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Barnsley Central by-election: Nick Clegg laments 'bad result' for Lib Dems - Telegraph

You know a Party Is In trouble when the BNP beat you not once but twice In By-Elections.

Results

Dan Jarvis (Lab) 14,724 (60.80%, +13.53%)

Jane Collins (Ukip) 2,953 (12.19%, +7.53%)

James Hockney (C) 1,999 (8.25%, -9.01%)

Ends Dalton (BNP) 1,463 (6.04%, -2.90%)

Tony Devoy (Ind) 1,266 (5.23%, +3.58%)

Dominic Carman (LD) 1,012 (4.18%, -13.10%)

Kevin Riddiough (Eng Dem) 544 (2.25%)

Howling Laud Hope (Loony) 198 (0.82%)

Michael Val Davies (Ind) 60 (0.25%)

I see the tories are setting about reducing the number of scots MP's - while you can argue some rebalance is necessary it also has the "unfortunate" effect of labour losing seven seats in future parliaments without a corresponding reduction in tory ones. Not true the odds are the token tory MP in scotland will lose his constituency. I can see a referendum for full independence being more likely for a yes. You have no idea how much scots hate the tories.

gmc;1372503 wrote: I see the tories are setting about reducing the number of scots MP's - while you can argue some rebalance is necessary it also has the "unfortunate" effect of labour losing seven seats in future parliaments without a corresponding reduction in tory ones. Not true the odds are the token tory MP in scotland will lose his constituency. I can see a referendum for full independence being more likely for a yes. You have no idea how much scots hate the tories. The Tories know they will lose deposits In Scotland so what's the point of standing candidates? Yes, I agree, I can see a dramatic swing to the SNP In 2013 GE.

As for the LD's, I really do not believe they can recover from this and this Is not the first By Election that they have come In behind the BNP and UKIP. I predict a bloodbath In 2013 for them.

Far from the BNP being damaged by the Panorama Special, I think the LD's are truely finished In this country and It will take decades to restore any credibility.

They don't lose their deposits they just don't get elected. The scots tories are all ardent fans of proportional representation now as it is the only way they can get any seats in the Scottish parliament. I think Clegg shopuld have made PR conditional for their support in the coalition it's the only way british politics are going to change and become more accountable. I also think they have now lost their core support for good this time, if they throw away their principles to get their snouts in the trough they are no different from the other two parties.

gmc;1372588 wrote: They don't lose their deposits they just don't get elected. The scots tories are all ardent fans of proportional representation now as it is the only way they can get any seats in the Scottish parliament. I think Clegg shopuld have made PR conditional for their support in the coalition it's the only way british politics are going to change and become more accountable. I also think they have now lost their core support for good this time, if they throw away their principles to get their snouts in the trough they are no different from the other two parties.


Wasn't PR a concession for Clegg to join the Torie's? Wasn't It blindingly obvious that Cameron would never have gone through with It.?

Clegg Is finished and so Is his party. Some could argue that getting Into bed with the Torie's was a coalition but It appears that, according to polls, even Lib Dem members saw It as a sell out of Ideals to get Into Westminster and get jobs for the boys.

A few months ago I was party to something I found quite un-nerving at the time. I was at a meeting that had not been publicised at all and no-one knew who was there. As I walked up a high street with Nick Griffin, suddenly people were coming out of shops shaking his hand and asking to take his picture etc etc, yet In the same week, Clegg was boo'd off the streets of Manchester.... funny old world eh?

Having a referendum was a concession I mean he should have made getting it in to law a condition of his support for either party. I think people are so fed up with the way things are they are beginning to appreciate the need for change and n=might have come round if he had stuck it out. I've had it with them I doubt I'll vote for them again.

The BNP are a bunch of idiots with no real policies except banging the drum on racism, I know you don't agree with me but if they start getting anywhere the UK is in the shits until we get rid of them but they will do a lot of damage in the short term. Same with UKIP - they are basically a xenophobic nationalist party that would do serious harm to our economy. I had one of the local organisers try and tell me that the EU was not our major trading partner and we would lose very little by coming out of it and had gained very little. Scotland has actually done quite well out of EU funding (fisheries are another story) there is no way a Westminster based government would have spent the money to develop the regions. It's one of the reasons you find little support for UKIP in wales, scotland the north east. In scotland we are far more left wing than in England hatred of the tories is actually a major political sentiment. Labour have shot themselves in the foot so far as scotland is concerned, with the proposed electoral reform I think we are looking at another decade of Tory rule.

gmc;1372634 wrote: Having a referendum was a concession I mean he should have made getting it in to law a condition of his support for either party. I think people are so fed up with the way things are they are beginning to appreciate the need for change and n=might have come round if he had stuck it out. I've had it with them I doubt I'll vote for them again.

The BNP are a bunch of idiots with no real policies except banging the drum on racism, I know you don't agree with me but if they start getting anywhere the UK is in the shits until we get rid of them but they will do a lot of damage in the short term. Same with UKIP - they are basically a xenophobic nationalist party that would do serious harm to our economy. I had one of the local organisers try and tell me that the EU was not our major trading partner and we would lose very little by coming out of it and had gained very little. Scotland has actually done quite well out of EU funding (fisheries are another story) there is no way a Westminster based government would have spent the money to develop the regions. It's one of the reasons you find little support for UKIP in wales, scotland the north east. In scotland we are far more left wing than in England hatred of the tories is actually a major political sentiment. Labour have shot themselves in the foot so far as scotland is concerned, with the proposed electoral reform I think we are looking at another decade of Tory rule.


Even before the election, I predicted that should the Torie's get In, then we would be looking at a Labour landslide In 2013.... I stand by that.

As for the BNP..... all I can say Is wait until the 22nd of this month. There will be mass defections. A large amount of the regional organisers have already resigned but everything hinges on what Andrew Brons has to say to us on the 22nd. I will PM you with the outcome as It's far more Involved than that and has got very ugly and nasty.