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BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:35 am
by Oscar Namechange
The British National Party will have to adapt to the undemocratic Orwellian ‘equality laws’ with regards to party membership criteria, or it will die, party leader Nick Griffin warned in reaction to today’s court hearing brought by the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR).

“The CEHR move is a deadly serious threat to our very existence, Mr Griffin said in a statement this evening. He pointed out that the severe danger to the party was illustrated by the fact that the court ordered the BNP to pay the costs of today’s hearing — which amount to thousands of pounds — and yet nothing had been decided.

To pursue the case all the way to an appeal in the House of Lords could cost the party more than a million pounds, he continued. This would effectively strip the party of its ability to fight the next general election.

Even though the outcome of the case is still undecided, Mr Griffin said that whatever the court might decide, “the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.

The entire court case is therefore pointless even from the CEHR’s position, and is clearly designed only to bleed the party of its funding.

Mr Griffin said any decision on amending the BNP’s constitution in this matter would “stick in the craw of all dedicated nationalists but that it was a choice of “evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory.

Mr Griffin said the starting point for any debate had to be “an understanding that the new law will shortly ban ethnically defined parties anyway. This makes the CEHR`s waste of public money so disgraceful and their attempt to bleed us to death by a totally unnecessary legal action so cynical and despicable.

“We could still fight it all the way on a point of stubborn principle — I think that most party old hands have worked out some time ago that I can be pretty damn stubborn when the time is right. The decision is not just mine to make, he said, adding that it was a decision which must be taken by the party as a collective whole.

Mr Griffin said that if the party wanted to fight the case all the way, it would need to raise an extra £80,000 in the next four weeks. Some £20,000 would be needed this week to buy in more top lawyers’ time to triple check and hone to perfection the changes the party would have to make in its constitution and organisation.

“I have no doubt that it is possible to redraft our constitution so as to ensure we comply with the new law while at the same time holding true to our core principles and most importantly of all, to our purpose — which is to secure a future for the true children of our islands, Mr Griffin said.

“By taking this as far as a court hearing, we have ensured that party unity will be maintained, because whatever steps we take, it is now crystal clear to all concerned that we simply do not have a choice.

“Adapt or die is the only decision left to make, for failure to adapt would lead either to our being bled white through the courts or crushed by new criminal laws. Party unity is priceless, because a party of brothers standing shoulder to shoulder can be persecuted, but it can never be beaten or broken.

Mr Griffin concluded with a promise that once the party had moved to a “truly defensible position, we will go on the attack. Not just politically, so that our enemies quickly rue the day when they broke the very stick with which they have beaten us for so long, but also legally.

“We will be going into legal battle against Trevor Phillips and the rest of the ‘curs’, but it will be fought on ground that we choose, at the time that we appoint, and with our maximum strength directed against their weakest point. Our time will come — and sooner than they think.

Mr Griffin’s full statement is as follows:

Statement from BNP leader Nick Griffin MEP on the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR) Case

02 September 2009

The barrister representing the party was at court on our behalf and got what we wanted — a seven week adjournment. This gives us the time and space we need to continue the urgent debate which opened with the very constructive and mature discussion meeting at the Red, White and Blue.

But most important of all, we have established two crucial points that had to be made, and could only be made by taking this as far as court, despite the inevitable cost.

The first is that the CEHR move, although motivated by their own internal political feuds as much as anything else, is a deadly serious threat to our very existence.

This is neither a game nor a phantom concern conjured up in order to push through changes to the constitution — which might well be electorally advantageous — but would stick in the craw of us dedicated nationalists.

Either we shift our position or we will be utterly crushed. That fact was established beyond any possible doubt when the judge ruled that we must pay the thousands of pounds of costs of today’s hearing.

How much that bill will be, we cannot tell, because part of the grotesque unfairness of this is that we will be forced to hire the services of a very good legal firm simply to argue that the figure which will be proposed by Trevor Phillips and co will be far too high and has to be reduced to something sensible and proportionate.

For us to take this case to the next hearing would mean raising and risking at least £80,000. To take it all the way to the House of Lords would swallow up well over a million Pounds.

Even if we were likely to win, we could only afford this with a super human effort which would involve, among other sacrifices, virtually abandoning the next general election.

What makes that course of action even more of a Charge of the Light Brigade gesture is, that whatever the court decides in October, the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.

By taking this as far as a court hearing, we have ensured that party unity will be maintained, because whatever steps we take, it is now crystal clear to all concerned that we simply do not have a choice.

Adapt or die is the only decision left to make, for failure to adapt would lead either to our being bled white through the courts or crushed by new criminal laws.

Party unity is priceless, because a party of brothers standing shoulder to shoulder can be persecuted, but it can never be beaten or broken.

The second vital point we’ve made clear by letting this get all the way to court is that traditional British justice – indeed, the very essence of Britishness — is dead, murdered as part of New Labour´s creeping coup d’état.

Two of the great and ancient cornerstones of our true British identity are fairness and the unbreakable rule that institutions of the state must be bound by the rule of law.

The creation of CEHR and this persecution shattered both of those cornerstones. It is grotesquely unfair that a state-funded bureaucracy with 70 top lawyers and £70 million to burn, can decide, without showing a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing, to persecute a group of twelve and a half thousand mainly working class volunteers.

When the CEHR was established, it was originally intended to be bound by the kind of restrictions that are rightly imposed on all state bodies. The Labour government and the political elite have scrapped the safeguards.

The CEHR is an autocratic power block which can go before any court and follow the maxim of Humpty Dumpty in Alice through the Looking Glass that “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.

Our lawyers’ highly compelling argument that the principle of Equality of Arms means that CEHR should fund our defence (as they would indeed assist any organisation representing literally any other ethnic group) was simply brushed aside by CEHR’s own lawyers, and thus not even considered by the court.

The shocking truth is that not even the Inland Revenue has this amount of power. The tax-grabbers are at least required to be, and to show, that they are fair.

The CEHR are empowered to do whatever they think fit. This is not British; it isn’t cricket. It is a fundamental change not just in our law but in our entire culture.

The scale of CEHR’s power and monstrous arrogance is best shown by the fact that their lawyers seriously proposed to the court to settle in a mere two hours the fundamental question raised by this case: namely whether indigenous groups recognised in law as having their ethnic origins in these islands (Eilias v MoD) and covered by the liberal-left’s own Race Relations Act are entitled to form associations of their own kind.

“Of course, they know perfectly well that we are. They know that we are, hence the brutal use of their legal steamroller to ensure that we cannot afford to make this particular case the Cause Celebre that would bring the point home to untold numbers more who are at present in blissful ignorance of our rights and duties as the first peoples of these, our islands.

So where do we go from here? The starting point for the debate has to be an understanding that the new law will shortly ban ethnically defined parties anyway, which makes CEHR`s waste of public money so disgraceful, and their attempt to bleed us to death by a totally unnecessary legal action, so cynical and despicable.

We could still fight it all the way on a point of stubborn principle — I think that most party old hands have worked out some time ago that I can be pretty damn stubborn when the time is right. The decision as to whether this is the right time to stand and go down in a blaze of glory, or to evolve and live to fight another day, is one that is not just mine to make. It is yours as well.

If the party collectively wants to fight, then we have to raise £80,000 extra in the next four weeks. If the party collectively wants to guarantee its survival, then we need £20,000 this week to buy in more top lawyers’ time to triple check and hone to perfection the changes we would have to make to our constitution and organisation.

We have already identified these, but our rough diamonds have to be cut and polished, and our iron tempered into the brightest steel.

I have no doubt that it is possible to redraft our constitution so as to ensure we comply with the new law while at the same time holding true to our core principles and most important of all to our purpose — to secure a future for the true children of our islands.

And I promise you one thing beyond this: That once we have moved to a truly defensible position we will go on the attack.

Not just politically, so that our enemies quickly rue the day when they broke the very stick with which they have beaten us for so long, but also legally.

We will be going into legal battle against Trevor Phillips and the rest of the ‘curs’, but it will be fought on ground that we choose, at the time that we appoint, and with our maximum strength directed against their weakest point. Our time will come — and sooner than they think.

The state will regret this.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:56 am
by Bryn Mawr
That they should define themselves in those terms is offensive in the first place. That the should fight to keep it so is inexcusable.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:12 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Bryn Mawr;1239559 wrote: That they should define themselves in those terms is offensive in the first place. That the should fight to keep it so is inexcusable.
As we all know, Griffin has a hbit of putting his size tens firmly in his gob in any public statement. However, general feeling in the Party is that most members welcome the change.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:47 pm
by gmc
Even though the outcome of the case is still undecided, Mr Griffin said that whatever the court might decide, “the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.


I bet of the SNP banned the english from joining he would be outraged. Don't worry oscar you can join the SNP if you want to-we're not prejudiced but you'd have to stop reading the daily mail and think for yourself:DAfter all there's inly one word of difference.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:56 pm
by Chookie
oscar;1239534 wrote: .......evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory.
There isn't, never has been and never will be any glory attached to anything the BNP does



oscar;1239534 wrote: This is neither a game nor a phantom concern conjured up in order to push through changes to the constitution — which might well be electorally advantageous — but would stick in the craw of us dedicated nationalists.
I'm a Nationalist and the BNP stick in my craw - in fact they sicken me. The BNP is a racist and crypto-fascist idiots - they'll be calling for a jihad next.



oscar;1239534 wrote: Two of the great and ancient cornerstones of our true British identity are fairness and the unbreakable rule that institutions of the state must be bound by the rule of law.
There is no "true British identity" Griffin and his ilk are Little-Englanders with an unspecified agenda.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:20 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Chookie;1239646 wrote: There isn't, never has been and never will be any glory attached to anything the BNP does



I'm a Nationalist and the BNP stick in my craw - in fact they sicken me. The BNP is a racist and crypto-fascist idiots - they'll be calling for a jihad next.



There is no "true British identity" Griffin and his ilk are Little-Englanders with an unspecified agenda. Hey... Don't shoot the messenger... I'm relaying Griffins words to open discussion.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:40 pm
by Bryn Mawr
oscar;1239657 wrote: Hey... Don't shoot the messenger... I'm relaying Griffins words to open discussion.


You certainly got some of that then :-)

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:29 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Bryn Mawr;1239668 wrote: You certainly got some of that then :-) And what in The Gordon Browns does that mean?:thinking:

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:37 pm
by Bryn Mawr
oscar;1239708 wrote: And what in The Gordon Browns does that mean?:thinking:


That your post invoked a reasonable discussion of the merits of the BNP's position.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:48 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Bryn Mawr;1239711 wrote: That your post invoked a reasonable discussion of the merits of the BNP's position.
Sorry Bryn... I'm having a numpty moment here in Oscar Towers. :o

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:51 pm
by Bryn Mawr
oscar;1239721 wrote: Sorry Bryn... I'm having a numpty moment here in Oscar Towers. :o


I appear to be getting that response tonight so it's probably me being obtuse.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:52 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Bryn Mawr;1239726 wrote: I appear to be getting that response tonight so it's probably me being obtuse. Must be contagious :wah:

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:13 pm
by Clodhopper
Just got back from my birthday drinkies, read this thread, and I wuv you all.

:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4

Please bear this in mind if I am foolish enough to post anything else tonight.:p

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:09 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Clodhopper;1239737 wrote: Just got back from my birthday drinkies, read this thread, and I wuv you all.

:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4

Please bear this in mind if I am foolish enough to post anything else tonight.:p Wubs U 2 :-4

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:45 am
by gmc
Clodhopper;1239737 wrote: Just got back from my birthday drinkies, read this thread, and I wuv you all.

:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4:-4

Please bear this in mind if I am foolish enough to post anything else tonight.:p


Try not to throw up over the key board-on the other hand it's got to be better than the verbal diarrhoea we get from Oscar:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:55 am
by Oscar Namechange
gmc;1239866 wrote: try not to throw up over the key board-on the other hand it's got to be better than the verbal diarrhoea we get from oscar:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl excuse me !! ???

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:07 am
by Oscar Namechange
gmc;1239579 wrote: I bet of the SNP banned the english from joining he would be outraged. Don't worry oscar you can join the SNP if you want to-we're not prejudiced but you'd have to stop reading the daily mail and think for yourself:DAfter all there's inly one word of difference.
So... your supporting the SNP now are you :yh_rotfl Once again Sporran, let me remind you of the Glenrothes by-election but oh I forgot, according to you that was down to the turn-out and not the fact the Gordy whipped your arsse in the Glens. We will let you join the Labour Party you know.... :yh_rotfl But of course, reading the Daily Mail is a National requsite.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:34 am
by gmc
oscar;1239899 wrote: So... your supporting the SNP now are you :yh_rotfl Once again Sporran, let me remind you of the Glenrothes by-election but oh I forgot, according to you that was down to the turn-out and not the fact the Gordy whipped your arsse in the Glens. We will let you join the Labour Party you know.... :yh_rotfl But of course, reading the Daily Mail is a National requsite.


I'm still swithering. If gordon brown gets back in I despair of my fellow fifers.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:37 am
by Oscar Namechange
gmc;1239948 wrote: I'm still swithering. If gordon brown gets back in I despair of my fellow fifers.
Your fellow Fifers voted him in. :sneaky:

Thank god I'm an Indi :thinking:

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:16 am
by gmc
oscar;1239952 wrote: Your fellow Fifers voted him in. :sneaky:

Thank god I'm an Indi :thinking:


I thought you were joining the BNP-did you pass the intelligence and were refused entry or something?

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:35 am
by Oscar Namechange
gmc;1240503 wrote: I thought you were joining the BNP-did you pass the intelligence and were refused entry or something?
You know what Sporran? I have found It's far more entertaining in some circles to keep people guessing as to which Party I am associated with or with not. For all you know, I may have shacked up with Gordy boy again. :sneaky:

Getting back to topic... I thought you'd like this thread Sporran as It would have given you chance to diss the main man again. This is nothing but a devious tactic by the Labour Party to bankrupt the BNP before the laws are changed. HA....

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:10 am
by kazalala
gmc;1240503 wrote: I thought you were joining the BNP-did you pass the intelligence and were refused entry or something?
:yh_rotfl they wouldnt refuse any woman entry silly ,,, they need them for their "softer" image:rolleyes::yh_rotfl

oscar;1240515 wrote: You know what Sporran? I have found It's far more entertaining in some circles to keep people guessing as to which Party I am associated with or with not. For all you know, I may have shacked up with Gordy boy again. :sneaky:

Getting back to topic... I thought you'd like this thread Sporran as It would have given you chance to diss the main man again. This is nothing but a devious tactic by the Labour Party to bankrupt the BNP before the laws are changed. HA....


I hope you will let your constituents know:-2:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:28 am
by Oscar Namechange
kazalala;1240521 wrote: :yh_rotfl they wouldnt refuse any woman entry silly ,,, they need them for their "softer" image:rolleyes::yh_rotfl



I hope you will let your constituents know:-2:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


Seriousley.... this is rather a sinister tactic I feel by the Labour Party. They tried to wind up the BNP of accussing them of being rascist which doesn't exactly work when the law allows such orgs as 'The Black Police Officers Ass'. The only reason they are forcing the issue is they think it will cost the BNP millions to contest and in effect bankrupt the party leaving them unable to fight the General Election. What you have to ask yourself, is why they are doing this to the BNP and not other fringe such as the EDP. After getting 2 BNP's members elected into the European parliment, they are running scared for the General. Harriot Harmen just seems to be too thick to understand that while this appears to be no more than a witch-hunt, they are giving the BNP more oxygen and publicity. DOH !!!

Even If Griffin agree's to allow ethnic communities to join, who in their right mind will join? He will set Party Policies in stone so any new member joining to disrupt or contest policey, will not be able to join unless they sign to say they agree with all policies. The only way for any ethnic minority member to disrupt would be to get elected within the Party and then play the race-card. If they can not change Party policey, it's all futile. Griffin, it appears is being rather clever in this one.

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:13 am
by Bruv
oscar;1240526 wrote: They tried to wind up the BNP of accusing them of being racist which doesn't exactly work when the law allows such orgs as 'The Black Police Officers Ass'.


If you cannot see the difference between an organisation set up to look after a minority of people who might or might not need promoting or protecting from real or imagined bias in our society........and a Political Party who would serve all citizens regardless of origin, then I despair.



To put that statement into context........Imagine your Great great Grandfather had been smitten by a lady of colour umpteen years ago, the resulting progeny had been loyal citizens, inter marrying and serving King or Queen and country throughout the intervening years.

Any war veteran descendant of your relative would NOT be able to join the BNP.......now that cannot be right....can it ?

BNP to change Party rule to allow ethnic communities to join Party

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:07 pm
by Oscar Namechange
Bruv;1240620 wrote: If you cannot see the difference between an organisation set up to look after a minority of people who might or might not need promoting or protecting from real or imagined bias in our society........and a Political Party who would serve all citizens regardless of origin, then I despair.



To put that statement into context........Imagine your Great great Grandfather had been smitten by a lady of colour umpteen years ago, the resulting progeny had been loyal citizens, inter marrying and serving King or Queen and country throughout the intervening years.

Any war veteran descendant of your relative would NOT be able to join the BNP.......now that cannot be right....can it ? It's the hypocricy I hate. Why are the Labour government so hell bent on destroying the BNP and not Combat 18 or the EDP? If the Labour Government smeared the Tories or the SNP in the same way they do the BNP, gmc would be tossing his caber left right and centre and saying 'Typical Labour'.

It is also laughable that Griffin Is himself the direct descendent of travellers.

The entire British Isles including the Monarchy is descended from a mixed bag of Invaders anyway.

From what I understand that the BNP stands for, they are not against any member being the descendent of any culture, they are against modern day mass Immigration.