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What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:06 am
by joona
Here is an explanation for the various choices:
476: The last emperor of the Western Roman Empire (Romulus Augustulus) is deposed.
480: The fall of Dalmatia and Julius Nepos (he had a claim for the throne of the Western Empire, and tried to overthrow Odoacer).
1453: The fall of Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantium.
1806: The Holy Roman Empire is dissolved, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.
1917: The tsarist Russia falls, having supposedly been a successor of Rome.
1922: The Ottoman Empire dissolves, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.
Still exists: It continues to exist in the form of the Catholic Church/Vatican.
Other: Please tell the rest of us too!
if I had to choose one, it would be 1453.
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:16 am
by chonsigirl
As a historian, I went with 476 AD.
480: The fall of Dalmatia and Julius Nepos (he had a claim for the throne of the Western Empire, and tried to overthrow Odoacer). He tried, didn't work. The city itself was in ruins.
1453: The fall of Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantium.A different empire when it was divided by Diocletian.
1806: The Holy Roman Empire is dissolved, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.Don't think so, no remnants of the original Rome.
1917: The tsarist Russia falls, having supposedly been a successor of Rome.Ah, empires always want to use that tag, wasn't evident in Russian history.
1922: The Ottoman Empire dissolves, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.Domino effect of using the title Rome, with no semblance of the original.
Still exists: It continues to exist in the form of the Catholic Church/Vatican.Religious viewpoint, not a historical perspective.
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:24 am
by luciferjohn
joona;1238144 wrote: Here is an explanation for the various choices:
476: The last emperor of the Western Roman Empire (Romulus Augustulus) is deposed.
480: The fall of Dalmatia and Julius Nepos (he had a claim for the throne of the Western Empire, and tried to overthrow Odoacer).
1453: The fall of Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantium.
1806: The Holy Roman Empire is dissolved, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.
1917: The tsarist Russia falls, having supposedly been a successor of Rome.
1922: The Ottoman Empire dissolves, having supposedly been a successor to the Eastern Empire.
Still exists: It continues to exist in the form of the Catholic Church/Vatican.
Other: Please tell the rest of us too!
if I had to choose one, it would be 1453.
good question i feel that when they split the empire, it weaked the govening parties and thats when the visigoths(i think)took thier toll,how ever i believe vatican city,is the last most powerful remanent.
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:50 pm
by Silverplanter
I am a 476'er
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:01 pm
by Clodhopper
476. The rest just want the reflected glory and authority. I can see the case for 1453 but, well, Rome is Rome and Constantinople isn't.
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:35 pm
by hoppy
The city limits.
What do you consider as the end of Rome?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:01 am
by joey2000
Same here. The later claims are a joke.