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BBC News - Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

I'm speechless, that poor nurse!

Shame on the Journalists ? How exactly ?

From what I understand, journalists had not named her In tabloids until now.

Journalists merely reported a breach of security at the hospital. The two people to blame, If anyone Is to blame, are the two moronic Australian radio presenters who staged the hoax In the first place leading to today's events.

I mean the show's presenters addled cold filled brain, evidently I found the wrong words, sorry.

I suspect she had some other issues because that's an incredibly stupid and meaningless reason to kill yourself.

SnoozeAgain;1411878 wrote: I suspect she had some other issues because that's an incredibly stupid and meaningless reason to kill yourself. I have to agree with you there.

SnoozeAgain;1411878 wrote: I suspect she had some other issues because that's an incredibly stupid and meaningless reason to kill yourself.


A self-perception of utter humiliation on the world stage, forced by circumstances over which one has no control? I doubt she had any such "other issues" and I reckon it's unfair for anyone to make such an assumption, it just adds to the insult she suffered.

One wonders why 2Day FM has pulled all their gloating brag-tales from their website over the last few hours.

She wasn't even the one that revealed state secrets, there was absolutely no reason for her to feel humiliated, if she actually did. She had the full support of her co-workers and supervisors. What could possibly have been so humiliating about that?

I reckon it's unfair to assume she was so fragile that something this ridiculous would send her over the edge where death looked more promising than living the horror of being peripherally involved in revealing someone had morning sickness. You DO realize how asinine this all sounds, don't you?

SnoozeAgain;1411885 wrote: She wasn't even the one that revealed state secrets, there was absolutely no reason for her to feel humiliated, if she actually did. She had the full support of her co-workers and supervisors. What could possibly have been so humiliating about that?

I reckon it's unfair to assume she was so fragile that something this ridiculous would send her over the edge where death looked more promising than living the horror of being peripherally involved in revealing someone had morning sickness. You DO realize how asinine this all sounds, don't you?


Further more, It was said on our news at 10 tonight that she had two children.... Why kill yourself and leave two children to this world when It wasn't even her that gave out the Info ? All she did was take the call and put It through to another nurse who went from there.

Until she was found hanged, the press had not even named her publically so no-one In the world knew her name.

SnoozeAgain;1411885 wrote: She wasn't even the one that revealed state secrets, there was absolutely no reason for her to feel humiliated, if she actually did. She had the full support of her co-workers and supervisors. What could possibly have been so humiliating about that?If you don't know, perhaps you've never been anywhere like that. Congratulations.

The chaps pulling the hoax are uncultured, it's that simple. Anyone who thinks what they did was amusing or trivial is equally so.

Hanged ?

Is that a rumour or has it been substantiated ?

No-one at all has even suggested that they think the hoax was amusing.

All the news sources today Including the BBC report the same thing.... that no-one knows the full reasons and the full circumstances.... let's wait until there Is solid facts.

She was not on a world stage or In the world media glare... no-one knew her name until today... prior, all reporting referred to her as ' One of Kate's nurses ',

Maybe the nurse that actually did tell them state secrets should be placed on suicide watch before she's tried for treason.

The original prank was a harmless childish stunt.

I can't get information out of my local hospital about relatives over the phone, the said lady merely passed the call onward, she shouldn't have done so, but the person she passed it to should have been more careful.

I would be concerned if the Nurse treating me or my relatives were not made of stronger stuff, that this minor error should push her over the edge.

Bruv;1411896 wrote: The original prank was a harmless childish stunt.

I can't get information out of my local hospital about relatives over the phone, the said lady merely passed the call onward, she shouldn't have done so, but the person she passed it to should have been more careful.

I would be concerned if the Nurse treating me or my relatives were not made of stronger stuff, that this minor error should push her over the edge. It's a hard fact of life that Doctors and nurses mess up every day. Wrong doses are given etc etc etc...that's why the NHS Is regually sued. ... they don't go hanging themselves....

If the caller had been challenged we would all be laughing about it now (most of us) .

Bruv;1411896 wrote: The original prank was a harmless childish stunt.
Then I'll ask again - why has 2Day FM pulled all their gloating brag-tales from their website over the last few hours, if that's so.

Týr;1411901 wrote: Then I'll ask again - why has 2Day FM pulled all their gloating brag-tales from their website over the last few hours, if that's so.


Because the harmless childish stunt had a tragic outcome.........you must keep up.....this is the real world

Týr;1411901 wrote: Then I'll ask again - why has 2Day FM pulled all their gloating brag-tales from their website over the last few hours, if that's so.


Because It's common sense. Prior to the announcement of the nurses apparent suicide, It was a successful prank and harmless. No-one could have imagined In their wildest dreams that some-one would die because of a telephone prank. After the nurse was found, It was In bad taste.

I would Imagine they have pulled all their gloating simply out of respect for the deceased. We don't know weather that Is the case. It's all guesswork so far. None the less, the gloating did not name the nurse. Her name had not been released until after her death.

Bruv;1411903 wrote: Because the harmless childish stunt had a tragic outcome.........you must keep up.....this is the real world


Perhaps you'd like to define harmless in this context.

Týr;1411905 wrote: Perhaps you'd like to define harmless in this context.


"In this context" as in in respect to the events that have unfolded since the original harmless stunt ?

Maybe snowball throwing might be too hardcore, so let us offer something like plaiting daisy chains in a meadow as a childish stunt ?

One of the poor children inadvertently suffers a fatal wasp sting.

Does that make daisy chain fabrication a dangerous pastime, or evil before the subsequent outcome?

There's cultured and then there's uncultured. The hoax was utterly uncultured. Bad cess on the prats involved.

Bruv;1411907 wrote: "In this context" as in in respect to the events that have unfolded since the original harmless stunt ?

Maybe snowball throwing might be too hardcore, so let us offer something like plaiting daisy chains in a meadow as a childish stunt ?

One of the poor children inadvertently suffers a fatal wasp sting.

Does that make daisy chain fabrication a dangerous pastime, or evil before the subsequent outcome?


In the media last week, an 85 year old woman suffered a heart attack and died after teenagers threw rocks at her windows. Similarly, those teenagers no doubt never envisaged that someone would die as a result of their actions so I agree with you.

There Is another aspect to this.... If St James Palace not have been so keen to Inform the media of Kate's hospitalisation, had they not have told the media which hospital she was In and had Kate gone Into a private clinic, then her privacy would have been adhered to. She choose to have her where-abouts broadcasted to the world which then led to a series of events. The chain of events that ultimately led to the nurse's death began with a press release from the palace as to Kate's exact location which then thus, enabled the radio presenters to acquire the number and phone In.

Týr;1411901 wrote: Then I'll ask again - why has 2Day FM pulled all their gloating brag-tales from their website over the last few hours, if that's so.


And how exactly did the world know which hospital Kate was In for them to obtain the number ?

Týr;1411909 wrote: There's cultured and then there's uncultured. The hoax was utterly uncultured. Bad cess on the prats involved.


Daisy chain making of course is high culture.



For the uncultured amongst us......and the Americans.

Bad cess

Prats

For me it was a hoax with precious little forethought. Asides from this poor nurse who possibly took her own life, it's very early days for this pregnancy and not something to be made a joke of. I'm happy to await the outcome for the cause of the nurse's actions, but also keeping in mind a lot of the time the truth doesn't actually come out in such enquiries. No doubt this nurse would have had a conversation with the nurse that did reveal Kate's personal medical details, maybe the second nurse was given the impression by the first nurse that this was indeed the Queen and that security measures had been passed, maybe under different circumstances she would never have divulged information.

The trouble is it's a stupid joke to pull on a young couple who actually deserve some privacy, yes it's an exciting time for them, I'm sad they were forced to make an announcement so soon. It's still early days in the pregnancy and I am of the mind of the old school of say nothing until you get to twelve weeks at least as things can be so uncertain until then.

It just sucks to me of the disgusting media circus we live in now.

oscar;1411910 wrote: In the media last week, an 85 year old woman suffered a heart attack and died after teenagers threw rocks at her windows. Similarly, those teenagers no doubt never envisaged that someone would die as a result of their actions so I agree with you.

There Is another aspect to this.... If St James Palace not have been so keen to Inform the media of Kate's hospitalisation, had they not have told the media which hospital she was In and had Kate gone Into a private clinic, then her privacy would have been adhered to. She choose to have her where-abouts broadcasted to the world which then led to a series of events. The chain of events that ultimately led to the nurse's death began with a press release from the palace as to Kate's exact location which then thus, enabled the radio presenters to acquire the number and phone In.


There's also another side though, someone would have witnessed them arriving at the hospital and told the press anyway. The Palace gave out the information beforehand which is just the same sort of announcement as when Prince Philip is hospitalised.

Betty Boop;1411914 wrote: There's also another side though, someone would have witnessed them arriving at the hospital and told the press anyway. The Palace gave out the information beforehand which is just the same sort of announcement as when Prince Philip is hospitalised.


Good point.

Another aspect I believe should be addressed Is the obvious lack of communication with the nursing staff from senior staff as she was admitted. They should all have been briefed about security and discretion Immediately as they came on duty. Any call for public figures should be passed to security before being put through, not just put through to Kate's nurse.

My sister Is a staff nurse at The Royal Sussex In Brighton. There are many actors and famous people living In Brighton and Hove and when a famous one Is admitted to hospital, It's standard proceedure that the staff In direct contact with them are briefed so the press can never get through to the wards.... I think Kate's hospital have clearly failed In that duty of care.

Any and All pranks can have a horrible out come.

Yes, this scenario unfortunately has a sad ending.

I do not like to be startled and I don't like pranks.

Candid Camera is one thing - Pranks are not funny to me - ever.

Patsy

So you'd be frightened and possibly suicidal if someone called and asked if your refrigerator was running?

Snooze

I don't think pranks are funny

This particular prank snowballed & again wasn't funny.

Are you asking me what can send me - myself over the edge to suicide?

That would be another thread.

Patsy

What a flicking god awful story that will now be forever attached to this child!

Do you folks have HIPAA over there?

flopstock;1411924 wrote: Do you folks have HIPAA over there?


The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, flopster? That's US legislation. The UK is not governed by US legislation because we have no representation within the US legislature though for some reason we're still subject, by force majeure, to your damnably overbearing courts which have assumed self-granted worldwide jurisdiction. I'm quite sure they've never applied The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 to us though.

We do, however, have The Data Protection Act 1998 which we had the effrontery to pass in our own legislature on our own behalf to apply to situations within our own country which affect our own citizens.

Patsy Warnick;1411919 wrote: Any and All pranks can have a horrible out come.

Yes, this scenario unfortunately has a sad ending.

I do not like to be startled and I don't like pranks.

Candid Camera is one thing - Pranks are not funny to me - ever.

Patsy


Why Is Candid Camera any different ? They are still pranks.

The question with any prank is ' Was It done with malice and the hope of an unfavourable outcome to the victim ?

If the two presenters In this case had Malice aforethought and premeditation to lose nursing staff their job then the onus should be on them but I do not believe that was the case here.

I've heard the tape of the call and the pair seem astonished that they were even connected In the first place. I don't believe they even thought their call would get as far as the Royal security. If they believed they wouldn't even get through In the first place, then there can be no malice to the prank to lose a nurse their job or harm them In any way. I really do think It was the case that they would just see how far they could get with the call.

For them to be responsible for the nurse's death, the nurse would have to be their Intended victim from the start of the thought process. She wasn't the Intended victim because they didn't know her or even know she would be on duty that night so the prank was random and not directed at any Individual.She could have been any number of staff on that night or Royal security.

It Is an awful outcome to the prank but I don't think these two presenters should be held ultimately responsible. The hospital failed In It's duty to brief staff an the Palace were too quick to tell the world exactly what hospital Kate was In.

Are we saying here that the presenters were responsible for the nurses state of mind that led to her suicide?

Týr;1411925 wrote: The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, flopster? That's US legislation. The UK is not governed by US legislation because we have no representation within the US legislature though for some reason we're still subject, by force majeure, to your damnably overbearing courts which have assumed self-granted worldwide jurisdiction. I'm quite sure they've never applied The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 to us though.

We do, however, have The Data Protection Act 1998 which we had the effrontery to pass in our own legislature on our own behalf to apply to situations within our own country which affect our own citizens.


No dear, I was aware you aren't governed by our laws. I was just seeing if you had something similar.

Sounds like you do.

Over here, folks lose jobs and institutions face being sued for the information these folks were pranking to get.

First spot/Tyr is vehement that the police were too hasty in the shooting death of the man in Florida that was growling and "eating" the face of another AND that the victim's injuries weren't that severe and now he's somehow privy to a woman's mental and emotional state over being peripherally involved in a non-event that convinced her death is a better alternative than being with her family, especially during the holiday season. I know we all enjoy positing why/who/when but how arrogant is he to assume he knows better than anyone else? Very.

SnoozeAgain;1411941 wrote: First spot/Tyr is vehement that the police were too hasty in the shooting death of the man in Florida that was growling and "eating" the face of another AND that the victim's injuries weren't that severe and now he's somehow privy to a woman's mental and emotional state over being peripherally involved in a non-event that convinced her death is a better alternative than being with her family, especially during the holiday season. I know we all enjoy positing why/who/when but how arrogant is he to assume he knows better than anyone else? Very.Two reasons, snooze. Firstly I recognize good breeding when I see it, secondly I apply logic to facts when reaching a judgement.

Peter Lake;1411936 wrote: Are we saying here that the presenters were responsible for the nurses state of mind that led to her suicide?
I'm not. I'm saying they are guilty of invasion of privacy, at the least. What if she were miscarrying?

I'm saying they had a total disregard for possible consequences to whoever gave them that private information.

IMO, a prank would have been to have gotten through and then to ask the nurse to sing "god save the queen" or something similar. Not to ask for private patient information.

SnoozeAgain;1411941 wrote: First spot/Tyr is vehement that the police were too hasty in the shooting death of the man in Florida that was growling and "eating" the face of another AND that the victim's injuries weren't that severe and now he's somehow privy to a woman's mental and emotional state over being peripherally involved in a non-event that convinced her death is a better alternative than being with her family, especially during the holiday season. I know we all enjoy positing why/who/when but how arrogant is he to assume he knows better than anyone else? Very.


You've raised the who, what and why so let's explore another scenario.

Let's say there is a woman who had just been through a traumatic arrest and trial and after the trial when she should be putting it all behind her and getting on with her life, she finds herself subject to a vicious thread posted on the world internet where she's labelled a blue rinse battleaxe. The author has never met her, knows nothing about her and can only go by what he's read in the newspapers. Let's say that even after another member posts a retraction by a newspaper to say they got it wrong, the author continues to attack her. Let's say that after she's been the focus of world media attention for over a year of her life, she finds the attack the very last straw and commits suicide. Who is responsible for her suicide? The author of the thread who took delight in libelling and attacking her for pleasure or as a prank or her own fault for putting herself in that situation in the first place?

The radio people are not responsible for this nurses frame of mind are they?

Peter Lake;1411949 wrote: You've raised the who, what and why so let's explore another scenario.

Let's say there is a woman who had just been through a traumatic arrest and trial and after the trial when she should be putting it all behind her and getting on with her life, she finds herself subject to a vicious thread posted on the world internet where she's labelled a blue rinse battleaxe. The author has never met her, knows nothing about her and can only go by what he's read in the newspapers. Let's say that even after another member posts a retraction by a newspaper to say they got it wrong, the author continues to attack her. Let's say that after she's been the focus of world media attention for over a year of her life, she finds the attack the very last straw and commits suicide. Who is responsible for her suicide? The author of the thread who took delight in libelling and attacking her for pleasure or as a prank or her own fault for putting herself in that situation in the first place?

The radio people are not responsible for this nurses frame of mind are they?


Surely you speak of journalists in the first place, and this person did nothing at all in the first place to end up in court?

The nurse was doing her job, she'd done nothing to no one but care for a woman who was poorly.

The two incidences are not at all comparable.

Hang on a sec, are you not the pair that keep saying your matters should not be dragged up and discussed around here? Yet you two are the same people that keep on referring back to the incident.

Betty Boop;1411951 wrote: Surely you speak of journalists in the first place, and this person did nothing at all in the first place to end up in court?

The nurse was doing her job, she'd done nothing to no one but care for a woman who was poorly.

The two incidences are not at all comparable.

Hang on a sec, are you not the pair that keep saying your matters should not be dragged up and discussed around here? Yet you two are the same people that keep on referring back to the incident.


On the contrary Betty, it's a perfect scenario in which to explore the topic in hand further. The point i was raising is that the woman who was subject of the thread would have



ultimately arrived at that stage by a chain of events. Equally, the nurse took her own life by a chain of events which did not start with the radio people but by the broadcasting of Kate's location and failure by the hospital to train their staff. It's very much the case in most suicides that it's a culmination of events that pushes someone over the edge and not the singular final action.

There's nothing I'd want to add to the content of BBC News - Kate hoax call: London hospital protests to radio network but I would like to place everything it contains into the discussion here. I particularly note the "extremely foolish", the "truly appalling", the "humiliation of two dedicated and caring nurses" and the "stressful and deeply traumatic experiences".

Just because you've trained yourself to be thick-skinned, snooze, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants to be. The guttersnipes who thought they were being funny, and the gits who subsequently approved the broadcast without the consent of the hoaxed nurses, should find employment more appropriate to their evidently limited skills.

The parallel scenario i gave to the topic in hand was an anonymous example but by way of comparison further, would the author of the thread assume the subject was thick skinned enough to brush off it's effect? I imagine he would, so by virtue, the radio people could have no comprehension of the effect their actions would have on the member of the hospital staff.

They're scarcely covering themselves in glory down under...Michael Christian had basked in the attention that he and his colleague Mel Greig, a former reality TV star, had obtained for their hospital hoax. "The only bad thing about our Royal Prank¦ is knowing that I will NEVER EVER top this,'' he posted on Facebook. "Less than a week in the job & I've already peaked."

BBC News - Australian DJs face backlash over hoax death

Sensationalist reporting at it's worst to sell more stories to the hand wringing liberal elite.

We all do something in our lives that could result in consequences for another human being. It's human nature at it's worst that when life doesn't go according to plan, we heap blame and ridicule on one singular target and in the process, ruin other lives.

Týr;1411957 wrote: They're scarcely covering themselves in glory down under...Michael Christian had basked in the attention that he and his colleague Mel Greig, a former reality TV star, had obtained for their hospital hoax. "The only bad thing about our Royal Prank¦ is knowing that I will NEVER EVER top this,'' he posted on Facebook. "Less than a week in the job & I've already peaked."

BBC News - Australian DJs face backlash over hoax death


I think that this was prior to recent events. They are reportedly devastated by what has occurred. I would imagine they would be.

It is just horrible all around. The video footage I saw of the announcement had the follow up question thrown out as "had the palace lodged a complaint" rather than any sympathy for anyone involved.

Peter Lake;1411958 wrote: Sensationalist reporting at it's worst to sell more stories to the hand wringing liberal elite.

We all do something in our lives that could result in consequences for another human being. It's human nature at it's worst that when life doesn't go according to plan, we heap blame and ridicule on one singular target and in the process, ruin other lives.


Yes, indeed, this nurse was a nurse, someone who helped others get better, the clue is in the name, the consequences of her actions, prior to her suicide had harmed no one.

Betty Boop;1411961 wrote: Yes, indeed, this nurse was a nurse, someone who helped others get better, the clue is in the name, the consequences of her actions, prior to her suicide had harmed no one.
But by way of virtue, nursing staff make mistakes all the time and in this case, the suffering was minimal. Take the Bristol hospital example where mistakes caused the deaths of babies but as far as i'm aware, the staff didn't kill themselves because of their mistakes. What has now happened, is a media circus directed at the two radio people who initially never targeted the nurse but carried out a random act. They have now become the target of world media attention and are being ridiculed and lambasted. The media is now carrying out the exact same act on the radio people and seeking to destroy their lives. The media is making them the scapegoats for the nurses stupidity at putting the call through, the announcement of Kate's exact location and the failure of the hospital to train their staff, all of which contribute to the events that led to the woman's suicide. By some perverse form of retribution for stupidity all round by the hospital, the palace, and the media, they are seeking to destroy other lives further.

I'm still not convinced this isolated incident is what caused the woman to kill herself.