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Am I the only one that has noticed that the reaction to this election is a little over the top?



Arizona woman runs down husband with car for not voting: police - Yahoo! News

I doubt it really has anything to do with the election. I'd make a bet she's wanted to run him over with the car for ages and simply used the election as an excuse! :driving:

I was going to give it its' own thread, but here is something I read

a couple of days ago that I really like:

Cry Babies And Sore Losers | Liberals Unite

Nice site. Thanks for the link valerie.

Really?



White House may respond to Texas secession petition | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Petition all they want, we're all in this together.

Yeah really, wasn't it those texans that cashed us out?:sneaky:

flopstock;1410319 wrote: Am I the only one that has noticed that the reaction to this election is a little over the top?



Arizona woman runs down husband with car for not voting: police - Yahoo! News


Obama winning as big as he did has shocked all the Conservative Pundits, they just can't believe it and are trying to figure out how they mis-calculated and were so out of touch with how the majority feel. This Scour Grape attitude by most Conservatives will continue throughout the year and perhaps for the next four years. GET OVER IT!!

I find it interesting that the same people behind the secession talk were the ones that would scream "America - love it or leave it!" during the Bush years when anyone questioned a policy. Now they want to renounce their citizenship and form a foreign country. Curious...

Wandrin;1410331 wrote: I find it interesting that the same people behind the secession talk were the ones that would scream "America - love it or leave it!" during the Bush years when anyone questioned a policy. Now they want to renounce their citizenship and form a foreign country. Curious...


Actually, they are being consistent.

It's not just disappointed Republicans ... if I remember correctly before the election, many Democrats made some not so veiled references to rioting if people dared to vote Romney into office.

I still stand by my original observation. Politics is simply an outlet for many unbalanced people and/or attention seekers. It's an opportunity, not a cause.

The world goes on ...

My polling place was packed when I went to vote and again later when I went home for lunch. All older folks. And our county went Romney. It went Obama last time.



Decision 2012: What Did We Learn? - Election 2012

“The Republican Party has two basic problems. One is that Romney and the top leadership implemented a winning election strategy... for 1980,” says Patrick James, professor of international relations in the USC Dornsife College. “If you look at the demographics and voting proportions, the Reagan coalition would not win a majority today. The libertarian wing of the Republican Party must reassert itself, or the GOP will face oblivion.

I think we have finally lost our minds.

Residents In More Than 30 States File Secession Petitions

I'm sure it's not the first time it's happened. I had a guy send me something like 20 official calls for a constitutional convention (I can't find it right now) that were all ignored and none of them made the history books. This will be the same.

Accountable;1410396 wrote: I'm sure it's not the first time it's happened. I had a guy send me something like 20 official calls for a constitutional convention (I can't find it right now) that were all ignored and none of them made the history books. This will be the same.


But in this day of instant global news, it is harder to ignore the simplest of ideas.



I think it would be a nice experiment to designate an empty piece of land as 'Independence' and anyone who'd really like to give up their citizenship can move there. They can start from scratch and we can all see how it is done.

flopstock;1410405 wrote: But in this day of instant global news, it is harder to ignore the simplest of ideas.



I think it would be a nice experiment to designate an empty piece of land as 'Independence' and anyone who'd really like to give up their citizenship can move there. They can start from scratch and we can all see how it is done.
Hey, great idea. We can designate a part of Florida for awhile, then change it to a useless patch of land in, say Oklahoma, and make them all walk there with whatever they can carry.

That reads far harsher than I meant it.

Accountable;1410413 wrote: That reads far harsher than I meant it.


I didn't read it as harsh.

I still would like to see it done. All our politicians think that they are the only answer. I want to see what good old fashion American ingenuity could produce, if given total commitment and an opportunity. I don't think there could be one person that just came along for the ride, do you?

flopstock;1410415 wrote: I didn't read it as harsh.

I still would like to see it done. All . I want to see what good old fashion American ingenuity could produce, if given total commitment and an opportunity. I don't think there could be one person that just came along for the ride, do you?
That's the rub, isn't it? Our politicians think that they are the only answer, and they're the ones that would vote on the matter. BUT, if they believed and acted as if they were not the only answer, then secession would likely get far less public support.

I'm pessimistic on this. It won't be long before your experiment might be the reality nationwide, thanks to the gov't trying to "fix" things.

But on a purely hypothetical level, yes I believe it could be done, and a few slackers could and even would be tolerated.

Accountable;1410407 wrote: Hey, great idea. We can designate a part of Florida for awhile, then change it to a useless patch of land in, say Oklahoma, and make them all walk there with whatever they can carry.


You described the Cherokee relocation program pretty well, as I remember my history.

Wandrin;1410441 wrote: You described the Cherokee relocation program pretty well, as I remember my history.


Yes. Been there, done that.

The logistics would actually be a little interesting. Let's take the case of Florida wanting to secede and become the nation of Floridastan (or whatever). Florida was purchased from Spain in 1819 for the approximate value of $5,000,000 in 1819 dollars. What would be the adjusted price for Floridastan to purchase it from the US in 2012 dollars?

Then there is the matter of US government property and facilities there. What would it cost to reimburse the US for Cape Kennedy, the various federal buildings, federal prisons, military bases, coast guard stations, the National Park, etc.? It could be very expensive to move military bases and NASA sites.

Then there is the matter of passports and visas. I can't visit Canada without my passport, so I assume that it would be the same for Floridastan. Listening to my Republican friends, the US would want to build a fence on the boundaries of the US and Floridastan to keep all those would be illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border.

Think of the money that the US could save, since we don't pay Social Security and Medicare to foreign nationals.