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A friend of mine posted this on FB (yes i have permission to use it) He was covering the story at the time.

Douglas Timmins

Another anniversary of the Dunblane Massacre when in 1996.,a filthy little paedophile shot dead 16 infants and their teacher in a Scottish classroom.

All documents worth seeing on this massacre have been sealed for 100 years. Just like that. Let there be no mistake, this was a cover up by government for a paedophile ring with it's tentacles extending into every part of the British Establishment .

John Major, Prime Minister at the time of the slaughter of these innocents, should think deep shame of himself every time he goes in front of the mirror to shave in the morning. He was the man who authorised the cover up at the start.

What a bunch of shits we have allowed to govern us. Nothing is sacred to them if it means keeping power.

If there is nothing to hide, Mr Major, have a chat with the new unimproved Tory Prime Minister David Cameron and get him to unseal ALL the files for public scrutiny including the suppressed autopsy report which suggests that the killer Thomas Hamilton actually committed suicide TWICE with a half hour interval in between suicides!!!!!

Then please tell us where the list of Thomas Hamilton's contacts contained in an address book taken by the police (filmed as it was taken from the house) has disappeared to. Then perhaps you could maybe tell us (Mr Major) why the gymnasium in which the massacre took place was demolished a few days after the tragedy, but before any ballistic or proper forensic report had been filed by the scene of crime professionals!

The evidence of the crime was by Prime Ministerial ispse dixit, so to speak vanished and dumped on a landfill!!



The gym had bullet entrance marks (A lot of them) on the outside walls. So who was shooting from the outside into the gym when Hamilton was in the gym?..................

If they unseal the files ****, then we can all see therein. If they don't allow the files to be seen, what do you think we should think!! I covered the story at the time.We were detained and the camera film confiscated by people with no id............

The proprietor of the newspaper phoned the editor and suggested that this line of reporting should not be pursued!!..................

There were people in a van literally right behind him. He left his house like a scalded cat that morning with a transit van full of men in pursuit. That was his neighbours original statement. I cannot spell it out. All I am saying is open the files (fat chance)................

fuzzywuzzy;1387474 wrote: A friend of mine posted this on FB (yes i have permission to use it) He was covering the story at the time.


Christ, is it really sixteen years since

A terrible toodoo but this adds a whole new dimension to it.

If it was a cover up after the event then what is being suggested in the last para?

If it was done with prior knowledge then why? What were they trying to achieve?

Tehre was apparently a statement made by a neighbour that he was persued by a van. And bullet holes were found in the side of the Gym ....I'm trying to get a picture of the school yard because he made his way down the school corridor ...into the gym ...exited the gym through a outer exit doorand shot into a classroom. While would he shoot back into the gym wall?

I think Douglas is more concerned about the black address book found at his home that has dissapeared. who's names were in it? He was kicked out of the scouts association, many parents who had children at his own youth groups complained to police about him . He was investigated several times. And I have to agree that bulldozing the gym not long after wards before forensics do their business is a very strange thing to do .....Why not bulldoze the entire school and or the classroom he shot into??? Why is it so important to seal this for 100 years so that no one associated with him can talk?

My own opinion on this and of course I'm only speculating and also based on the neighbours statement..... I think he threatened someone (somoneone important)...they didn't like it and they sent people after him... he knows he is going to die and decides to send a message in the only way someone invilved in a pediphile ring called do....tragically for those youngins .

Oh and to clarify I'm not really intersted in the actual route taken by this son of a bitch ...I'm more interested how it changes from media to media I have three different stories from three different sources at the moment. Wittnessesm what parents were told and then the official story

Anyone that thinks there was a cover up over this is a complete idiot. There were failings in that complaints about thomas Hamilton should perhaps have been followed up - but bear in mind this was a time when people who complained about catholic priests were being told to shut up and nobody believed them - since then much stricter controls have been brought in as to who can work with children. Also brought in was a hand gun ban, not as a result of some conspiracy but public demand, a gun lobby candidate standing at the election needed police protection from the locals.

Hhhmmm why the 100 year seal then? You do know that only spies and MI6 are entitled to that don't you . Not even government is allowed that long and the british military only has up to 70 years . So explain that to me.

The person who gave me that to post here actually covered the story...... refused permission to print what he had (along with others) and only the official story was allowed . No one was allowed to investigate it further ...not even allowed to investigate Hamilton further. Then all eyes turned to gun laws. Whether the laws were conspiricy or not is not for me to say and I dont' really care . It's the sealing of important evidence and douments that should concern people. Why suppress and autopsy report?



and why is it GMC that anyone who questions anything untoward is always an idiot? You a sleeper or something ...and MI6 asset?

fuzzywuzzy;1387555 wrote: Hhhmmm why the 100 year seal then? You do know that only spies and MI6 are entitled to that don't you . Not even government is allowed that long and the british military only has up to 70 years . So explain that to me.

The person who gave me that to post here actually covered the story...... refused permission to print what he had (along with others) and only the official story was allowed . No one was allowed to investigate it further ...not even allowed to investigate Hamilton further. Then all eyes turned to gun laws. Whether the laws were conspiricy or not is not for me to say and I dont' really care . It's the sealing of important evidence and douments that should concern people. Why suppress and autopsy report?



and why is it GMC that anyone who questions anything untoward is always an idiot? You a sleeper or something ...and MI6 asset?


People who question anything untoward are seldom idiots however my idiot reference was in the context of this case and to this case only. If the language offends you then don't post and ask for comment especially on a topic like this about something that happened in scotland claiming there is a conspiracy to hide the truth. As a scot I feel justified in answering and quite frankly I am fed with the propensity of american posters to take personal offence when anyone doesn't agree with them or challenges their pet theory of the day.

Anyone who thinks the Scottish people would tolerate any kind of cover up really doesn't understand Scottish politics and prefers to believe in conspiracy theories by obscure organisations while completely ignoring the very real manipulation and obfuscation perpetrated quote openly by vested interests. The favourite allegation is hamilton was a freemason. This massacre and the attitude of the tory party to it and their refusal to consider a handgun ban was just one of many reasons they lost all their seats in the 1997 election in scotland, people were almost literally baying for blood. There were rather major failings on the part of the police and prosecuting authorities. The reality is at the time claims of child abuse were not taken seriously by anyone, even now some people think children make these things up and discount the testimony of children.

If you are really concerned about paedophilia then start at home with the US where people like to pretend it doesn't happen at all and ignore it's long term consequences on society and is content just to punish without looking at the reasons it is happening. You really should not be pointing fingers at other countries and expect to get away with it.

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Rest assured people in scotland are quite capable of taking on the establishment when they feel the need. I mentioned the handgun ban as that is another favourite hobby horse of the conspiracy theorists that because we do not allow gun ownership we are oppressed and the dunblane massacre was used as an excuse to ban hand guns.

*Cough*

gmc, fuzzywuzzy is Australian.

Bruv;1387568 wrote: *Cough*

gmc, fuzzywuzzy is Australian.


oops! sorry. I assumed by south pacific she meant hawaii or american samoa. No offence intended. Still a daft notion though.

If the language offends you then don't post and ask for comment especially on a topic like this about something that happened in scotland claiming there is a conspiracy to hide the truth. As a scot I feel justified in answering and quite frankly I am fed with the propensity of american posters to take personal offence when anyone doesn't agree with them or challenges their pet theory of the day.


Firstly GMC don't ever think me a princess it will not go well with you ..secondly it's a Scot who raises these issues. ..a Scot who was there. and obviously there is at least one Scot who does think a cover up of any sort is not welcome .... other Scots are also fuming .... I don't have permission to post the other one who would be valuable to you a the mo ..but who thought that the lack of pics was for the good of the people of Dunblane....and they thought fair enough and accepted that.... .no problem ..but if politically motivated ..they would prefer to tear the vault apart... what say you ..SCOT?

And where the **** do you think Australia is anyway ******** ?..just the biggest land mass but don't worry about that ..we're just above the southern ocean ....we own half the antartic...Should I go on or do you get it now?

Bruv;1387568 wrote: *Cough*

gmc, fuzzywuzzy is Australian.


Thanks Bruv. Geez now its our fault when an Aussie disagrees.

GMC Cries conspiricy theory.....Bullshi't!!...questions tis all. why 100 hundred years? ..he still can't anwser that. Scots are upset ..it just happened to come through me on this forum.

YZGI;1387583 wrote: Thanks Bruv. Geez now its our fault when an Aussie disagrees.


You're american ...everyone knows you should take the blame for everything ...geesh YZGI, one would think you'd know that by now .

fuzzywuzzy;1387582 wrote: And where the **** do you think Australia is anyway ******** ?..just the biggest land mass but don't worry about that ..we're just above the southern ocean ....we own half the antartic...Should I go on or do you get it now?


Deeeep Breaths.........remember your condition.

fuzzywuzzy;1387581 wrote: Firstly GMC don't ever think me a princess it will not go well with you ..secondly it's a Scot who raises these issues. ..a Scot who was there. and obviously there is at least one Scot who does think a cover up of any sort is not welcome .... other Scots are also fuming .... I don't have permission to post the other one who would be valuable to you a the mo ..but who thought that the lack of pics was for the good of the people of Dunblane....and they thought fair enough and accepted that.... .no problem ..but if politically motivated ..they would prefer to tear the vault apart... what say you ..SCOT?


What I would say to any scot positing such a notion. Bollocks I don't believe it. There's some daft reason for the rule being applied but the notion it is a secret to protect a paedophile ring in high places I do not believe. We have a habit if secrecy that is it's own reason for being. The thirty, fifty year etc rule is something that should be ended anyway I wanted to know what thatcher, blair et al were up to when something can be done about the bastards. Maybe our politicians would be a bit more careful if they knew they were going to be found out some of them are already regretting the freedom of information act. (see MP's expenses) We have a long tradition of UK governments keeping secrets so basically no one trusts them anyway. The freedom of information act scotland gives some access and perhaps with independence the reason will be made clear.

And where the **** do you think Australia is anyway ******** ?..just the biggest land mass but don't worry about that ..we're just above the southern ocean ....we own half the antartic...Should I go on or do you get it now?


I know where australia is. why not just say australia as your location, it's a bit like me saying north atlantic which means I could be anywhere from portugal to denmark for all you know. Have you any idea how many places are in the south pacific?

OK I'll confess I just assumed you were american from the tone of the post and the way you took umbrage at my disagreeing with you. I am deeply deeply sorry for causing offence.:-4 You could have been from new zealand, new zealanders, I find, get very upset of you mistake them for australian just as canadians get upset when mistaken for americans.

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Thanks Bruv. Geez now its our fault when an Aussie disagrees.


Only fair, americans always claim it's their responsibility to sort out the world's troubles they could at least take the blame as well. :sneaky::D

Hooray the smileys are working again.

OK I'll confess I just assumed you were american from the tone of the post and the way you took umbrage at my disagreeing with you.


For the record I don't take Umbrage..... In fact I've never taken a bridge in my life to begin with they are too heavy and my back isn't what it used to be.

Bruv;1387605 wrote: Deeeep Breaths.........remember your condition.


I'm sorry I've been on this forum since 2007 I post threads about Australia........ggggrrrrr. Albeit I'm of scottish desent. From Perth actually.

*Megan puts her head down, walks away mumbling to herself......there maybe a door slam though *

Megan ?

Megans are soft sensitive quiet types....................

I think I just brought up some phlegm. Not in my world they aren't . I know a few Megan's and they are not quiet by any stretch of the imagination. And did I mention I'm of scotish decsent?

You'd have to ask Wendy what I'm like.

fuzzywuzzy;1387634 wrote: I think I just brought up some phlegm. Not in my world they aren't . I know a few Megan's and they are not quiet by any stretch of the imagination. And did I mention I'm of scotish decsent?

You'd have to ask Wendy what I'm like.


Yes you did mention the Scottish bit......and OK I believe you.

Strangely.....my daughter lives not far from Perth......the Scottish one.

I may ask a favour of her then in the future ...I have a picture of the familys' old house . It's a street scape shot ...if she could be so kind (maybe in her own time) to take a pic for me from the same angle it would be great. But I digress.

you might find it on google street view, failing that I am in perth quite often so can e-mail you a photo of you want, just give me the address

gmc;1387579 wrote: oops! sorry. I assumed by south pacific she meant hawaii or american samoa. No offence intended. Still a daft notion though. Is that an Indian pasty ?

gmc;1387750 wrote: you might find it on google street view, failing that I am in perth quite often so can e-mail you a photo of you want, just give me the address


I have to get to mum and dads to get the pic first it has the address on it.

oscar;1387785 wrote: Is that an Indian pasty ?


tsk tsk that's a samosa.

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