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Seems the israelis will have their promised land whatever the cost.

Secret papers reveal slow death of Middle East peace process | World news | The Guardian

The overall impression that emerges from the documents, which stretch from 1999 to 2010, is of the weakness and growing desperation of PA leaders as failure to reach agreement or even halt all settlement temporarily undermines their credibility in relation to their Hamas rivals; the papers also reveal the unyielding confidence of Israeli negotiators and the often dismissive attitude of US politicians towards Palestinian representatives.


If you were a Palestinian reading these what would you do?

gmc;1352020 wrote: Seems the israelis will have their promised land whatever the cost.

Secret papers reveal slow death of Middle East peace process | World news | The Guardian



If you were a Palestinian reading these what would you do?


Seeing as diplomacy and negotiation was getting me nowhere and given that I have no real weapons to make a fight of it I'd probable use what little I could make with myself as the delivery system to do as much harm to those opressing me as possible.

Oh, sorry, that is what the Palestinians are reduced to

The world has been given proof ten times over that the Israel government is not acting in good faith. The question is not what the Palestinians will do. Resolution relies on what the rest of the world will do.

Again, I think the world needs to declare Palestine a state with the borders of the Balfour Declaration. Without the support of other nations the Palestinians have no other choice but to defend themselves violently. It took much less death for Gandhi to get support. We can't expect peaceful protesters to allow themselves to go extinct before we start showing support.

koan;1352056 wrote: The world has been given proof ten times over that the Israel government is not acting in good faith. The question is not what the Palestinians will do. Resolution relies on what the rest of the world will do.

Again, I think the world needs to declare Palestine a state with the borders of the Balfour Declaration. Without the support of other nations the Palestinians have no other choice but to defend themselves violently. It took much less death for Gandhi to get support. We can't expect peaceful protesters to allow themselves to go extinct before we start showing support.


The difference with ghandi was a british public that didn't think that slaughtering unarmed peaceful protesters was acceptable behaviour, when they found out about it that is. The israelis keep electing right wing governments and the american public can't get past seeing the palestinians as terrorists.

Palestine papers: MI6 plan proposed internment

The former MI6 officer Alistair Crooke, who worked for the EU in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said today that the documents reflected a 2003 decision by Tony Blair to tie UK and EU security policy in the West Bank and Gaza to a US-led "counter-insurgency surge" against Hamas – which backfired when the Islamists won the 2006 elections.


Trust Tony to get it wrong - or maybe god was talking to him again. That he is now middles east peace envoy is unbelievable, you could not make this stuff up could you.

There's certainly no two-state solution left. What we have is a single patch of ground, called Israel, with both Jew and Arab residents.

Firstly, they should all be citizens of Israel - the two-state apartheid Bantustan imitation of the old South Africa has to be completely rejected by everyone. By sanctions if need be, against both Israel and its sponsor nation.

Secondly, the entire legal system from the Constitution down to the litter laws needs to be purged of all reference to whether your passbook is stamped Jew or not. The new Israel has to be oblivious as to whether a citizen regards himself as Jewish or Arab, or whether some other party regards the citizen as Jewish or Arab.

That's the one-state solution, and it will work. It just has to be adopted. It's not going to be adopted voluntarily by the current Israeli government, that's for sure. So impose it in exactly the same way it was imposed on South Africa. International sanctions.

I'm sure I speak on behalf of President Ahmadinejad of Iran as well as myself. The only reason he's not personally endorsed this post is that I've not asked him to.