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and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:02 pm
by fuzzywuzzy
Strip-search brutality in Northern Ireland | SocialistWorker.org

oday, I was brought to the reception where the search team were waiting and forced into a 3-foot-by-3-foot cubicle by two of them, where I refused to strip. They laughed at me and said, "He's ready for it!"

Suddenly, the cell door bursts open and in they come in full riot gear--helmets, shields, body protection, the works. They ram the shield into my face, two of them grab my arms, another grabs my head, I'm forced to the ground--arms forced up my back, two knees forced into my head to hold it down, two knees in the back of my legs...

Then another one of them starts to force off my shoes, socks and trousers off. I'm then moved into a forced position so that my boxers are ripped down and my frontal private parts can be seen by them. I'm then forced back into a position where my boxers are completely forced off me and a hand-held metal detector is ran over my backside.

At this stage, it's hard to breathe with their gloves covering my face and mouth. I'm still being held by four of them on the floor, my private parts exposed...They then grab my boxers and jeans and force them up, hurting me...leaving my private parts still exposed--They then move me into another awkward position to take my T-shirt off...I think my arms are about to break in two!

It's agony at this stage...My wrists are just numb... Being twisted the whole time this is going on. My shirt is now off...I'm lying now with both my arms are forced up my back towards the roof while the riot squad run out of the cell.. My arms just drop to the floor.

I try my best to get onto my feet using my elbows, trousers hanging off me, boxers still below my private parts...I'm aching all over!

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:05 am
by gmc
No american is in a position to lecture on how convicted terroristss are being treated. The main difference of course being they have had a trial in the UK and been convicted and their families know where they are and can visit. They are not being tortured or held for years without trial which is a bit more than america can say about islamic terrorists, sorry freedom fighters, held outside the US on Cuba so the american courts can't interfere.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:13 am
by spot
Besides which that particular piece was written over twenty years ago.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:04 am
by fuzzywuzzy
OMG you're right ....I saw 31 Oct 2011 ..............I've been duped ....not happy .

GMC, terrorism/terrorists are in the eye of the beholder.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:23 pm
by gmc
Those gallant freedom fighters you admire so much recently executed a fellow catholic for the crime of joining the police force.

Catholic police recruit killed in Omagh car bomb - Telegraph

These gallant freedom fighters also think kneecapping is a great way to punish teenage criminals.

BBC - Newsbeat - Northern Ireland kneecapping victim 'shot four times'

No offence fuzzywuzzy but you haven't got a clue, there is nothing in the least bit romantic or heroic in republican paramilitaries or the protestant ones either come to that. The very first act of the independent Irish government in 1922 was to fight a civil war with the IRA, the IRA lost. One of the reason the troubles keep rolling along is because of financial support from abroad from irish americans or irish australians who don't understand what it is they support.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:28 pm
by fuzzywuzzy
I never see War as romantic or heroic . And yes you're correct there are factions these days that are put forth in the media to tell the whole story. Do I understand it as a local of Derry would ?...No, but then I'd be in the same boat as you then wouldn't I .

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:39 pm
by Bryn Mawr
spot;1374131 wrote: Besides which that particular piece was written over twenty years ago.


Are you certain of that? Certainly the "dirty protest comment suggests it but :-

BBC News - Damien McLaughlin jailed over dissident weapons haul

suggests it is contemporary - unless they've changed the name of the author as a deliberate con which would make a farce of their whole position hereafter.



OK, checking further I find :-

Northern Ireland: Same old police, same old sectarian state | League for the Fifth International

Which was published five months before Damien McLaughlin was jailed - which is possible with remand and trial but ...

Given the propagandist nature of the writing I would like to see at least some form of independent corroboration.



If it is an account of a true event and accurately represents what occurred then it is totally unacceptable in any civilised society - especially mine.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:54 pm
by spot
Bearing in mind that Sinn Fein now forms part of the Northern Ireland government I'd be startled if policing had no political oversight which included them.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:02 pm
by spot
And I apologize, it's current. I now need to go and check whether it's standard practice in England too, or whether it's specific to dissident republicans.

I note that it's standard practice in US jails... High court weighs routine strip searches in jail - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:18 pm
by LarsMac
gmc;1374130 wrote: No american is in a position to lecture on how convicted terroristss are being treated. The main difference of course being they have had a trial in the UK and been convicted and their families know where they are and can visit. They are not being tortured or held for years without trial which is a bit more than america can say about islamic terrorists, sorry freedom fighters, held outside the US on Cuba so the american courts can't interfere.


At least in America we don't get tossed in jail and stripped searched just for having a few guns.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:00 am
by gmc
LarsMac;1374255 wrote: At least in America we don't get tossed in jail and stripped searched just for having a few guns.


:yh_rotfl No it seems you just need to look a bit black or middle eastern and if you want felt up go through airport security.

It's a horrible situation in northern ireland - or it used to be. I knew people from both sides of the divide. I can't for the life of me why anyone think people who blow up children and kneecap teenagers are freedom fighters. Besides it annoys people from the irish reopublic to be told by americans they are being repressed by the british.

and the agony continues in Northern Ireland

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:35 am
by YZGI
spot;1374252 wrote: And I apologize, it's current. I now need to go and check whether it's standard practice in England too, or whether it's specific to dissident republicans.

I note that it's standard practice in US jails... High court weighs routine strip searches in jail - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com


Someone in Ireland gets abused in jail= America sucks for some reason..