso!;1416440 wrote: [QUOTE=Accountable;1416437]How was the sexual awareness class you attended, Ahso?


I didn't have one outside of H.S...


ijs

halfway;1416368 wrote: No, it's not interesting that I can single out exchange students, just an observation that is pretty easy to do. We have many exchange students from many nations.

I am unclear why you are now making this about race. Apparently the observation I brought forward was not enough for you.


British humour sometimes doesn't cross the pond especially when written. My apologies if it seemed racist, I was being facetious. I forget what a polyglot nation america is.

The first point was a serious one. Scandanavian countries have a far more liberal attitude to sex education certainly more so than bosnisn, pakistan and japanese or indeed amrican. It's religious and cultural differences I was referring to the racial aspect never even occurred to me. It's usually clothing that enables me to spot foreign tourists and often times guess the country of origin - subtle clothing and style differences that I would be hard pushed to explain.

Accountable;1416459 wrote: ijsWhat's this, checkmate or something? I can challenge an issue even though I've not taken a course on the subject at hand (I imagine you did a little childish giggling yourself, eh). I've read and digested the other posts that have lent credence to this thread. Part of the reason I have accepted those posts is due to who wrote them. Those people have credibility with me. However, so far, there's a credibility issue with HW's so called first hand experiences for several reasons, so I request verifiable evidence which I think is reasonable Yet HW comes up with unreasonable excuses not to offer proof for anything. Mind you, I'd have no problem if the discussion were based on a hypothetical situation and the issue the OP wanted discussed was clear. That isn't the case with his threads.

Among other issues; Here's a person who won't engage - even goes out of his way to dis posts and threads if wikipedia is offered as a source and rejects it out of hand because "academia" (which he claims to be one of) doesn't recognize wikipedia - [s]he doesn't offer any alternative sources and then turns around to post FOX News as one. That's laughable.

Ahso!;1416473 wrote:

Among other issues; Here's a person who won't engage - even goes out of his way to dis posts and threads if wikipedia is offered as a source and rejects it out of hand because "academia" (which he claims to be one of) doesn't recognize wikipedia - [s]he doesn't offer any alternative sources and then turns around to post FOX News as one. That's laughable.


Oh christ, I'm actually agreeing with Ahso. GAH!

Such anger and hate. Sad.

Please put me on ignore so as not to subject you to my crazy, hateful, hurtful, offensive, and nonsensical posts. I am obviously not worthy of your attention...so let it go.

And calm down. Life is too short to be so angry and bitter.

Enjoy life!

halfway;1416517 wrote: Such anger and hate. Sad.

Please put me on ignore so as not to subject you to my crazy, hateful, hurtful, offensive, and nonsensical posts. I am obviously not worthy of your attention...so let it go.

And calm down. Life is too short to be so angry and bitter.

Enjoy life! :)It's not anger and hate. This is a discussion forum where people exchange ideas and views but frank exchanges are essential to a forum working as it's intended.

Your inability to express yourself and misinterpret posts causes me to seriously doubt your claim to be any sort of educator. If you work in a university I'd guess it's in either security or maintenance.

As the poster of the OP and of my own personal experience, it is necessary to provide a disclaimer to dissuade any jumping of conclusions or attempt at subversion.

Disclaimer: The above statement was made by me and cannot be verified as true with wiki link, video, scientific study, personal verification, multiple witnesses or actual verbal communication. It is in fact an observation or an experienced opinion gathered over time and presented as a point of discussion.

In light of that, treat the statement as completely false, full of hidden political overtones, stabs at sexism, racism, bigotry, religious fanaticism, conservatism, marxism, nazisim, fascism, utopianism, pantysinabindism, gonnatakealeakism, and general don'tknowwhatthehellI'mtalkingaboutism.



I am in fact a 12 year-old living in my parents basement while working the local community college as a janitor or maintenance man. This of which some may consider to be a lowly profession. I however, am quite happy to do the work as it affords me time to peruse discussion boards of friendly folk and pleasant atmosphere. I am leaving room to question my sexual preference, gender, height, weight, shoe size, income, and political ideology.

>Insert next attack here<

While it's commendable that you're employed, your parents should be aware that there are child labor laws in this country.

SnoozeAgain;1416531 wrote: While it's commendable that you're employed, your parents should be aware that there are child labor laws in this country.


Damn! Another addition to the disclaimer.

......No child-labor laws were violated in the creation of this persona by my Transylvanian transsexual transvestite mother. Anyone have a problem with my mother's life choices and ethnicity?

Combined? No.