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Here's the scenario. It's still in progress & I'll give further updates as it comes. For right now, I want to see your reactions/opinions having only the limited information this guy had at hand.

Last June, a family man with several pets, all rescued from shelters, comes across an obviously abandoned puppy (dirty, distended belly, etc). He takes the puppy home as a new member of the family.

Over the next weeks and months, the pup proves to be smart & energetic, curious to a fault, and enjoys harassing the family cat maybe a little too much. Training is not a problem, though the parents had to keep a constant eye on him. Those of you with energetic boys can probably relate.

As the pup grew, it was obvious that he had that 'alpha dog' personality. On two occasions he actually protested being punished by bearing his teeth and once by growling at the man, who did the Dog Whisperer thing & rolled the pup on his back & held him to show who's the boss.

The last straw: Friday evening the pup, now about 7 months old and 85 pounds, once again got into the cat's food. Dad once again yelled at him, who once again backed off and headed for the back door to be put outside ... once again. But when Dad came close to open the door, the pup attacked him, biting deep into his forearm. In the struggle, the owner was bitten twice more before getting a grip good enough to hold the pup down.

The owner called for his wife to bring the choker collar and the gun. They put the collar on the pup, wrestled him out the door, and put a bullet in the back of his head.

Opinions? Was the owner justified in killing the pup? Would you have done differently?

Undoubtedly justified, yes. And I'd not have been in that position of adopting the puppy in the first place. I don't have any more to say than that, it would deflect your thread. I note that in the UK it would have been a professional who put the animal down but that's just the culture gap.

Accountable;1351547 wrote: Opinions? Was the owner justified in killing the pup? Would you have done differently?


I wooda had the dogs nuts snipped off after the first incident. You know, just like when you get married.

Also, unless he was under an unprovoked attack, he had no business capping the dog. If he didn't want him alive, there a shelters that will euthanize the dog for a few bux. You know, just like obomba-care will do to old folks.

Did they eat the meat?

Accountable;1351547 wrote: Here's the scenario. It's still in progress & I'll give further updates as it comes. For right now, I want to see your reactions/opinions having only the limited information this guy had at hand.

Last June, a family man with several pets, all rescued from shelters, comes across an obviously abandoned puppy (dirty, distended belly, etc). He takes the puppy home as a new member of the family.

Over the next weeks and months, the pup proves to be smart & energetic, curious to a fault, and enjoys harassing the family cat maybe a little too much. Training is not a problem, though the parents had to keep a constant eye on him. Those of you with energetic boys can probably relate.

As the pup grew, it was obvious that he had that 'alpha dog' personality. On two occasions he actually protested being punished by bearing his teeth and once by growling at the man, who did the Dog Whisperer thing & rolled the pup on his back & held him to show who's the boss.

The last straw: Friday evening the pup, now about 7 months old and 85 pounds, once again got into the cat's food. Dad once again yelled at him, who once again backed off and headed for the back door to be put outside ... once again. But when Dad came close to open the door, the pup attacked him, biting deep into his forearm. In the struggle, the owner was bitten twice more before getting a grip good enough to hold the pup down.

The owner called for his wife to bring the choker collar and the gun. They put the collar on the pup, wrestled him out the door, and put a bullet in the back of his head.

Opinions? Was the owner justified in killing the pup? Would you have done differently?


It's not clear how the dog was being punished or why. My dog drew blood as a pup with those razor sharp puppy teeth they have, tap on the nose and he doesn't bite any more nor do we encourage even soft mouthing. He's friendly and cute but I wouldn't leave any dog alone with little kids. That aside 85 pounds at seven months and it's going to be big and possibly dangerous if he can't control it. I'd dispose of a dog if I thought it dangerous, but obviously not myself I'd give it to the rspca or shelter.

Is your issue with the killing or the way it was done?

I'm not a dog person but I strongly suspect they should have had a professional dog trainer involved with the puppy at a young age since it was fairly obvious whatever they were doing wasn't working. And shooting the dog in the head sounds more like an act of vengeance when there are animal rescue groups that help rehabilitate even violent dogs so they can go on to new homes.

Sad story.

BaghdadBob;1351555 wrote: I wooda had the dogs nuts snipped off after the first incident. You know, just like when you get married.

Also, unless he was under an unprovoked attack, he had no business capping the dog. If he didn't want him alive, there a shelters that will euthanize the dog for a few bux. You know, just like obomba-care will do to old folks. :(Double standards, BD. If it's okay to shoot other animals (including humans), why not Dogs?

Ahso!;1351564 wrote: Double standards, BD. If it's okay to shoot other animals (including humans), why not Dogs?


unless he was under an unprovoked attack,


You have a massive comprehension problem. Could I have been any clearer?

PS Am I the only old fart that remembers when it was spelled dilemna with an "N"?

BaghdadBob;1351567 wrote: You have a massive comprehension problem. Could I have been any clearer?Remember, BD, it's a communications problem on your part. Focus!

So you're in favor of outlawing hunting?

Ahso!;1351570 wrote: Remember, BD, it's a communications problem on your part. Focus!

So you're in favor of outlawing hunting?


It's BB as in Baghdad Bob. Two words each begins with a B. Get it?

You should sue the hell outta the skule you're attending, but then again, I doubt they can held responsible for teaching you common sense.

SnoozeAgain;1351569 wrote: PS Am I the only old fart that remembers when it was spelled dilemna with an "N"?


The online Oxford English Dictionary has a single instance from a 1580 edition of a 1551 book, where the original spelling was in any case Dilemma: 1551 T. Wilson Rule of Reason: Dilemma [1580 Dilemna], otherwise‥called a horned Argument.

I don't think either of us has ever seen the word correctly spelled as Dilemna. I wonder what word you're mistaking it for? Duckweed is correctly spelled "lemna", apparently, but it's not that either.

I actually laughed out loud just now, I've never seen a thread get so thoroughly derailed so quickly. Well done!

BaghdadBob;1351571 wrote: It's BB as in Baghdad Bob. Two words each begins with a B. Get it?

You should sue the hell outta the skule you're attending, but then again, I doubt they can held responsible for teaching you common sense.:wah:

SnoozeAgain;1351573 wrote: I actually laughed out loud just now, I've never seen a thread get so thoroughly derailed so quickly. Well done!


It's a gift.

spot;1351572 wrote: The online Oxford English Dictionary has a single instance from a 1580 edition of a 1551 book, where the original spelling was in any case Dilemma: 1551 T. Wilson Rule of Reason: Dilemma [1580 Dilemna], otherwise‥called a horned Argument.

I don't think either of us has ever seen the word correctly spelled as Dilemna. I wonder what word you're mistaking it for? Duckweed is correctly spelled "lemna", apparently, but it's not that either.


Blame my 1970s California education but apparently I'm not the only one:

The dilemma of dilemna - One Of Us Creative Writing Website

BaghdadBob;1351571 wrote: It's BB as in Baghdad Bob. Two words each begins with a B. Get it?

You should sue the hell outta the skule you're attending, but then again, I doubt they can held responsible for teaching you common sense.I'm different. Bags?

spot;1351572 wrote: The online Oxford English Dictionary has a single instance from a 1580 edition of a 1551 book, where the original spelling was in any case Dilemma: 1551 T. Wilson Rule of Reason: Dilemma [1580 Dilemna], otherwise‥called a horned Argument.

I don't think either of us has ever seen the word correctly spelled as Dilemna. I wonder what word you're mistaking it for? Duckweed is correctly spelled "lemna", apparently, but it's not that either.


You Brits need to clean up yer spellings. Its' honor, color, dilemma. :rolleyes:

SnoozeAgain;1351573 wrote: I actually laughed out loud just now, I've never seen a thread get so thoroughly derailed so quickly. Well done!Accountable needs to drip some more of that info out. We're ready, Acct.

Oops, Floppy hasn't weighed in yet.

I'd like to read Valerie's opinion as well.

SnoozeAgain;1351581 wrote: I'd like to read Valerie's opinion as well.Valerie hardly comes out to play. I think you'll need a recipe or something to schmooze her. Koan and Wisey may be along soon though.

SnoozeAgain;1351577 wrote: Blame my 1970s California education but apparently I'm not the only one:

The dilemma of dilemna - One Of Us Creative Writing Website


That's a good find. So yes, it was taught but nobody can find a dictionary confirming the use.

Dilemna is startlingly rare in current professional English though. In the last month, checking on Nexis, 1776 US newspaper articles used dilemma to 3 using dilemna. In the UK the figures are 711 to 1. In the entire Nexis news database I find 112 articles with both spellings which strikes me as a lot of typos, not one of them also using the word "dictionary".

spot;1351554 wrote: Undoubtedly justified, yes. And I'd not have been in that position of adopting the puppy in the first place. I don't have any more to say than that, it would deflect your thread. I note that in the UK it would have been a professional who put the animal down but that's just the culture gap.


BaghdadBob;1351555 wrote: I wooda had the dogs nuts snipped off after the first incident. You know, just like when you get married.

Also, unless he was under an unprovoked attack, he had no business capping the dog. If he didn't want him alive, there a shelters that will euthanize the dog for a few bux. You know, just like obomba-care will do to old folks.


gmc;1351560 wrote: It's not clear how the dog was being punished or why. My dog drew blood as a pup with those razor sharp puppy teeth they have, tap on the nose and he doesn't bite any more nor do we encourage even soft mouthing. He's friendly and cute but I wouldn't leave any dog alone with little kids. That aside 85 pounds at seven months and it's going to be big and possibly dangerous if he can't control it. I'd dispose of a dog if I thought it dangerous, but obviously not myself I'd give it to the rspca or shelter.

Is your issue with the killing or the way it was done?


SnoozeAgain;1351561 wrote: I'm not a dog person but I strongly suspect they should have had a professional dog trainer involved with the puppy at a young age since it was fairly obvious whatever they were doing wasn't working. And shooting the dog in the head sounds more like an act of vengeance when there are animal rescue groups that help rehabilitate even violent dogs so they can go on to new homes.

Sad story.
Okay, clarifying points (I hope):

* As I understand it, the pets are all taught to eat their own food and avoid everyone else's. I easily teach any of my pets not to mess with my food, even if I leave it in a tempting place, such as the coffee table. I haven't had a mix of pets, but I spose it's the same principle.

* The man mentioned that tapping the nose is a standard punishment for unwanted behavior, and that's what he was planning to do when the pup attacked.

* This happened on a Friday evening, when everything is closed and any response would likely not have been until Monday anyway, but last Monday was a government holiday, Martin Luther King Day. That means keeping a biting dog in a home with children and pets for up to 4 days.

* Don't forget the immediate danger. The pup was actively struggling against the owner & had already bitten him hard 3 times in just this minute or so; it was likely he would try to bite again if the owner let go. The pup had never bitten the man in anger before, only little nips when playing.



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I don't know if the guy had the pup neutered or not. I'll ask him Monday.

My issue is neither with the killing or the manner of the killing. I'm sure I would have done the same.

Both spellings of dilemma look weird to me so I decided to go with spellcheck.

Out of interest, if he was in a residential area, what precautionary steps did he take to contain the spent bullet rather than have it ricochet about?

Yet they didn't think twice about having a large, untrained dog in the house for the entire time before this event? How many mauling dog stories in the news have to be printed before people grasp the fact they need to train their dogs?

I'm not sure what you're asking, Acc. I think this guy mishandled the situation entirely and probably shouldn't own dogs.

Accountable;1351592 wrote: Okay, clarifying points (I hope):

* As I understand it, the pets are all taught to eat their own food and avoid everyone else's. I easily teach any of my pets not to mess with my food, even if I leave it in a tempting place, such as the coffee table. I haven't had a mix of pets, but I spose it's the same principle.

* The man mentioned that tapping the nose is a standard punishment for unwanted behavior, and that's what he was planning to do when the pup attacked.

* This happened on a Friday evening, when everything is closed and any response would likely not have been until Monday anyway, but last Monday was a government holiday, Martin Luther King Day. That means keeping a biting dog in a home with children and pets for up to 4 days.

* Don't forget the immediate danger. The pup was actively struggling against the owner & had already bitten him hard 3 times in just this minute or so; it was likely he would try to bite again if the owner let go. The pup had never bitten the man in anger before, only little nips when playing.



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I don't know if the guy had the pup neutered or not. I'll ask him Monday.

My issue is neither with the killing or the manner of the killing. I'm sure I would have done the same.

Both spellings of dilemma look weird to me so I decided to go with spellcheck.


If he or a family member was in imminent danger, then I don't have a problem with what he did.

It's always possible the dog was developing a mental disease.

I would shame him tho for not being proactive in having the dog snipped and trained before it culminated in this deadly episode. With pets come responsibilities and he appears to have shirked his somewhat.

Dogs may become aggressive at a certain age when some hormones kick in, this may have been the case here.

spot;1351593 wrote: Out of interest, if he was in a residential area, what precautionary steps did he take to contain the spent bullet rather than have it ricochet about?I'm certain that he aimed toward the ground so that the bullet would hit dirt. I'm not sure what you had in mind. I do know that he lives within the city limits of San Antonio, 7th largest city in the US with a population of about 1.2 million, but not crowded like a typical city.



SnoozeAgain;1351594 wrote: Yet they didn't think twice about having a large, untrained dog in the house for the entire time before this event? How many mauling dog stories in the news have to be printed before people grasp the fact they need to train their dogs?

I'm not sure what you're asking, Acc. I think this guy mishandled the situation entirely and probably shouldn't own dogs.They didn't have a large, untrained dog. They had a puppy and trained him. This was (apparently) not the culmination of a series of attacks; it was sudden and unexpected.



My remarks are not to defend him in any way, only to clarify.

Accountable;1351600 wrote: I'm certain that he aimed toward the ground so that the bullet would hit dirt. I'm not sure what you had in mind.Patio paving slabs.

spot;1351604 wrote: Patio paving slabs.Oh. Good point. No knowledge, sorry, but since he didn't shoot the dog in the kitchen, I'm guessing he didn't mess up the patio, either.

Massive human FAIL long before the bullet to the head.

This dog wasn't angry he was fearful. And being handled in

totally the wrong way, there are so many things wrong here

it saddens me.

We will never know his history prior to being found but I'd

bet folding money it was very difficult. At a critical period

in his development. I don't know where this person got his

other rescues or the age they were when rescued, but this

pup needed experienced behaviorists at the very least. On

two other occasions he growled and showed aggression?

I don't know when they were, but occasion number 1 is when

to ask for help, not later.

Having all the pets leave each others' food alone is great but

it's too much to expect a young dog, found abandoned when

it likely was hardscrabble to get whatever food he could, to

leave high protein cat food alone.

You do NOT remove the dog from the pack at any time. You

do NOT do an alpha roll to "show him who's boss" and you do

NOT drag him away with a choke collar.

He might have been weak nerved. He should have been snipped,

it's true, but that wouldn't have always changed the temperament.

It sounds to me like this person thinks they "know" dogs and they

are the most dangerous kind, because they really don't. and they

won't get help early on.

Barring something extreme, (thyroid rage?) this wouldn't have

happened to me. Yes, I would have handled it differently. If

you have multiple dogs, there are times when you need to

keep one away from the other and you plan ahead. You have

a muzzle and you have a crate and you keep that poor baby

out of harm's way until he can be humanely put down.

And you resolve to do much, much better in the future.

M'kay, here's the rest of the story I know up to this point. Owner put the pup's body in a trash bag and in the garbage to be picked up the next morning. He then went to the doctor. I guess it was to see if he needed stitches, but I didn't see any. The hospital notified the police. I guess it's required by law. This was Friday night.

Tuesday, a city official (don't ask me who, specifically) came to the door & asked for the dog, which was to be quarantined at the owner's expense for at least 10 days for observation, blah blah blah. The guy told the official the dog was dead and in a landfill somewhere.

Thursday, the guy was on the phone with somebody from animal protection or something, who told him he was being charged with animal cruelty, and something about $2000 plus court costs.

I'll keep ya'll updated if you want.

This was a failure of discipline, the dog died because the humans did not train him properly. Simple as that. He did not need to be shot, he just needed his arse beaten really good.

Some people have no right to own pets.

Scrat;1351647 wrote: This was a failure of discipline, the dog died because the humans did not train him properly. Simple as that. He did not need to be shot, he just needed his arse beaten really good.

Some people have no right to own pets.Should the beating have ocurred before or after the biting? If before, well then it was too late. If after, then you would have risked being attacked again by letting go?

I don't see how shooting the dog in the head is any less humane than euthanizing. It takes at least 30 seconds when putting an animal down while a gunshot to the head I'd think would be instantaneous. As I understand it, in euthanizing, the animal's muscles are collapsed and it basically suffocates, is that accurate?

valerie;1351638 wrote: Massive human FAIL long before the bullet to the head.

This dog wasn't angry he was fearful. And being handled in

totally the wrong way, there are so many things wrong here

it saddens me.

We will never know his history prior to being found but I'd

bet folding money it was very difficult. At a critical period

in his development. I don't know where this person got his

other rescues or the age they were when rescued, but this

pup needed experienced behaviorists at the very least. On

two other occasions he growled and showed aggression?

I don't know when they were, but occasion number 1 is when

to ask for help, not later.

Having all the pets leave each others' food alone is great but

it's too much to expect a young dog, found abandoned when

it likely was hardscrabble to get whatever food he could, to

leave high protein cat food alone.

You do NOT remove the dog from the pack at any time. You

do NOT do an alpha roll to "show him who's boss" and you do

NOT drag him away with a choke collar.

He might have been weak nerved. He should have been snipped,

it's true, but that wouldn't have always changed the temperament.

It sounds to me like this person thinks they "know" dogs and they

are the most dangerous kind, because they really don't. and they

won't get help early on.

Barring something extreme, (thyroid rage?) this wouldn't have

happened to me. Yes, I would have handled it differently. If

you have multiple dogs, there are times when you need to

keep one away from the other and you plan ahead. You have

a muzzle and you have a crate and you keep that poor baby

out of harm's way until he can be humanely put down.

And you resolve to do much, much better in the future.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought except with more subject knowledge and better sentence structure.

Accountable;1351646 wrote: M'kay, here's the rest of the story I know up to this point. Owner put the pup's body in a trash bag and in the garbage to be picked up the next morning. He then went to the doctor. I guess it was to see if he needed stitches, but I didn't see any. The hospital notified the police. I guess it's required by law. This was Friday night.

Tuesday, a city official (don't ask me who, specifically) came to the door & asked for the dog, which was to be quarantined at the owner's expense for at least 10 days for observation, blah blah blah. The guy told the official the dog was dead and in a landfill somewhere.

Thursday, the guy was on the phone with somebody from animal protection or something, who told him he was being charged with animal cruelty, and something about $2000 plus court costs.

I'll keep ya'll updated if you want.


Can't really blame them, they've got a guy that's ripped up and no body to examine... as far as they know, he was badly hurting the dog which caused it to bite him. He's screwed.

So he's out 2,000 clams. On one hand I think none of us should own pets, but I don't really believe that. If pets make us more caring and decent minded people, I'm all for it, though far too many pets become abused. What I'm completely opposed to is lobsters in grocery store tanks, fish in bowls, birds in cages, iguanas in tanks and frogs and bees kept in jars. Oh, and I absolutely hate mouse traps.

Scrat;1351647 wrote: This was a failure of discipline, the dog died because the humans did not train him properly. Simple as that. He did not need to be shot, he just needed his arse beaten really good.

Some people have no right to own pets.And you're one of those people.

Dog should have been fixed #1 that might have helped. Once the dog bit the owner it should have been reported and the animal quarantined for possible rabies. Then let animal control decide the dogs future legally. Most likely it would have been put down anyway unfortunately the fault belongs to the owner. As Valerie state massive failings on the owners part.

SnoozeAgain;1351656 wrote: Can't really blame them, they've got a guy that's ripped up and no body to examine... as far as they know, he was badly hurting the dog which caused it to bite him. He's screwed.Yup. Likely.



CARLA;1351659 wrote: Dog should have been fixed #1 that might have helped. Once the dog bit the owner it should have been reported and the animal quarantined for possible rabies. Then let animal control decide the dogs future legally. Most likely it would have been put down anyway unfortunately the fault belongs to the owner. As Valerie state massive failings on the owners part.Once the dog bit the owner he bit the owner again. He was a house dog for something like 5 months, so rabies isn't likely. You recommend that he should have let the dog go and risk being bitten yet again?

Scrat;1351647 wrote: This was a failure of discipline, the dog died because the humans did not train him properly. Simple as that. He did not need to be shot, he just needed his arse beaten really good.

Some people have no right to own pets.


I don't think that any animals should be beaten..... As you, Val and Carla have already said...the animal was not properly trained, or he might have some sort of a medical problem that caused him to react that way.

I love watching the "Dog Whisperer." He knows how to handle and train dogs and gives a lot of great tips to people for training their dogs.

Cesar, the Dog Whisperer, has a lot of good ideas that can also help people behave. I teach 25 wee ones, 9 yrs. old, and they can be extremely chatty and unfocused at times. If I ever showed anger, or yelled at them, which I don't, I would lose their respect for me.

I took Cesars advice and instead of saying shhhhhhhhhh, I say the sound chit, chit, chit and point a finger towards the children. They immediately become silent and look at me. I've also used hand and eye signals and body posture towards the kids when they're not behaving. They then raise their arm and hand towards me to show that they've heard me and calm down. It's like a miracle...no yelling or anger...just showing them that they need to stop their behavior.

I believe that this behavior works towards training dogs and people, if you do it early in the game, will work many times.

http://www.cesarsway.com/

Have you ever taken notice how some of those dogs cower when Cesar walks into that kennel of his?

Ahso!;1351665 wrote: Have you ever taken notice how some of those dogs cower when Cesar walks into that kennel of his?


Yes, I've seen some dogs cower, but most seem happy to see Cesar and wag their tails and flop their tongues. Maybe the ones who cower are those who are still in training and still need help. It's just like people in therapy...some get the fact that they need to change their behavior, and others need more time to adjust.

Kathy Ellen;1351664 wrote: I don't think that any animals should be beaten..... As you, Val and Carla have already said...the animal was not properly trained, or he might have some sort of a medical problem that caused him to react that way.

I love watching the "Dog Whisperer." He knows how to handle and train dogs and gives a lot of great tips to people for training their dogs.

Cesar, the Dog Whisperer, has a lot of good ideas that can also help people behave. I teach 25 wee ones, 9 yrs. old, and they can be extremely chatty and unfocused at times. If I ever showed anger, or yelled at them, which I don't, I would lose their respect for me.

I took Cesars advice and instead of saying shhhhhhhhhh, I say the sound chit, chit, chit and point a finger towards the children. They immediately become silent and look at me. I've also used hand and eye signals and body posture towards the kids when they're not behaving. They then raise their arm and hand towards me to show that they've heard me and calm down. It's like a miracle...no yelling or anger...just showing them that they need to stop their behavior.

I believe that this behavior works towards training dogs and people, if you do it early in the game, will work many times.

Cesar Millan's Official Website | Achieving balance between people and dogs.
:yh_rotfl Fer God's sakes, don't tell the parents that!

Accountable;1351663 wrote: Yup. Likely.



Once the dog bit the owner he bit the owner again. He was a house dog for something like 5 months, so rabies isn't likely. You recommend that he should have let the dog go and risk being bitten yet again?


I recommend that he shouldn't have tried to grab it in the first place. Especially after "yelling" at it to stay

out of the cat food. This dog seems to only have experience with a ham-handed owner and way too harsh

treatment for the dog's sensibilities. And there's a problem with early on corrections of a dog like that, it growls

and warns you it's uncomfortable, you correct it... the dog learns not to growl and then the next time it

is uncomfortable, moves right to the bite.

This poor dog only learned that the man at least was someone to be fearful of. The mention of the choke

collar and the yelling and the throwing outside... it just all adds up to me.

I know you probably don't know all of the situation Acc, but there's more here probably. That dog needed

a lot of specialized care due to circumstances and certainly didn't get it.

A properly raised dog that's obedient and well socialized just is not going to bite the owner like that. I

had to do wound care for Tamsen a few times, and she would whimper and lick my hand and about

break my heart, but never, ever attempt to bite.

Accountable;1351676 wrote: :yh_rotfl Fer God's sakes, don't tell the parents that!


Chit...chit...chit....shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Accountable. That's our secret:wah:

valerie;1351678 wrote: A properly raised dog that's obedient and well socialized just is not going to bite the owner like that. I

had to do wound care for Tamsen a few times, and she would whimper and lick my hand and about

break my heart, but never, ever attempt to bite.I watched an episode of NOVA about where dogs come from, Dogs Decoded.

NOVA: Dogs Decoded » TV Programs on Iowa Public Television

It explained how dogs came from the more docile wolves, and about a Soviet experiment on silver foxes bred viciousness out of a line to make a domesticated (and very doggie-looking) fox. There's no reason why the same process can't make a dog more vicious.

Dog fighting is fairly popular down here. No one knows the breed or background of this pup. It may have been a ticking timebomb under any but the exact right care.

Vick's fighting dogs have been rehabilitated... if you're interested: http://www.bestfriends.org/vickdogs/

Val's got several good points and I bet she's right on the money. Poor puppy, doesn't sound like he had much of a chance in life.

SnoozeAgain;1351690 wrote: Vick's fighting dogs have been rehabilitated... if you're interested: http://www.bestfriends.org/vickdogs/

Val's got several good points and I bet she's right on the money. Poor puppy, doesn't sound like he had much of a chance in life.Thanks, but I doubt my cats are going to turn feral on me.