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A few statements of fact go a long way in this naughty world.

Is Luis Posada Carriles in custody within the US, held by US law enforcement? Yes.

Did Luis Posada Carriles organise a series of hotel bombings in Cuba in 1997, injuring 11 people and killing Italian businessman Fabio diCelmo? Yes, he says. To quote the New York Times, "We just wanted to make a big scandal so that the tourists don't come anymore," Posada told the newspaper. "The Italian was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I sleep like a baby."

I'm not even going to mention the bombing of Cubana Airlines flight 455 and the deaths of all 73 on board.

Has Luis Posada Carriles been charged with any terrorist offences by US law enforcement agencies? No.

Why not? Because terrorism is regarded as acceptable in the USA when it's sponsored by American intelligence agencies.

How do you demonstrate that's a falsehood? Prosecute Luis Posada Carriles in a US court under America's anti-terrorism laws instead of immigration technicalities. Account in open court for the responsibility and planning behind those deaths. Who knows, maybe it would clean the reputation of those intelligence agencies, though one wonders why the charges haven't been brought if that's the case.

Don't mention the IRA.

I'm unfamiliar with this story, is this man a US citizen? Regardless of his nationality, I don't understand why the US is holding him when the crimes were committed in Cuba. Extradite him and let them punish him.

Or am I missing something?

SnoozeAgain;1351902 wrote: I'm unfamiliar with this story, is this man a US citizen? Regardless of his nationality, I don't understand why the US is holding him when the crimes were committed in Cuba. Extradite him and let them punish him.

Or am I missing something?Umm. Let me think for a moment. Is anything else relevant.

Ah. I've got it. Wait a mo...While Posada himself did not fight at the Bay of Pigs, CIA officials thought he was promising and he joined US army in 1963 at their behest, training at Ft. Benning, Georgia. By 1965, he was a paid CIA operative stationed in Miami. "The CIA taught us everything," he told The New York Times in 1998. "They taught us explosives, how to kill, bomb trained us in acts of sabotage." He stayed with the agency in Miami until 1967, and later became a "paid asset" in Venezuela from 1968 to 1976, according to declassified documents.

After the Cuban attack, and his escape from prison, Posada returned to the CIA's payroll in the 1980s, supervising arms shipments to the Contras in Nicaragua as part of what became known as the Iran-Contra affair, a murky scandal where the US government funneled money from arms sales to Iran—its official enemy- to right-wing militias in Nicaragua. His history with the CIA and other clandestine operations means that Posada "has a lot of secrets to tell and friends in high places in Washington," Pertierra, Venezuela’s lawyer, said in an interview with Al Jazeera outside the court-house.

CIA-trained 'terrorist' in US court

By all means extradite him to Cuba, yes. A perfect solution all round, go for it.

The crimes may have been committed in Cuba but they were commissioned and planned in the US. I think that allows jurisdiction for a US court.

He needs to be shipped to Cuba

flopstock;1351906 wrote: He needs to be shipped to Cuba


Actually I think he needs to be front-page news all over the USA for several months. I'm shocked at the idea he might be mostly unheard of.

I may be wrong but the CIA seems to prefer to employ foreigners for the - what's the polite euphemism? wet work? - on the grounds that they can be abandoned and plausibly denied more readily than a US citizen can. Rather like they did that chap who ran Panama for a while, he was one of theirs.

spot;1351908 wrote: Actually I think he needs to be front-page news all over the USA for several months. I'm shocked at the idea he might be mostly unheard of.

I may be wrong but the CIA seems to prefer to employ foreigners for the - what's the polite euphemism? wet work? - on the grounds that they can be abandoned and plausibly denied more readily than a US citizen can. Rather like they did that chap who ran Panama for a while, he was one of theirs.


It says he was deported but that no country would take him and they don't want to send him to cuba or Venezuela for fear he'd be tortured. So he's living in miami with his family.

He's 82-84.

He should call WikiLeaks

flopstock;1351918 wrote: It says he was deported but that no country would take him and they don't want to send him to cuba or Venezuela for fear he'd be tortured. So he's living in miami with his family.

He's 82-84.

He should call WikiLeaks


And terrorism is regarded as acceptable in the USA when it's sponsored by American intelligence agencies. I mentioned that earlier.

spot;1351919 wrote: And terrorism is regarded as acceptable in the USA when it's sponsored by American intelligence agencies. I mentioned that earlier.


You mentioning it doesn't make it fact. If he's been deported, he should be held the same way other detainees are held who have been deported.

flopstock;1351920 wrote: You mentioning it doesn't make it fact. If he's been deported, he should be held the same way other detainees are held who have been deported.


Are you saying those terrorist crimes of Luis Posada Carriles are outside US jurisdiction? I disagree with you if that's your suggestion. They were planned on US soil, they need investigating by US law enforcement and prosecuting in US courts. Why would you not want home-grown terrorism prosecuted in a US court?

He is Cuba's Bin Laden.

The US condemned any country that harbours terrorists.

The US is harbouring Carilles.

The Afghans supposedly had Bin Laden and look what the US decided was appropriate: Hand him over or we'll invade your country and get him ourselves.

The US definitely has Carilles. Cuba hasn't launched an invasion yet. Probably because they don't want to be burdened with trying to occupy it for a decade afterward.

The US trained Bin Laden. The US trained Carilles.

The US declared war on all terrorists.

Apparently not all of them.

Some of them get to live in Miami.

Spot, I would never doubt your insider knowledge of the CIA and it's operatives, but how do we know this man was actually affiliated with that organization. Chuck Barris claimed to by an agent as well but, call me cynical, I suspect he's incorrect.

SnoozeAgain;1351960 wrote: Spot, I would never doubt your insider knowledge of the CIA and it's operatives, but how do we know this man was actually affiliated with that organization. Chuck Barris claimed to by an agent as well but, call me cynical, I suspect he's incorrect.


Google his name and CIA and site:.gov and you pull up various unclassified confirmations from US government websites.

This is in www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/07/07 ... .pdfBefore KING, HIGGINBOTHAM, and SOUTHWICK, Circuit Judges. The United States appeals the dismissal of an indictment charging false statements in naturalization proceedings [...] A. Factual Background [...] In 1961, Posada became involved with the planning for the Bay of Pigs invasion and was brought into contact with the CIA. He later enlisted in the United States Army, was commissioned a second lieutenant, and received special training at Fort Benning with other former members of the 2506th Cuban Brigade who had been commissioned in the United States Armed Forces. Posada was honorably discharged from the Army in March 1964. Unclassified documents contained in the record indicate that from 1965 until 1974 he operated as a paid CIA asset, although Posada asserts that he maintained a relationship with the CIA well into the 1980’s.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/posada/19761016.pdf is a declassified CIA report on the plane bombing: "We have determined that this agency had a relationship with one person whose name has been mentioned in connection [...] Possada is a former agent of CIA".

Bill Text - 110th Congress (2007-2008) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) is "H.RES.425 -- Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that Luis Posada Carriles, mastermind of the vicious attack on Cubana Airlines Flight 455 and perpetrator of numerous other acts... " and goes on at length about how horrid he is. Being the House of Representatives they couldn't bring themselves to mention the CIA but the horrid is fairly explicit.

I don't have Ann Louise Bardach's Cuba Confidential book but the House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight took her statement which covers a lot of the ground as far his continued involvement with the CIA during the criminal Iran/Contra terror spree's concerned. Her testimony's at http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/bar111507.htm and the Iran/Contra bit is at "Mr. Posada went to El Salvador and re-established ties with the CIA. He became involved there in supplying arms to the U.S.-backed Contras fighting the Sandinistas in Nicaragua". In her book she says he was paid $3,000 per month plus expenses from U.S. Major General Richard Secord, who was directing operations for Oliver North.

And your news outlets don't discuss him? That's plain pernicious.