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To the brave men and women of the American Armed Forces who will soon be coming from Iraq. Hold your heads up high … I don’t give a fiddler’s fart what anyone says, you have made the world a safer place for everyone!

“When you go home

Tell them of us, and say:

For your tomorrow

We gave our today!”

John Maxwell Edmonds (1875 – 1958)



I salute you!

When, where and in what branch did you serve, JJ?

Only time will tell.................wouldn't you say ?

Ahso!;1378705 wrote: When, where and in what branch did you serve, JJ?


This thread is NOT about me Ahso so please show some respect.

As of August 2, 4,683 brave Americans have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since the launch of Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) on October 7, 2001 and Operation Iraqi Freedom, which began with the invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003.

The poem I posted is also very relevant for the British.

The Battle of Kohima was the turning point of the Japanese U Go offensive into India in 1944 in the Second World War. The battle was fought from 4 April to 22 June 1944 around the town of Kohima in northeast India. It is often referred to as the "Stalingrad of the East".[3][4]

The battle took place in three stages. From 3 April to 16 April, the Japanese attempted to capture Kohima ridge, a feature which dominated the road by which the besieged British and Indian troops of IV Corps at Imphal were supplied. By mid-April, the small British force at Kohima was relieved, and from 18 April to 13 May, British and Indian reinforcements counter-attacked to drive the Japanese from the positions they had captured. The Japanese abandoned the ridge at this point but continued to block the Kohima-Imphal road. From 16 May to 22 June, the British and Indian troops pursued the retreating Japanese and reopened the road. The battle ended on 22 June when British and Indian troops from Kohima and Imphal met at Milestone 109, ending the siege of Imphal.



“ When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say,

For Their Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today ”

has become world-famous as the Kohima poem.

I guess that would mean you haven't served?

Bruv;1378706 wrote:

Only time will tell.................wouldn't you say ?


And the same applies to you sir. In such times we are ALL brothers in arms.

jones jones;1378718 wrote: And the same applies to you sir. In such times we are ALL brothers in arms.Not those who have never served.

Ahso!;1378717 wrote: I guess that would mean you haven't served?




You sir are a cad.

Ahso!;1378717 wrote: I guess that would mean you haven't served? Sorry but have I missed something here?

Does It matter weather JJ has served or not served? The thread surely is about the troops returning from a difficult occupation ?

WTG JJ

I guess the colors don't run because people who do don't wear them?

jones jones;1378720 wrote: You sir are a cad.BORING! You bore me, JJ.

Mama's here to help?

Ahso!;1378727 wrote: I guess the colors don't run because people who do don't wear them?


You are not a nice person.

jones jones;1378730 wrote: You are not a nice person.No? I served for your sorry ass. Who's not nice?

Ahso!;1378731 wrote: No? I served for your sorry ass. Who's not nice?


Excuse me ... but is this person allowed to say stuff like this?

Ahso!;1378731 wrote: No? I served for your sorry ass. Who's not nice? Prove It

jones jones;1378732 wrote: Excuse me ... but is this person allowed to say stuff like this?What's wrong, JJ, you can't let a Vet have a little slack? You're no hypocrite, are you?

oscar;1378735 wrote: Prove ItI don't need to prove squat to you.

Ahso!;1378737 wrote: I don't need to prove squat to you. You a Vet ? Yeah right !!! Perhaps In your dreams :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

jones jones;1378718 wrote: And the same applies to you sir. In such times we are ALL brothers in arms.


What applies to me ?

To show respect ?

Please explain how my comment was disrespectful.

oscar;1378738 wrote: You a Vet ? Yeah right !!! Perhaps In your dreams :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflWhat if I am, Oscar? What do i gain by proving anything to you? Let's negotiate.

Ahso!;1378741 wrote: What if I am, Oscar? What do i gain by proving anything to you? Let's negotiate.


Actually you are right. I would have to value you In some minute way Initially to be further Impressed by any evidence.

oscar;1378743 wrote: Actually you are right. I would have to value you In some minute way Initially to be further Impressed by any evidence.Oh, I'm not attempting to impress you, Oscar, I'm simply following your lead. Either show respect for people who have served or don't, but you can't cherry pick and sign on to threads like this, unless you're a hypocrite.

When, where and in what branch did you serve, Oscar?

Ahso!;1378745 wrote: Oh, I'm not attempting to impress you, Oscar, I'm simply following your lead. Either show respect for people who have served or don't, but you can't cherry pick and sign on to threads like this, unless you're a hypocrite.

When, where and what branch did you serve in, Oscar? You're proud of serving are you ? What as the tea boy ? Still, I'll go with It:

Korean War 1950-1953

Vietnam 1064-1973

Cambodian Civil war 1964- 1973

Iranian Hostage crisis. 1979-1980

Grenada Invasion 1983

First Persian Gulf War (1980-1988)-The U.S. gave logistical and intelligence information to Iraq in its war against Iran.

"Tanker War" (1987-1988)-The U.S. provided naval protection for Kuwaiti oil tankers in the Persian Gulf. This led to multiple clashes with the Iranian military.

Panama Invasion (1989)

Second Persian Gulf war 1991

Somalia Intervention (1992-1993)

Occupation of Haiti (1994-Present)

Bosnian War (1995)-The U.S. and NATO engaged in air strikes to force the Bosnian Serb forces to negotiate a peace agreement. Also known as Operation Deliberate Force. U.S. airpower contributed 65.9% of the NATO air sorties.

Bin Laden's War (1998-Present) -Terrorist conflict between the United States and irregular forces led by Osama bin Laden. The violence has also involved Kenya, Tanzania, Sudan and Afghanistan.

Kosovo War 1990

Afghanistan War 2001- Present

The Third Persian Gulf War : "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (2003)--The second major war between the United States-led coalition and the Middle Eastern nation of Iraq. Military members of the coalition also include the United Kingdom and Australia.

Intervention in Haiti (2004)--



Quite a list of failures there Ahso..... All American

Bruv;1378739 wrote: What applies to me ?

To show respect ?

Please explain how my comment was disrespectful.




Only time will tell.................wouldn't you say ?

Perhaps this has another hidden meaning then other than that you expect the colors to run?

oscar;1378746 wrote: copy/paste BSAnd your point is? Was that your intention on entering this thread to begin with, Oscar, to smudge it with so-called American failures? JJ might not like that. At least I served. i have more right in this thread than either of you.

jones jones;1378749 wrote: Perhaps this has another hidden meaning then other than that you expect the colors to run?We had a saying about this in the military, JJ, not that you'd know anything about it. The saying was: These colors do run - right at you. That's what I'm doing here, JJ, I'm running right at you. Like I said though, people like you go running to administrators.

Ahso!;1378750 wrote: And your point is? Was that your intention on entering this thread to begin with, Oscar, to smudge it with so-called American failures? JJ might not like that. At least I served. i have more right in this thread than either of you.


Jj will nevva evva evva chastise or scold or name call or be rude to a lady cos Jj is a real gentleman and Jj is always polite to ladies.

You are right Ahso ... if you have served then you are quite welcome to this thread now as it has gone on far too long for my taste anyway.

I too have served but not in Afghanistan or Iraq unfortunately.

Boring!

Ahso!;1378750 wrote: And your point is? Was that your intention on entering this thread to begin with, Oscar, to smudge it with so-called American failures? JJ might not like that. At least I served. i have more right in this thread than either of you.


I'm just mildly Interested In what particular failure you contributed to as It was you who claimed to be a Vet.





As for JJ.... I am sure he has the Intelligence to understand exactly what my point was and adult enough to deal with It.

jones jones;1378752 wrote:

I too have served but not in Afghanistan or Iraq unfortunately.When, Where and in which branch?

I only speak to other vets in threads such as this, Oscar, that's why I'm trying to determine who did and didn't serve. When, where and in which branch did you serve, Oscar?

jones jones;1378752 wrote: Jj will nevva evva evva chastise or scold or name call or be rude to a lady cos Jj is a real gentleman and Jj is always polite to ladies.

You are right Ahso ... if you have served then you are quite welcome to this thread now as it has gone on far too long for my taste anyway.

I too have served but not in Afghanistan or Iraq unfortunately.How insulting to females that you hold them to a lower standard than men, JJ.

Ahso!;1378751 wrote: We had a saying about this in the military, JJ, not that you'd know anything about it. The saying was: These colors do run - right at you. That's what I'm doing here, JJ, I'm running right at you. Like I said though, people like you go running to administrators.


Sigh ... First time evva Captain, which must show you how outa line you were.

Anyway you keep on running right at me ... All this activity can only be good for FG in the long run ... We may even encourage some guests to join.

Can't say when, where and name the branch, can you, JJ. You didn't serve.

Ahso!;1378756 wrote: I only speak to other vets in threads such as this, Oscar, that's why I'm trying to determine who did and didn't serve. When, where and in which branch did you serve, Oscar? Why on earth would I want to serve and engage In Illegal wars?

I work for a Far Right Political Party who wants all troops out of other Crown Countries. I have spent a year on a massive campaign across England called 'bring our boys home'.... I stand by my beliefs.

oscar;1378761 wrote: Why on earth would I want to serve and engage In Illegal wars?

I work for a Far Right Political Party who wants all troops out of other Crown Countries. I have spent a year on a massive campaign across England called 'bring our boys home'.... I stand by my beliefs.Then quit the pretense and move on.

Ahso!;1378762 wrote: Then quit the pretense and move on.


Do you know why you're full of crap Ahso?

Every thread Spot has trashed the US and It's foreign policy, you have agreed with every word he has said and also critisized your own country.

No Vet, no serving troop, past or present would EVER trash their own country as you have on this forum. Any serving Military man would defend his country to the last and you haven't. You haven't even attempted to Justify US action. That's why I don't believe a word you say.

If you're a Vet, then my Auntie's got bollocks.

oscar;1378763 wrote: Do you know why you're full of crap Ahso?

Every thread Spot has trashed the US and It's foreign policy, you have agreed with every word he has said and also critisized your own country.

No Vet, no serving troop, past or present would EVER trash their own country as you have on this forum. Any serving Military man would defend his country to the last and you haven't. You haven't even attempted to Justify US action. That's why I don't believe a word you say.

If you're a Vet, then my Auntie's got bollocks.What if I am, Oscar? What do I gain by proving it? Let's negotiate.

Ahso!;1378764 wrote: What if I am, Oscar? What do I gain by proving it? Let's negotiate.


So you don't deny trashing your own country on this forum? Hardly patriotic

JJ's a true Patriot.... Loyal to his country.... I admire that.

oscar;1378766 wrote: So you don't deny trashing your own country on this forum? Hardly patriotic

JJ's a true Patriot.... Loyal to his country.... I admire that.Make me an offer, Oscar.

Ahso!;1378767 wrote: Make me an offer, Oscar.




So you don't deny trashing your own country on this forum? Hardly patriotic

JJ's a true Patriot.... Loyal to his country.... I admire that.

oscar;1378768 wrote: So you don't deny trashing your own country on this forum? Hardly patriotic

JJ's a true Patriot.... Loyal to his country.... I admire that.Do you realize in even the smallest degree that you've been all over the place, Oscar? You call the wars illegal and yet praise a person who never served and supports those illegal wars and you criticize a person who did serve and but recognizes the illegality of the wars. You make no sense whatsoever. But that's you, all over the place.

How ironic, a thread where JJ wants to celebrate the homecoming of troops ends up breaking out in... war :rolleyes:

Ahso!;1378770 wrote: Do you realize in even the smallest degree that you've been all over the place, Oscar? You call the wars illegal and yet praise a person who never served and supports those illegal wars and you criticize a person who did serve and but recognizes the illegality of the wars. You make no sense whatsoever. But that's you, all over the place. Whoops... Touch a nerve did I ?

As you have difficulty understanding, let me explain.

You trash your own country on this forum......... JJ doesn't.

You do not defend your countries actions on this forum.... JJ does.

True Patriotism Is not serving In the military because any numpty can sign up and take orders.

However, a real man Is proud of his country whatever mistakes It has made and doesn't trash It on forums.

oscar;1378772 wrote: Whoops... Touch a nerve did I ?

As you have difficulty understanding, let me explain.

You trash your own country on this forum......... JJ doesn't.

You do not defend your countries actions on this forum.... JJ does.

True Patriotism Is not serving In the military because any numpty can sign up and take orders.

However, a real man Is proud of his country whatever mistakes It has made and doesn't trash It on forums.I wanted to immortalize this post.

For your information, Oscar, I've earned the right to criticize my government and it's actions.

Ahso!;1378775 wrote: For your information, Oscar, I've earned the right to criticize my government and it's actions. Whoops... defensive arn't we?

So you don't deny you trash your own country? Not very Patriotic are you?

I think it's wonderful troops are coming home. As to whether or not they made the world a better place while at war, and whether or not it matters if the opinion comes from someone who served or not, I think it is relevant. Veterans are lending their voices to the Occupy movement because they came home to find their world has become worse. Scott Olson survived multiple tours in Iraq only to get his skull fractured by a tear gas canister launched by the Oakland police, who then used flash grenades to scatter those who ran to help carry him off the street to get medical aid.

So how do veterans feel about the wars and the part they've been forced to play in it?

Board of Directors Statement on the Occupy Movement: We are the 99% | Iraq Veterans Against the War

Ya can't fix stupid.

Ahso!;1378779 wrote: Ya can't fix stupid. I'm pleased for you. It's a comfort on those lonely days waiting for the welfare cheque.