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Ron Paul Defends WikiLeaks On House Floor (VIDEO)

Some interesting stuff on that site. What is the Huffington post?

Naomi Wolf: Espionage Act: How the Government Can Engage in Serious Aggression Against the People of the United States

Not being american I'm not familiar with the more obscure bits of your history, like the Mexican/american wars. (obscure to me that is) One of the main suggestion why the US got involved in ww1 I came across fairly recently was the discovery by the US that the germans were trying to persuade the mexicans to attack america, which would make more sense than just your ships being sunk.

Paul wrote: Losing our grip on our empire is not welcomed by the neoconservatives in charge. :yh_rotfl There's the line of the day! The speech definitely shows a different perspective than the media's been showing.

gmc;1346385 wrote: Some interesting stuff on that site. What is the Huffington post?

Naomi Wolf: Espionage Act: How the Government Can Engage in Serious Aggression Against the People of the United States

Not being american I'm not familiar with the more obscure bits of your history, like the Mexican/american wars. (obscure to me that is) One of the main suggestion why the US got involved in ww1 I came across fairly recently was the discovery by the US that the germans were trying to persuade the mexicans to attack america, which would make more sense than just your ships being sunk.


The Huffington Post is a product of Arianna Huffington who is of Greek extraction and holds a PhD in Economics----was married to a very wealthy California politician.

She also hosts a TV business, political program. She is considered to be left of center politically. The Huffington Post in my opinion does have some interesting material and views that are not expressed in mainline American news.

As for the Mexican American War---------it's still being fought here in California.

Interesting read (Google it) The Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago.

I don't agree with Ron Paul on some of his economic ideas but he's about the only Republican who at least has a coherent point of view. Most the others have taken the line "government is bad... and we must protect it's ability to hide facts"

yaaarrrgg;1346411 wrote: "government is bad... and we must protect it's ability to hide facts" now that's good.

yaaarrrgg;1346411 wrote: I don't agree with Ron Paul on some of his economic ideas but he's about the only Republican who at least has a coherent point of view. Most the others have taken the line "government is bad... and we must protect it's ability to hide facts"


Ron Paul coherent? Is there a shaking head emoticon on here?

Now you see how bad the republican line sounds to the rest of the world.

BaghdadBob;1347145 wrote: Ron Paul coherent? Is there a shaking head emoticon on here?
Ron Paul's the only one that comes close to being an American conservative in the truest sense: meaning one who wishes to conserve the ideals & principles the USA was founded upon.

So exactly which democrats are working on our debt crisis, and what are their plans? I am sorry, I honestly don't know this, I have watched them have complete control for the last two years, and have not seen them work on spending less on anything that will make a difference yet...

Accountable;1347163 wrote: Ron Paul's the only one that comes close to being an American conservative in the truest sense: meaning one who wishes to conserve the ideals & principles the USA was founded upon.


If "conserving ideals & principles" translates into softcore bigotry, flip-flopping on term limits, abortion, and border security, then I guess he's the man. :-5

Besides, he's a self-described libertarian and that is certainly more apt than conservative (and, yes, there is a substantive difference)

Ahso!;1347150 wrote: Now you see how bad the republican line sounds to the rest of the world.


So, you disagree with RP's approval of the disclosures?

BaghdadBob;1347183 wrote: So, you disagree with RP's approval of the disclosures?No, I agree with Paul on this one. My post was in reference to the incoherence of modern conservatism.

BaghdadBob;1347181 wrote: If "conserving ideals & principles" translates into softcore bigotry, flip-flopping on term limits, abortion, and border security, then I guess he's the man. :-5

Besides, he's a self-described libertarian and that is certainly more apt than conservative (and, yes, there is a substantive difference)


He was only one of five house Republicans to support a repeal of DADT. He also opposed the invasion of Iraq. I don't mean he's the most coherent guy in Washington, only that I think he's more coherent than anyone else in the GOP. I wouldn't vote for him myself ... but I wouldn't mind seeing the GOP look more like him as a whole.

BaghdadBob;1347181 wrote: If "conserving ideals & principles" translates into softcore bigotry, flip-flopping on term limits, abortion, and border security, then I guess he's the man. :-5No, conservative ideals and principles are; hardcore bigotry and flip-flopping on everything.

BaghdadBob;1347181 wrote: Besides, he's a self-described libertarian and that is certainly more apt than conservative (and, yes, there is a substantive difference)You're right, there is a huge difference and it can be summed up this way: when Paul seems incoherent on an issue, its usually because he is genuinely confused or unsure of it, whereas conservatives are incoherent due to hypocrisy.

yaaarrrgg;1347192 wrote: He was only one of five house Republicans to support a repeal of DADT. He also opposed the invasion of Iraq. I don't mean he's the most coherent guy in Washington, only that I think he's more coherent than anyone else in the GOP. I wouldn't vote for him myself ... but I wouldn't mind seeing the GOP look more like him as a whole.


Your reply made me think about how inclusive the R's are with RINO's, libertarians, conservatives, and everything in between juxtaposed the donks that shun any ideas and members other than the party socialist dogma. After he flipped, Specter commented that the R's never whipped their body the way the donks do. Most often, you were left to vote your conscience. He said the donks whipped him on every single floor vote and was shocked by it as having been a donk long ago it wasn't so then. I was told that Gephardt swore he was a conservative to a closed-door meeting with the Donk Leadership Council (DLC) in 2004. Claimed he led as a progressive only so he could advance in the party. Compare that to the RINO McCain winning the nomination in a party that progressives paint as "far right" controlled.

BaghdadBob;1347204 wrote: Your reply made me think about how inclusive the R's are with RINO's, libertarians, conservatives, and everything in between juxtaposed the donks that shun any ideas and members other than the party socialist dogma. After he flipped, Specter commented that the R's never whipped their body the way the donks do. Most often, you were left to vote your conscience. He said the donks whipped him on every single floor vote and was shocked by it as having been a donk long ago it wasn't so then. I was told that Gephardt swore he was a conservative to a closed-door meeting with the Donk Leadership Council (DLC) in 2004. Claimed he led as a progressive only so he could advance in the party. Compare that to the RINO McCain winning the nomination in a party that progressives paint as "far right" controlled. You're projecting.

That's why nobody dissents in the gop the democrats have trouble holding the line.

Ahso!;1347201 wrote: No, conservative ideals and principles are; hardcore bigotry and flip-flopping on everything.




You realize you back the party that historically is of racism, sedition, secession, segregation, eugenics, abortion, socialism, hate speech, and is little more than a criminal organization masquerading as a political party?

Ahso!;1347207 wrote: You're projecting.

That's why nobody dissents in the gop the democrats have trouble holding the line.


I'll give you a pass this time cuz you really don't believe that. :yh_rotfl

Funny, isn't it, what the democratic party once was is what the republican party now is.

I'm not crazy about the domecratic party either, hell, it's mostly made up of moderate conservatives now, but it's btter than the alternative. I'm liberal through and through.

This forum really needs some emoticons, specifically the LMAO ones. The republican party is not any of those things, and although claimed to be by main stream media, further investigation proved that false. Unless you only get your news from the comedy network. Seriously people, that is not news, it is called COMEDY for a reason.

Ahso!;1347211 wrote: Funny, isn't it, what the democratic party once was is what the republican party now is.


Not even close, sport.

I'm not crazy about the domecratic party either, hell, it's mostly made up of moderate conservatives now, but it's btter than the alternative. I'm liberal through and through.


No matter how often I hear it, I'm always surprised that an American embraces a failed movement like socialism and eschews what works today, has provided 90% of the wealth in the world, and has always worked without failed barring govt intervention - individual rights and capitalism.

Yer kinda a sad spectacle for me.





(Please spare me the "that what donks are about".)

BaghdadBob;1347218 wrote: Not even close, sport.



No matter how often I hear it, I'm always surprised that an American embraces a failed movement like socialism and eschews what works today, has provided 90% of the wealth in the world, and has always worked without failed barring govt intervention - individual rights and capitalism.

Yer kinda a sad spectacle for me.





(Please spare me the "that what donks are about".)Becoming frustrated? It shows in your posting style.

What works today? We just had a major meltdown in the free market and had China pay off our debts.

rgOFR;1347213 wrote: This forum really needs some emoticons, specifically the LMAO ones. They ought to be more user friendly, but you have to click 'Go Advanced' to get to them.

BaghdadBob;1347181 wrote: [QUOTE=Accountable;1347163]Ron Paul's the only one that comes close to being an American conservative in the truest sense: meaning one who wishes to conserve the ideals & principles the USA was founded upon.If "conserving ideals & principles" translates into softcore bigotry, flip-flopping on term limits, abortion, and border security, then I guess he's the man. :-5

Besides, he's a self-described libertarian and that is certainly more apt than conservative (and, yes, there is a substantive difference)[/QUOTE]It was libertarian ideals & principles that the USA were founded upon, which means that libertarians are the true American conservatives. :yh_flag



yaaarrrgg;1347224 wrote: What works today? We just had a major meltdown in the free market and had China pay off our debts.The best of techniques & strategies can go wrong sometimes. It's no reason to toss the whole system.

Accountable;1347227 wrote: The best of techniques & strategies can go wrong sometimes. It's no reason to toss the whole system.You know better than to say that.

Ahso!;1347232 wrote: You know better than to say that.Capitalism isn't to blame on the current situation. Blame the giving corporations status of citizens and outright purchasing of legislators.

Accountable;1347239 wrote: Capitalism isn't to blame on the current situation. Blame the giving corporations status of citizens and outright purchasing of legislators.


If anything it's because you no longer have a capitalist economy but have moved away from that to a corporatist one. Corporatist economies always fail but sorting things is difficult and painful.