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Nick Clegg booed in Birmingham - mirror.co.uk

Are we surprised ?

oscar;1364650 wrote: Nick Clegg booed in Birmingham - mirror.co.uk

Are we surprised ?


That it took this long? Very!

No, not surprised at all. He will, I'm sure, be delighted to know that I still support him.

Clodhopper;1364877 wrote: No, not surprised at all. He will, I'm sure, be delighted to know that I still support him. I wondered who the one person was.

oscar;1364914 wrote: I wondered who the one person was.


He passed the intelligence test so the BNP wouldn't have him.

gmc;1364928 wrote: He passed the intelligence test so the BNP wouldn't have him. The BNP don't have an Intelligence test to join any more. They scraped It after too many defecting Lib Dems were failing It.

The BNP don't have an Intelligence test to join any more. They scraped It after too many defecting Lib Dems were failing It.


The BNP is a collection of fools led by maniacs. They campaign by violence and intimidation. They are anti-Semitic and generally racist. They are linked to the more openly violent fascist white supremacists of the Duke variety. Their only use is that they demonstrate what a really nasty political party looks like. Even the Tories have something to be said for them by comparison.

You would prefer that the Lib Dems had not joined the Tories to form a government. That a minority government limped on for six months until another general election was called and meantime we slide ever faster towards Ireland, Iceland and Greece in our public finances?

No one likes cuts. No-one goes into politics to make cuts. But you don't choose the situation when you get into power, you have to deal with what is there. We couldn't afford the services Labour had kept spending more and more on. Labour likes to pretend it would all have come right if they'd stayed in power because the world economy would perk up. Except the world economy has not perked up and is getting worse. So we have even LESS money to play with. But we have NOT gone the way of Greece or even Spain. Yet.

And dealing with gmc's point that the Lib Dems have betrayed their principles: Absolute rubbish.

A major Lib Dem principle is COMPROMISE. There are issues the Lib Dems cannot move on because of the Tories, and there are areas the Tories cannot act on their principles because of the Lib Dems. The result is we have a functioning and effective government. I'm sorry it's not doing everything the way you want it.

On University fees - it is quite clear the Labour idea of getting as many to Uni as poss, whether they deserved it or not, has been a disaster. Too many are going, to do meaningless courses, and end up with a degree that means eff all. Lecturers have become teachers, not researchers. It's going to take years - decades - to sort out.

Clodhopper;1365138 wrote: The BNP is a collection of fools led by maniacs. They campaign by violence and intimidation. They are anti-Semitic and generally racist. They are linked to the more openly violent fascist white supremacists of the Duke variety. Their only use is that they demonstrate what a really nasty political party looks like. Even the Tories have something to be said for them by comparison.

Clod, I did not come back to FG to promote any political party or fall out with anyone. However, where exactly do you get this from?

Frankly, I have never read so much bigoted clap trap. As you have stated the above claims, then at least answer this:

1 ) In what way do they campaign by violence and Intimidation ? Show me an example or are you confusing the BNP with EDL or the UAF ? Or Is this what some geezer told you down the boozer?

2 ) In what way Is the BNP anti-Semitic ? NG rails about the spread of radical Islam for sure but where has he railed about removing Jews from England? Or Is It because he once questioned the numbers sent to the gas chamber during the war when he was 24 years old and studying at University. Something, In fact other historians have studied.

Do you really believe for one moment that If If there was a shred of evidence on you tube or anywhere else of NG denying the Holocaust, he would not have been arrested, prosecuted and thrown In prison by now given the persecution ?

3) Why did the BNP have a Jewish Councillor?

4 ) Why Is Arthur Kemp, foreign affairs spokesman for the BNP, South African ?

5 ) In what way are the BNP linked to David Duke ? NG once attended the same conference as him and spent an hour or two there. That Is a link Is It ? Show me some evidence other than a few BNP members using Duke's forum Stormfront where In fact, they get a hard time from EDL members.

6 ) Generally racist ? Now I assume by your statement that you have drawn this assumption by attending BNP meetings, Rallies, and Conferences? Or did It come from the News of The World ? Granted, the BNP attracts the odd nutter but they do get flagged up rather quickly and expelled.

7) Have you actually read the BNP Party 2010 General election Manifesto especially relating to Immigration? Have you read the section that states, the BNP " have no problems with genuine settled Immigrants and have no desire to remove them from the UK ?

Do you not feel a tad hypocritical when you no doubt tutted and poured scorn on NOTW journalists hacking Into Milly Dowlers phone, yet lap up the blatent libel In such Murdoch gutter press? Is It just co-Incidence that when such libel appears It Is during a government election or crisis and the BNP memembership enquirey line starts ringing? Is It co-Incidence that a few BNP members returned as MP's In Westminster would have scuppered Murdock's bid for total control of Sky? Or do you not look that far Into the wider picture?

I will also take this opportunity to remind you of a thread which If my memory serves me correctly was approx two years ago. On that thread, I told you that gangs of Asians were grooming young British girls. Again If I remember correctly, you called me a liar. You even went as far as to phone Bradford police who denied this was going on. NG himself was arrested and charged with Inciting racial hatred for speaking about It In the North of England. Quite rightly, he was found not guilty. Now, a senior Officer In the North has made some sort of apology to NG, not only saying he was right all along but the grooming was known to police for at least ten years. Now our newspapers are full of news of court cases were Asian paedophiles have been convicted for grooming.

So the BNP rule by fear and Intimidation do they....?

Took me a while to find It but here It Is..

Battle For Barking - Barking Mad Margaret - YouTube

This Is the Labour MP Margaret Hodge. Pay particular attention to her comments and In particular where she tells a church of black Christians towards the end of the footage.

Yes, for sure NG has his faults but just listen to this old crone. What she said was only caught on film once but during the entire documentary, she threatened, menaced and Intimidated.

As she stood on the doorstep with one white citizen, she changed tact when his ( what looked like ) Thai wife joined him. She then said... " You do realise that If the BNP win here, they will make her life a misery?"

Have you any Idea how many complaints were submitted to the watchdog body by ordinary people seeing that? Any Idea, how many formal complaints the Met recieved and not all BNP voters?

I know because I was one of the people who Insisted she was arrested, charged and prosecuted for Inciting racial hatred which under the public order act, also Includes racial hatred toward the Indigenous of a Nation. I had a very long chat about It with a very nice police Inspector from Barking who told me of the amount of complaints but the CPS would be reluctant to follow through.

So, that was not fear and Intimidation In that church ????

Then we have Lib Dem MP's, lying, robbing the tax payer and defrauding expenses.

Yes, the BNP get the odd nutter but NG has the balls to expel them, unlike the Lib Dems who hang on to their jobs after robbing the working man. So because the BNP get the odd nutter, you claim the entire membership Is 'Generally racist'. Yet your MP's get caught fiddling and It's just a few rotten apples In a very large barrel Is It ?

Then we have the entire Lib Dem party who sold out their very grass roots and Ideology just to get In bed with the Tories and get jobs for the boys. Traitors... every one of them.

Clegg Is not fit to be an MP let alone govern and If recent yougov polls are anything to go by, your Party Is finished while the BNP hotline continue's to ring.

New video: Humiliation for Clegg as Lib Dems finish sixth in Barnsley by-election - Main Section - Yorkshire Post

Just In case you fail to see the significance of this link.... You're Party finished behind the BNP :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

posted by oscar

2 ) In what way Is the BNP anti-Semitic ? NG rails about the spread of radical Islam for sure but where has he railed about removing Jews from England? Or Is It because he once questioned the numbers sent to the gas chamber during the war when he was 24 years old and studying at University. Something, In fact other historians have studied.

Do you really believe for one moment that If If there was a shred of evidence on you tube or anywhere else of NG denying the Holocaust, he would not have been arrested, prosecuted and thrown In prison by now given the persecution ?




Nick Griffin, Cook Report, 1997 - YouTube

You do realise that denying the holocaust is not a crime in the UK don't you?

BBC interviewer left speechless by Nick Griffin BNP MEP - YouTube

posted by clodhopper

And dealing with gmc's point that the Lib Dems have betrayed their principles: Absolute rubbish.

A major Lib Dem principle is COMPROMISE. There are issues the Lib Dems cannot move on because of the Tories, and there are areas the Tories cannot act on their principles because of the Lib Dems. The result is we have a functioning and effective government. I'm sorry it's not doing everything the way you want it.

On University fees - it is quite clear the Labour idea of getting as many to Uni as poss, whether they deserved it or not, has been a disaster. Too many are going, to do meaningless courses, and end up with a degree that means eff all. Lecturers have become teachers, not researchers. It's going to take years - decades - to sort out.


Leaving aside the issue of mickey mouse courses, on which matter I would agree with you, the one thing that has made the difference is free access to education. Two public schoolboys have now made sure that only the rich will be able to go to university. The irony that anotyher public schoolboy leading a supposedly socialist party was the first to introduce fees is not lost on me. In scotland the lib dems couldn't wait to forget their principles to get a seat at the trough. I have nephews in austria one of whom is at university with the fees paid because he is doing engineering, the other will be going to their mechaniocal college to do electronics, it's the same in germany, which of the country will be the first to industrialise and not be able to compete do you think. Singapore, china japan all subsidise education because they think it so important.

Adam Smith, as i anm sure you well know is seen as the progenitor of what we now call capitalism benefited from a system in scotland of compulsory primary education and a university system that was open to all - you turned up at the lectures and paid to attend. He advocated free education as being important to the well being of the nation and vital to progress the economy. No wonder he influenced Karl marx, a fact which annoys both left and right when you point it out to them.

Some principles are important and you stick to them no matter what - being willing to compromise doesn't mean you bend over and let the tories shaft you. He's a pillock. I have voted liberal since I was able to vote. No more.

Exclusive: PM's plan to import US adviser angers police chiefs - Crime, UK - The Independent

Speaking to The Independent on Sunday, Sir Hugh issued his third rebuke in a week to Mr Cameron, suggesting that his handling of the crisis has been less than sure-footed. Sir Hugh said: "I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them. It seems to me, if you've got 400 gangs, then you're not being very effective. If you look at the style of policing in the States, and their levels of violence, they are so fundamentally different from here.

"What I suggested to the Home Secretary is a more sensible approach, maybe to look across far wider styles of policing; and, more usefully, at European styles – they, like us, are bound by the European Convention. My sense is, when we've done that, we will find the British model is probably the top. We will not get things right all the time. It's sad it takes an event like this to counter some of the more negative attacks on policing which is totally unjustified."


I had hoped we had got away from this sucking up to americans. As to one of your points about how the tories would have let murdoch have bskyb - yes they would and would the lib dems have been able to stop them> No!

gmc;1365197 wrote: posted by oscar



Nick Griffin, Cook Report, 1997 - YouTube


Dear oh dear... The one most heavily edited clip on you tube surfaces again.

A more balanced view

Nick Griffin v Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight - YouTube

Pay particular attention to his once belief being put to the democratic vote of party members and being out-voted.

As I said he has his faults but then show me a politician who has not retreated at some point?

oscar;1365198 wrote: Dear oh dear... The one most heavily edited clip on you tube surfaces again.

A more balanced view

Nick Griffin v Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight - YouTube

Pay particular attention to his once belief being put to the democratic vote of party members and being out-voted.

As I said he has his faults but then show me a politician who has not retreated at some point?


They didn't once mention the holocaust which is actually the bit I was responding to. He wouldn't get away with being anti-semitic nowadays muslims are the new jews when it comes to bigotry nowadays. religion is what is causing the problem in northern ireland. We should incarcerate all religious fundamentalists on the grounds they are all clinically insane.

gmc;1365208 wrote: They didn't once mention the holocaust which is actually the bit I was responding to. He wouldn't get away with being anti-semitic nowadays muslims are the new jews when it comes to bigotry nowadays. religion is what is causing the problem in northern ireland. We should incarcerate all religious fundamentalists on the grounds they are all clinically insane. I am not denying that NG has made a prize knob of himself In the past but what I do know Is that the Party has evolved over the past 30 years and many policies changed towards the left. The BNP today is far removed from The days of Tyndall and the NF.

Nicks main problem with Zionists Is that they actually fund the EDL ( Ha, bet you didn't know that Clod !! ) and the BNP do not want to be associated with the EDL whatsoever. They are nothing but drunken football hooligans and a bloody embarrassment to the country.

Warning This may contain foul language... I don't know because I won't watch more than 10 seconds of It.

EDL singing UK National Anthem using Israeli flag - YouTube

Interesting outcome of the BNP leadership challenge Voting only to members over two years. After re-counts, NG only clung on by 9 votes.

gmc;1365208 wrote: They didn't once mention the holocaust which is actually the bit I was responding to. He wouldn't get away with being anti-semitic nowadays muslims are the new jews when it comes to bigotry nowadays. religion is what is causing the problem in northern ireland. We should incarcerate all religious fundamentalists on the grounds they are all clinically insane.


It matters not weather Holocaust denial Is a criminal offence here. I have seen enough jumped up charges against key figures In the BNP to know they will find something.

Plod could charge him with 'Inciting racial hatred' or 'Outraging public decency''

I would have thought plod would be getting tired of targeting key figures by now considering the amount of Not guilty verdicts.

Another key figure was charged last year with Inciting racial hatred on the Internet. What a surprise, he too was found not guilty !!! But... They found him guilty of posting a post on the Internet during class. ( How pathetic !! )

Now the same key figure Is up In court this week for some more nonsence. It makes a mockery of democracy and free speech.