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hello and good evening

its only your old fag grumpy here looking through the ashtray of news

to find another tab end for you to drag on and debate.

i dont always look in the sun newspaper some times i do read the other tabloids and heres a frightning prospect from interfering EU beurocrats.

EU bosses have threatened Britain with huge fines if it refuses to hand over benefits to migrants.

Ministers are furious over a European ruling forcing UK taxpayers to give welfare handouts to any newly arriving EU national.

Employment Minister Chris Grayling has warned the directive could encourage millions of migrants to head to Britain to cash in.

In particular, he fears that foreign pensioners could move to the UK to “top up” their state pensions through the Pension Credit system.

But EU officials are warning the UK will be hauled before the European Court of Justice if it snubs the guidelines.

Tory backbencher Peter Bone said: “It is absolutely absurd that the Government is being ordered to pay out benefits to anyone who comes into this country.”

Emma Boon, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It’s yet another example of Brussels meddling in British affairs.”

EU bosses have threatened Britain with huge fines if it refuses to hand over benefits to migrants.

inisters are furious over a European ruling forcing UK taxpayers to give welfare handouts to any newly arriving EU national.

Employment Minister Chris Grayling has warned the directive could encourage millions of migrants to head to Britain to cash in.

in particular, he fears that foreign pensioners could move to the UK to “top up” their state pensions through the Pension Credit system.

But EU officials are warning the UK will be hauled before the European Court of Justice if it snubs the guidelines.

Tory backbencher Peter Bone said: “It is absolutely absurd that the Government is being ordered to pay out benefits to anyone who comes into this country.”

Emma Boon, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It’s yet another example of Brussels meddling in British affairs.”

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can you imagine what this would lead to every tom dick and abdul heading to the uk to cash in on free money sending most of it back to their home country.

buses would be arriving in london full to the brim with poles romainians turks croats serbs hungarians etc

not to mention the afghans africans kurds & iraqis queing up at callais and or any other french, belgian, spanish or dutch port to try and jump into a lorry or eurotunnel freight train and smuggle themselves into britain they would be coming here from all over the world

with heathrow and gatwick being a gateway to england for indians pakistanis and chinese.

how much would people traffickers make ?

how much would crime increase? foreign women sold to further the sex industry or work as forced labour in an illegal sweatshop

children sold to sick paedophile rings to do with as they wish.

street beggars murders the list could go on.

we must say no to this madness otherwise this will be the final step to becoming a EU superstate or third world middle eastern country

and david cameron would face the biggest backlash of his political life

not just from furious mp,s but from groups like the bnp or ukip and political groups like the EDL,COMBAT18 and the NATIONAL FRONT

this could lead to uncontrolable riots the police couldnt handle and make the london riots look like a school outing.

what would be their first word of english ? ME WANT FREE BENEFITS

the answer go home you are not wanted and are not welcome in the uk and take your brothers and sisters with you.

the grumps;1377873 wrote: Ministers are furious over a European ruling forcing UK taxpayers to give welfare handouts to any newly arriving EU national.




A silly question perhaps, but what does that have to do with "EU proposes benefits for illegal immigrants"? How do you equate "any newly arriving EU national" with "illegal immigrant"?

Grumpy's gay?

He's a WASP and he doesn't like non-WASPs entering England for any purpose whatever, he thinks they're foreign and offensive. He doesn't like the Japanese because they run death camps for prisoners of war, he doesn't like the French because they're the National Enemy and god only knows why we ever signed up to the Entente Cordiale (1905) and provoked a war with Germany, he doesn't like Germans because they rape nuns, he doesn't like Italians because they're untrustable and everyone else on the planet's black as the ace of spades and doesn't count as human to start with. I'm not sure what he thinks about Jews but if his opinions on Gypsies is an indicator he'd quite like to have all Jews banned from the country again like last time (1290 - 1656).

I hope that clarifies matters. The word you need isn't gay, it's bigoted.

Ah, I see. His use of "fag" seemed a little queer.

He has at last made me................speechless.

What a silly billy he is

SnoozeAgain;1377900 wrote: Ah, I see. His use of "fag" seemed a little queer.


English English has need-to-know access perhaps. A fag in this context is someone who goes out and does the menial tasks for those who enjoy life's pleasures without the necessity to clean up after themselves. If you want a bit of crumpet you get your fag to stick one on a fork by the fire to get crisp round the edges. That's where expressions like "it's a fag", meaning it's a boring menial job, or "I'm fagged out" meaning I'm exhausted as a result of all this running around after someone, come from.

Bruv;1377902 wrote: He has at last made me................speechless.

What a silly billy he is


The site has a choice, we can either leave it there to be laughed at or we can delete it. I prefer mockery. I dislike the idea of deleting posts. Other than spam I don't think we've done that this year at all, regardless of content. If he attached a nude photo of Teresa May I'd remove it though.

if you cannot debate this seriously please bog off and hijack someone elses thread

the grumps;1377918 wrote: if you cannot debate this seriously please bog off and hijack someone elses thread


If this is a non-serious question perhaps you could tell me why... what does your post have to do with "EU proposes benefits for illegal immigrants"? How do you equate "any newly arriving EU national" with "illegal immigrant"?

Your trouble is you're so full of bile that you've stopped thinking. What you wrote in the opening post is senseless. The article from the Sun is entirely, from start to end, about legal migrants into the UK from within the EU. You simply refuse to distinguish those migrants from illegal immigrants, and that makes all your subsequent commentary hot air. You could avoid wasting your time but you just can't be arsed to think straight.

He's also forgetting it's a two way street remember the decades when it was british workers going across to europe to work on the building sites and factories of france and germany. Send the unemployed abroad I'm sure Maggie approved. There are far more expat british people working and living in europe than there are europeans working here.

It's also factually inaccurate there are residency requirements you need to meet - if you live abroad you cannot automatically claim your UK benefits - remember all those chancing gits living in spain who wanted to claim the winter payment allowance - any more than an eec citizen can claim here they will receive a pension from their home country there are arrangements so it can be paid and taxed here.

How come the taxpayers alliance doesn't get upset about rich people who hide their assets abroad and corporations that take advantage of loopholes. Why isn't the daily star pissed off about bankers bonuses and the gulf between rich and poor? Having nude pictures or pretty women doesn't really make it a working man's paper does it.

spot;1377903 wrote: English English has need-to-know access perhaps. A fag in this context is someone who goes out and does the menial tasks for those who enjoy life's pleasures without the necessity to clean up after themselves. If you want a bit of crumpet you get your fag to stick one on a fork by the fire to get crisp round the edges. That's where expressions like "it's a fag", meaning it's a boring menial job, or "I'm fagged out" meaning I'm exhausted as a result of all this running around after someone, come from.
Spot and I must move in different circles.

A 'bit of crumpet' means something else to me, not an edible toasted bakery product.

A 'fag' of the type Spot is referring to is known in what the English call Public Schools, Public schools are NOT Public, but schools for the nations upper classes, for example Eton or Gordonstoun where the Royal Princes went.

right firstly spot EU arrivals ref illegal immigrants

they would be illegal immigrants only if they sneaked in inside a lorry but we would

still be obliged to give them benefits.

if they arrived through the proper channels and claimed benefits on arrival they would be EU migrants i agree but why have they come here in the first place ? with the intention of living here and claiming our benefits .

why should we pay benefits to a pole romainian turk etc who has never worked here or paid a penny into the system.

gmc

yes we went abroad to germany to work we didnt go across solely to claim german benefits

the other bit about the fat cat corporations i cannot comment about

but can you imagine the millions who will flock here to claim benefits immediatly upon landing on our shores.

thats what the EU want people will come from all over europe and the third world solely to claim benefits and get a furnished house etc this will just totally bankrupt us and then move away possibly back home to live on our money while bankrupt britain struggles greece is a good example of how we would be a broke penniless country run down and trying to survive

apart from that i will not work to keep some w*g family in benefits

You are right Grumps.........Im off to Greece to get some of their benefits before there all gone

the grumps;1377936 wrote: right firstly spot EU arrivals ref illegal immigrants

they would be illegal immigrants only if they sneaked in inside a lorry but we would

still be obliged to give them benefits.

if they arrived through the proper channels and claimed benefits on arrival they would be EU migrants i agree but why have they come here in the first place ? with the intention of living here and claiming our benefits .

why should we pay benefits to a pole romainian turk etc who has never worked here or paid a penny into the system.

gmc

yes we went abroad to germany to work we didnt go across solely to claim german benefits

the other bit about the fat cat corporations i cannot comment about

but can you imagine the millions who will flock here to claim benefits immediatly upon landing on our shores.

thats what the EU want people will come from all over europe and the third world solely to claim benefits and get a furnished house etc this will just totally bankrupt us and then move away possibly back home to live on our money while bankrupt britain struggles greece is a good example of how we would be a broke penniless country run down and trying to survive

apart from that i will not work to keep some w*g family in benefits


Maybe you should make an effort to find out fat cat corporations and the like instead of believing everything you read in tory rags like the daily star and daily mail. I notice the UKIP MEP's don't give up their salaries and expenses as an example top their fellows, wonder why.

As your pension falls in value because it's no longer linked to earnings who do youn blame for that one. If you have a company pension be grateful you got one before they were destroyed, as your fuel bills rise and the cost of petrol goes through the roof and food rises in cost because of speculators betting on the commodity prices who will you blame for that grumpy? We're bankrupt and in hock to the bankers how did the unemployed, illegal,immigrants, single mothers, the eec and benefit scroungers manage to do that to the extent that they did? You blame them for everything - tell me how did they manage it?