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At least 10 dead in Moscow airport blast: report | Reuters

(Reuters) - At least 10 people were killed and 20 injured in a suicide bomb blast at Moscow's Domodedovo airport Monday, Interfax news agency reported.

People have died and confusion abounds. It's rare to see those words in a context free of US military involvement.

I'm seeing lots of suicide attacks mentioned.

Can I get some simple language background here? I freely admit that I walk around most times with my head up my midwest ass, but a brief (non lecturing) explanation of this areas current issues would be appreciated.

The Russians have spent the last ten years flattening Chechnya, an Islamic Republic in the North Caucasus which is a hilly bit south of Russia. Chechens have committed terrorist attacks within Russia. Russia has been known to blow up a few buildings in Moscow in order to blame non-existent Chechen terrorists, too. So it's said. Nobody in the West could really complain at the Russians beating hell out of the Chechens because the West was doing exactly the same thing to Afghanistan at the same time.

The last major Chechen attack in Moscow was ten months ago:The 2010 Moscow Metro bombings were suicide bombings carried out by two women during the morning rush hour of March 29, 2010, at two stations of the Moscow Metro (Lubyanka and Park Kultury), with roughly 40 minutes interval between. At least 40 people were killed, and over 100 injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Moscow_Metro_bombings

Here is RTs coverage. There was an explosion in Ufa also in a coffee shop which they attributed to a gas leak. This does happen so I think they're right on that one. Domodedovo is the main hub for domestic flights in Moscow and this was in the arrival hall so it was probably in a bag. I'll bet that bag came from the Kavkaz region. Kavkaz is the southern region of Russia where Chechnya and Dagestan are. If it did come from Grozny there'll be hell to pay.

Deadly blast at Moscow

English Russia » Another Act Of Terrorism?

Can I get some simple language background here? I freely admit that I walk around most times with my head up my midwest ass, but a brief (non lecturing) explanation of this areas current issues would be appreciated.


In the '90s under Yeltsin several wars were fought in the Kavkaz region, Chechnya being the main conflict. This is a extension of the "Great Game", the fight for influence for central Asian resources. It was brutal to say the least and the republic was essentially flattened. Putin became "president" of Russia in 2000 and using some heavy handed tactics placed Ramzan Kadyrov in power. Since about 2004 significant progress has been made in living standards and aside from police actions now and then there is a pretty tight lid on things.

There have been quite a few instances of terrorist acts in Moscow and around Russia. It is an ongoing problem as the main characters are not in the country. These terrorists are supported by the west through people like Boris Berezhovsky who resides in England and the Saudis. Since US supported Saakashvilli came to power in Georgia terrorists activities have become more frequent and Georgia is a known conduit for terrorism to Russia. Georgia and Russia fought briefly in August 2008 over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. After greasing the Georgian army in a matter of hours Russia now has significant forces in the area.

That's the whole mess in brief. I hope I didn't lecture you.

I also should add that the Russians and Kavkazians hate one another with a passion. Both sides are racist as can be and racial oriented murder on the streets of Moscow is not uncommon. Go to Youtube and search.

Not verified but it is being said that a lot of flights from Europe had just landed, not a lot of people as the planes were smaller types. I am quite sure Lufthansa has it's terminal there unless they moved it back to Shremetevo 1 or 2. Planes are landing where ever they can, a few have been diverted to Smolensk. Domodedovo is still taking emergency flights. Lots of traffic was in the air. Cabbies are asking for as much as $700 to get to Moscow. The Domodedovo Metro station is only about 6 miles away? What pricks. All Russian news channels are so loaded you can't get good links.

This is graphic. It's so strange/scary. I've been in this area of the airport.

YouTube -!

The blast was not in the baggage claim area, it was in the waiting/pickup area. You can walk right in from the street. I think that's going to change. Peter Levell mentioned something, a few days ago Russia and Afghanistan had a big meeting concerning trade. I'm willing to be there's a link.

Scrat;1351928 wrote: That's the whole mess in brief. I hope I didn't lecture you. :)I'm glad you mentioned the Saudi involvement. I didn't see how to bring that up without making it sound ridiculous.

That video clip is dreadful. There's no excuse for that sort of event.

None of the news networks Fox, MSNBC, CNN covering it other then putting it on the bottom line. All they are reporting about is the weather isn't that what the local news is for?

Ah well. Foreign innit.

It's the lead story on all the BBC news programs and the website.

CNN in the last 10 MIN just now started with it as the lead story. MSNBC and Fox are still talking about what would be said tommorow in the State of the union

The major networks are probably trying to think of a way to blame Putin for it.:yh_rotfl

Not really, it wasn't that big of an event for Americans, the Russians can handle this easy enough. The problem is prevention. A lot of those people are really hard to spot because they fit right in with the population of Moscow. Terrorists with blond hair and blue eyes can be real dangerous. The opportunities for mayhem abound too, the Moscow metro moves 8 million people a day. You can't search everyone.

This is a video of one of the bigger metro stations. What can you do?

YouTube - Moscow metro - Komsomolskaja station

Awful

BBC News - Moscow bombing: Carnage at Russia's Domodedovo airport

and WOW:-2

Russian Media Points to Moscow Airport Attack in U.S. Video Game - NYTimes.com

Well here's the latest from NYT. They are making a good point about state sponsored terrorism which goes with the thread about the Cuban guy that bombed a hotel. President Medvedev was supposed to be in Davros for a business summit. This guy pulled his stunt at an international air terminal just after a lot of international flights had landed.

Think there's a message here, a purpose? I do. He could have much more easily went to the metro and probably could have gotten a better, more bloody result.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/world ... s&emc=tha2

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Scrat;1352004 wrote: One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.Woman, in this case. One of those widows who swore revenge on a stack of bibles.

Scrat;1352004 wrote:

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.


If you're fighting for freedom that's one thing. If you're fighting for oppression, that's another.



In the case of Chechnya v Russia, that issue is still to be determined.

BaghdadBob;1352066 wrote: If you're fighting for freedom that's one thing. If you're fighting for oppression, that's another.



In the case of Chechnya v Russia, that issue is still to be determined.


The only trouble with that statement is that you insist on deciding which is which :yh_rotfl

To an unbiased observer, the people in a country that's been invaded who are fighting to rid the country of the invaders are freedom fighters - the ones doing the invading are the terrorists and oppressors.

In the case of Chechnya v Russia, that issue is still to be determined.


Determined by what criteria?:-2 Russia is trying to do 2 things, keep the nutjob jihadists from their cities and at least a fair degree of civilization in the countries of her southern border. The world doesn't need another Somalia and Russia doesn't need one in her neighborhood.

Damn, after Russia left in the mid '90s they brought back slave markets.

Scrat;1352122 wrote: Damn, after Russia left in the mid '90s they brought back slave markets.If unfettered capitalism ever makes a comeback slave markets will become commonplace, you mark my words.

Bryn Mawr;1352097 wrote: The only trouble with that statement is that you insist on deciding which is which :yh_rotfl

To an unbiased observer, the people in a country that's been invaded who are fighting to rid the country of the invaders are freedom fighters - the ones doing the invading are the terrorists and oppressors.


So, when the Brits entered Germany in WW2, y'all were the terrorists and oppressors and the nazis were the freedom fighters cuz Germany was a free society before you maniacs got there.

So noted. I won't make that mistake again.

spot;1352123 wrote: If unfettered capitalism ever makes a comeback slave markets will become commonplace, you mark my words.


Would it be like the govt sponsored slavery we have here in the new plantations - the inner cities - where instead of providing wealth to their donk owners thru field work they do so thru the ballot box.

Scrat;1352122 wrote: Determined by what criteria?:-2 Russia is trying to do 2 things, keep the nutjob jihadists from their cities and at least a fair degree of civilization in the countries of her southern border. The world doesn't need another Somalia and Russia doesn't need one in her neighborhood.

Damn, after Russia left in the mid '90s they brought back slave markets.


You need to get together with Bryn. In his world, the Ruskies are terrorists and oppressors.

If unfettered capitalism ever makes a comeback slave markets will become commonplace, you mark my words.


Of that I have no doubt. We have made much headway towards that here in America. Many people have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to make a living. It's just one step from slavery.

Here's some pics from the blast. I guess there was a lot of people coming to the airport to give free rides to stranded people. A slap in the face to the thieving cabbies, much needed. Good to know that some people are kind enough to care. Just for the record there was no cabbies charging 350 to 700 dollars for a ride. It was more like 100 to the metro, about 5 miles away.

English Russia » More Details On The Accident At Domodedovo Airport

You need to get together with Bryn. In his world, the Ruskies are terrorists and oppressors.


Nobody hasn't got skeletons in the closet, I don't disagree with Bryns side but I'm not willing to accept the alternative. Lesser of 2 evils.

BaghdadBob;1352127 wrote: Would it be like the govt sponsored slavery we have here in the new plantations - the inner cities - where instead of providing wealth to their donk owners thru field work they do so thru the ballot box.Exactly so, comrade. Go tell it from the mountains. Once the majority realize the truth we'll construct ourselves a new political order from the ground up.

spot;1352143 wrote: Exactly so, comrade. Go tell it from the mountains. Once the majority realize the truth we'll construct ourselves a new political order from the ground up.


like this

BaghdadBob;1352126 wrote: So, when the Brits entered Germany in WW2, y'all were the terrorists and oppressors and the nazis were the freedom fighters cuz Germany was a free society before you maniacs got there.

So noted. I won't make that mistake again.


Do you know anything of history?

Obviously not given remarks like the above!

BaghdadBob;1352128 wrote: You need to get together with Bryn. In his world, the Ruskies are terrorists and oppressors.


Care to point out where I made, or even implied, the words you put into my "world".

Or is it just another of your fantasies?

I'm surprised there was enough left of the bomber to identify.

Police make suspect list in airport blast - UPI.com

And just to show how advanced our own security is becoming.....

U.S. scrapping color-coded terror alerts - UPI.com

Bryn Mawr;1352168 wrote: Care to point out where I made, or even implied, the words you put into my "world".

Or is it just another of your fantasies?


Mebbe you were stoned and don't remmeber when you wrote this?

To an unbiased observer, the people in a country that's been invaded who are fighting to rid the country of the invaders are freedom fighters - the ones doing the invading are the terrorists and oppressors.

Bryn Mawr;1352166 wrote: Do you know anything of history?

Obviously not given remarks like the above!


I did not know you Brits were the bad guys. I learn something everyday. Just going by what you wrote...

To an unbiased observer, the people in a country that's been invaded who are fighting to rid the country of the invaders are freedom fighters - the ones doing the invading are the terrorists and oppressors.

Bryn Mawr;1352166 wrote: Do you know anything of history?

Obviously not given remarks like the above!


History happens in segments and one part of history does not relate to the other with BB so as he refers to the British entering Germany in WW2 he is referring to that part of history not the part where Germany invaded Poland or France etc..., those parts have to be explained as well, and the international political atmosphere in Europe at the time, though you will most likely have to explain international politics as it was at the time. Definitely German Fascism he seems to have a poor idea of what that was, he often confuses it with socialism, and then that with communism and often has to be reminded of the differences but as is his stick stubbornly ignores them. I have given up on him and his craziness and have just joined in with my own version of the craziness we apparently have home lobotomy kits if you want to join too.

BaghdadBob;1352180 wrote: Mebbe you were stoned and don't remmeber when you wrote this?


So when the Russians invaded Afghanistan they were terrorists and opressors - I hadn't realised you were going back that far.

BaghdadBob;1352181 wrote: I did not know you Brits were the bad guys. I learn something everyday. Just going by what you wrote...


So when, in your version of history did Britain open agresssion by invading Germany?

In WWII, Germany opened agression by invading a country with which we had a mutual defence treaty and thereby invaded us.

Having given Hitler a reasonable deadline by which Germany should cease that invasion and withdraw her troops, and Germany having refused to do so, the implicit state of war that existed between the two countries became an explicit state of war - started by Germany.

Where, in that sequence of events, did Britain invade Germany?

I just think it's sad.

Photoblog - Memorial service held for Russian airport bombing victims

No sign of "black widows" in Moscow airport bombing, say officials - Monsters and Critics

Putin says Chechens not behind deadly Moscow airport bombing

Here's Ramzan Kadyrov on the subject. He's the warlord Putin installed in power there and the warlord Russia backs. Not the best of arrangements but it sire as hell is better than the terrorists running the place or continuous civil war. At least the people can live decent lives in a secular society.

The US should leave the Caucasus alone