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I have great ambitions about Europe and the European Union.

The European Union shall no longer just include some european countries. It shall include ALL the countries in Europe, to the borders of Russia and to the Middle East.

There shall be no countries, regions or different cultures - but all have to live under the same laws!

The European Union shall have a great army. A GREAT patriotic army fighting for Europe's independence from the outer world by euthanasing any fascists trying to invade it!

We will have a problem with China. China call themselves "communists", but they are nothing else than fascists. The chinese government is cooperating with the large companies. It's just like Hitler who called it "national SOCIALISM" but it actually wasn't socialism. China is the same thing. Their power elite are evil fascist bastards and we must prepare to fight the evil invaders! However, we should not invade them as this will be too dangerous for ourselves.

We should only make it clear for the world what countries we want, so that when we attack country after country, we are not considered a nation that is seeking to expanding itself to include all the world, as this will turn the rest of the world against us. We must carefully plan exactly how big this new union should be.

But I do know it shall be great. Great! GREAT!!

IT SHALL BE GREAT!!!

I am very inspired by what I have read about Stalin:

I am inspired by how he deported and euthanised his enemies.

However, I do have another view on who are the real enemies. Stalin's enemies aren't necessarily my enemies.

However, I will do the same to my enemies as Stalin did to his enemies!

I will follow in Stalin's footsteps and make Europe a great industrial power. I will conquer all my enemies and euthanise my opponents in the name of the Rightful Order of Society! I will euthanise any enemy approaching my peoples new GREAT country!

The people shall have justice! The people shall see the reality! The scientists will be motivated while keeping religion at bay! The engineers shall build great constructions, raising all the way from underground to the sky!

As long as I am the leader of the European Empire it will be technologically superior to the rest of the world. No matter what. I will force it through by euthanising ANYONE who opposes stem cell research and human cloning (human cloning will not be for making more and more human beings, but so that people can get treated for dangerous diseases which may damage their organs).

I WILL EUTHANISE THE PEOPLE WHO DARE OPPOSE SCIENCE!

Mankind has showed a lack of science, logic and reasonable thinking.

Therefore the the new World Order will be FORCED over people because they don't know better!

The perfect society cannot come through democracy!

In the year 1277, the church critisized the science, simply because it was against christianity.

The church even prohibited the reading of scientific books.

Nowadays the evil islamic fundamentalists are doing the same thing!

We have some islamic schools, and the teachers often abolish all books that have scientific facts that are against Islam.

Of course there are more moderate religious people. But these are dangerous too! There's a 50/50 change that they will become more religious.

If they get more religious, they will teach their kids religion. This is dangerous. Therefore religions must never be accepted, and any religious speech in public will result in euthanasia!

There is historical evidence that religion is dangerous and therefore must be eliminated with any method available. In my GREAT Empire, religions will be banned throughout the country! The bible must be destroyed!

May the SCIENCE take over the power!

Today we also see political religion. It is not based on logic, but on what the law says. You can hardly discuss politics with such people, becuase they will always refer to the law, and completely ignore the fact that the discussion is about how to CHANGE it. But they still say something like "It stands in the law".

Their political oppinion is therefore not based on logic, but what is written, and without reason.

I will call these people "conservatives". Conservative people must be euthanised!

May the LOGIC take over the power!

Furthermore there are people that are left winged, right winged, libertarian and authoritarian.

They can't change their opinion simply because this is against their ideology.

There is simply no reason for their opinions. They do not base their opinion on reason, but on ideology.

Such people must be euthanised!

May the REASON take over the power!

In the GLORIOUS new world order, people will be forced to look at the scientific facts, and therefore have a reason to think and do what they think and do!

Only SCIENCE, LOGIC and REASON must rule the world!

Morality and ethics will be based on SCIENCE, LOGIC and/or REASON, too!

The people shall be paid equally. The resources and industries shall be owned by the State.

The State shall ensure justice and security by providing a lot of police power. There shall be a Secret Police to ensure that nobody is infiltrating and destroying the new Power of Europe!

I will be the greatest leader the world has ever known because my political opinions are without feelings: They are based on PURE LOGIC and RATIONAL THINKING!

Therefore my opinions are the correct ones!

Those who deny this will be euthanised!

Feelings are dynamic. Logic is static. I have tried to tell this to other people for years but they haven't listened. Therefore those who will not love me and obey me without question will be euthanised!

When I get to power, I shall, and I WILL ensure that my policy will be the only rightful policy on earth for generations!

I want to build this new society because I see some errors in this one.

Not because of the power. Under my leadership Europe shall become a great empire!!!

Europe shall be great. Great! GREAT!!! YOU SEE THAT?

EUROPE SHALL BE A GREAT EMPIRE!!! :-6 :-6 :-6

Do you, or did you torture and kill little animals as a hobby when you were younger?

Yes to Mandatory euthanaisa but only if joona is number 1 on the list !:yh_rotfl

hoppy;1235454 wrote: Do you, or did you torture and kill little animals as a hobby when you were younger?


A great number of people have done it at least once back when they were kids, so if I said yes, that would have no relevance besides that you would evade any arguments I present by condemning me as a crazy person. I certainly am not hurting animals nowadays, even if something like that happened in my childhood. Note the "if".

And I assure you that I'm not crazy. I am indifferent when it comes to animals, but humans are a different thing; Some of them deserve to be euthanised for the good of society!

Victoria;1235456 wrote: Yes to Mandatory euthanaisa but only if joona is number 1 on the list !:yh_rotfl


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Did someone forget to take their meds today?

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joona;1235457 wrote: A great number of people have done it at least once back when they were kids, so if I said yes, that would have no relevance besides that you would evade any arguments I present by condemning me as a crazy person. I certainly am not hurting animals nowadays, even if something like that happened in my childhood. Note the "if".

And I assure you that I'm not crazy. I am indifferent when it comes to animals, but humans are a different thing; Some of them deserve to be euthanised for the good of society!


So the answer is yes.

No, great numbers of people did not torture small animals when they were kids. Just you and the other few who grew into nutcases. Torturing kittens is a sign of a degenerate mind surely, not one that grows up to be a normal member of a society, so pretending that "a great many people" did the same doesn't wash.

You complain that we are evading any arguements to the tosh you present but therein lies your answer. Its tosh and there is little we can discuss when it clearly comes from a troubled mind like yours. It's disturbing and it revolts people. There's nothing much else to put to you really.

Looks like its just you and your long deceased animal carcasses then

Only SCIENCE.... must rule the world!


I knew I was a science teacher for a reason!

What do you say to that, O Nomad, ruler of the Seven Seas?

Snowfire;1235466 wrote: So the answer is yes.

No, great numbers of people did not torture small animals when they were kids. Just you and the other few who grew into nutcases. Torturing kittens is a sign of a degenerate mind surely, not one that grows up to be a normal member of a society, so pretending that "a great many people" did the same doesn't wash.

You complain that we are evading any arguements to the tosh you present but therein lies your answer. Its tosh and there is little we can discuss when it clearly comes from a troubled mind like yours. It's disturbing and it revolts people. There's nothing much else to put to you really.

Looks like its just you and your long deceased animal carcasses then


I did not say that I tortured animals!

I said that if I tortured them, I have left that to my childhood. Again, note the "if". That's not an admission to the effect that I indeed did something like that.



It must also be very convenient for you to refer to my supposed "insanity" in order to avoid actual debate. If you want to criticise my views, then actually criticise them instead of just labeling me insane! This is one reason why democracy is a weak idea: Only a strong state can make intelligent decisions! And since my views are based on reason and rationality, I am surely one of the better candidates for this position.

Tell ya what bozo, after I reorganize the USA into the New United Freeland which will include Canada, We'll just hafta fight.

hoppy;1235496 wrote: Tell ya what bozo, after I reorganize the USA into the New United Freeland which will include Canada, We'll just hafta fight.


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Hey, you gonna invade Canada, Hoppy? You gonna euthanase the Quebecois? Or just repatriate them to Joona's New Europe?

Not invade Canada, just make 'em an offer they can't refuse. Then, we'll make a pact with Russia because they'll be nervous about the likes of Joona on her borders. That'll put joona in about the same position Germany was in back in 1940's.

If America takes over Canada, it would be time for the Quebecois to rise up and for The United States to once more become French... Vive la France!!! America would finally get proper coffee, and good crusty bread... ahhhhh and the subways would smell of ze garlic, and merde - les crottins de toutou partout sur les trottoirs.. it would be fantastique. You could have two hour lunch hours and le cinq a sept (zat is for ze naughtiness) and go on strike for fun. A New World Order is upon us. Rejoice and be exceeding glad.

Now I'm going to the beach or rather

On va a la plage!

*surfs up*

What a great wave coming in..............................:-6

Could you please stay on topic and comment on my ideas?

Sorry Joona, but I think the topic got euthanased. Everyone's gone to the beach. It's Sunday and surf's up, as Chonsi says. ... COMING !!!!!

joona;1235544 wrote: Could you please stay on topic and comment on my ideas?
Likewise.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/1234388-post18.html

AussiePam;1235546 wrote: Sorry Joona, but I think the topic got euthanased. Everyone's gone to the beach. It's Sunday and surf's up, as Chonsi says. ... COMING !!!!!


Pammie, that is the best response I've seen all day:yh_rotfl

joona;1235544 wrote: Could you please stay on topic and comment on my ideas?


You're on the wrong forum,Joonya. Nobody's going to take you seriously here.

Try stormfront.org. You'll fit right in.

Richard Bell;1235562 wrote: You're on the wrong forum,Joonya. Nobody's going to take you seriously here.

Try stormfront.org. You'll fit right in.


Must you give him/her ideas? But at the same time..yeah, go away

Aw hell, guys, he's harmless. You don't need to chase him away; just don't read his posts. This place gets really boring with only small talk and word games.

Accountable;1235581 wrote: Aw hell, guys, he's harmless. You don't need to chase him away; just don't read his posts. This place gets really boring with only small talk and word games.


Ditto what Accountable says, anyone here is free to use the 'ignore' function if you are unable to stop yourself taking a peek

Accountable;1235581 wrote: Aw hell, guys, he's harmless. You don't need to chase him away; just don't read his posts. This place gets really boring with only small talk and word games.


I agree. He opened up a whole new range of discussion for this board. I can counter his/her new world ideas with plenty of my own. How about the rest of you? This could be great fun. Thank you joona.

Got to admit enjoying reading the bilge, but find keeping my promise to ignore him very hard.

Bruv;1235610 wrote: Got to admit enjoying reading the bilge, but find keeping my promise to ignore him very hard.


Yeah I agree. I couldnt ignore his posts. I would have to read them. I would still post the same response though. Its all it deserves

Maybe he will learn to temper his posts to get a desired response. He'll never learn if he's ostracized.

joona;1235451 wrote: There shall be no countries, regions or different cultures - but all have to live under the same laws!
You've already lost it.

No countries? - Never happen.

No regions? - How will you manage that?

No different cultures? - Never happen. I and most other Europeans am proud of, and celebrate our differences.



Have you been reading Aristophanes?

I don't know how you know Joona is harmless, Accountable.

I think his topics and the way he expresses his arguments show considerable intelligence. You can take this several ways - either he/she is completely serious in his/her views OR that he/she is having us all on, playing with FGers.

Maybe Moderator, Betty Boop knows which.

So what do FGers do? Do any of us really feel a debate on torturing and euthanasing every one is going to serve any useful purpose? If so, please do go ahead. Haven't seen a lot of useful debate so far??

If we think we're having our chains yanked, maybe we are going to want to yank back a bit..

I think maybe a few of us wanted to see off a newbie we thought was a troll early on, but now??? His/her threads are at least alive and kicking. Maybe Joona will decide to stop torturing and euthanasing everyone and join us at the beach. Invitation also extended to Betty Boop, Hoppy and Accountable. We can build sand castles then euthanase them.

Have a good day Joona, Betty Boop, Accountable, Hoppy etc

Oh, Aussiepam.

It's quite possible he's a young adolescent. It's simply amazing what they can come up with. (:o says the ex-teacher to the parent)

I feel I've done my bit. Aside from provoking more response (I played along) there was no obvious reaction. But you never know. As Acc says, by placing the revolting extreme on the board, he or she puts the current lot in perspective. It may be deliberate. (I know. Unlikely, but possible)

Well Clodhopper - maybe Joona will evolve. After all he implies he used to pull wings off little critters but assures us he doesn't do that any more. Maybe we are all evolving. Perhaps democrats will eventually evolve into republicans or vice versa. Personally, I'm not holding my breath. The beach is a better option.. :-6

“Sit in reverie, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind”

Surfboard is idling, Pammie. :-6

Hey, maybe he/she just has an overactive imagination. When I was a young snot my cousin and I collected National geographic maps. We made up war games to play, drawing our front lines and attack lines on the maps. We each had 6 armies and rolled a dice to determine our moves.

Anyway, careful what ya say 'bout him/her. It might be Obama collecting names for his euthanasis book.

chonsigirl;1235731 wrote: “Sit in reverie, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind”

Surfboard is idling, Pammie. :-6


I went to a beach, once. Kept stepping in cat poop.

AussiePam;1235717 wrote: I don't know how you know Joona is harmless, Accountable.

I think his topics and the way he expresses his arguments show considerable intelligence. You can take this several ways - either he/she is completely serious in his/her views OR that he/she is having us all on, playing with FGers.

Maybe Moderator, Betty Boop knows which.

So what do FGers do? Do any of us really feel a debate on torturing and euthanasing every one is going to serve any useful purpose? If so, please do go ahead. Haven't seen a lot of useful debate so far??

If we think we're having our chains yanked, maybe we are going to want to yank back a bit..

I think maybe a few of us wanted to see off a newbie we thought was a troll early on, but now??? His/her threads are at least alive and kicking. Maybe Joona will decide to stop torturing and euthanasing everyone and join us at the beach. Invitation also extended to Betty Boop, Hoppy and Accountable. We can build sand castles then euthanase them.

Have a good day Joona, Betty Boop, Accountable, Hoppy etc


ooooh now there's a novel idea, I could mind read every posters mind. Is that acceptable whilst building sand castles, I can manage that remotely.

I won't be involved in any destroying of my works of art though!

AussiePam;1235717 wrote: I don't know how you know Joona is harmless, Accountable.



I think his topics and the way he expresses his arguments show considerable intelligence. You can take this several ways - either he/she is completely serious in his/her views OR that he/she is having us all on, playing with FGers.



Maybe Moderator, Betty Boop knows which.



So what do FGers do? Do any of us really feel a debate on torturing and euthanasing every one is going to serve any useful purpose? If so, please do go ahead. Haven't seen a lot of useful debate so far??



If we think we're having our chains yanked, maybe we are going to want to yank back a bit..



I think maybe a few of us wanted to see off a newbie we thought was a troll early on, but now??? His/her threads are at least alive and kicking. Maybe Joona will decide to stop torturing and euthanasing everyone and join us at the beach. Invitation also extended to Betty Boop, Hoppy and Accountable. We can build sand castles then euthanase them.



Have a good day Joona, Betty Boop, Accountable, Hoppy etcIf you think you're having your chain yanked, by all means yank back. Nothing wrong with that. If he leaves on his own it's his decision. Even telling him to leave is not beyond any line I'm aware of; I just thought he added something to the mix on slow days.



I think Clod is probably right. No matter what his age is, he's an adolescent flinging crap for shock value. As long as we're shocked, we have value. If we can shortcircuit the process and get him to think, he may turn his imaginative powers to good. Then, as you say, we may even enjoy his company on the beach. :-6

Betty Boop;1235752 wrote: ooooh now there's a novel idea, I could mind read every posters mind. Is that acceptable whilst building sand castles, I can manage that remotely.

I won't be involved in any destroying of my works of art though!
Don't bring spot. He's in a sand castle kicking mood today. :yh_mfight

Accountable;1235756 wrote: Don't bring spot. He's in a sand castle kicking mood today. :yh_mfight


Good lord I've not even posted in this thread!!

The boopster's welcome to take me wherever she fancies as far as I'm concerned.

I reckon we've all made this thread into something quite creative. Where else would we have discovered Hoppy's wish to take over Quebec, have startled Spot into not denying he still pulls wings off insects, we've got Accountable being well sort of reasonable and even democratic, we've got Chonsi checking out the waves, Clodhopper meditating on the psyche of fragile teens, Betty reading minds, and me so totally enthralled I'm late for a Monday morning meeting... We are all in Joona's debt. And I will personally help him/her euthanase with extreme prejudice anyone who says otherwise... :sneaky:

It's 23:18 and I've opened the wine.

You're all lovely. :-4:-4:-4

AussiePam;1235763 wrote: I reckon we've all made this thread into something quite creative. Where else would we have discovered Hoppy's wish to take over Quebec, have startled Spot into not denying he still pulls wings off insects, we've got Accountable being well sort of reasonable and even democratic, we've got Chonsi checking out the waves, Clodhopper meditating on the psyche of fragile teens, Betty reading minds, and me so totally enthralled I'm late for a Monday morning meeting... We are all in Joona's debt. And I will personally help him/her euthanase with extreme prejudice anyone who says otherwise... :sneaky:
:wah: :yh_clap :wah:

to the euro hitler, whos logic will they live by?

there are forces and lifeforms on this planet, being discovered daily, yet your precious science refuses to see them yet your gods such as albert einstien, says energy cannot be destroyed just transformed and redirected,at death the human body loses something like 28 grams of unexplainable wieght, some think its the energy we use to power our bodies, if so where does it go and/or what does it change into, untill your science can answer all the questions like these its worthless as fact, fact is definitive proof, science has prooved itself wrong on multiple occassions in the past, thats not any different then the track record of religions,and besides they might let you take away their rights to think and feel what they want but i like to think most people will fight it some how, a scientific dictatorship is still a dictatorship.

your ambissions sound an awful lot like hate of all who disagree with you,well depriving them of their right wont make them agree it will make them sheep or dead, maybe they'll get enough who agree with them and you'll be dead either way it sounds rude and wrong to me,im gald i dont live in europe.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

luciferjohn;1237432 wrote: to the euro hitler, whos logic will they live by?

there are forces and lifeforms on this planet, being discovered daily, yet your precious science refuses to see them yet your gods such as albert einstien, says energy cannot be destroyed just transformed and redirected,at death the human body loses something like 28 grams of unexplainable wieght, some think its the energy we use to power our bodies, if so where does it go and/or what does it change into, untill your science can answer all the questions like these its worthless as fact, fact is definitive proof, science has prooved itself wrong on multiple occassions in the past, thats not any different then the track record of religions,and besides they might let you take away their rights to think and feel what they want but i like to think most people will fight it some how, a scientific dictatorship is still a dictatorship.

your ambissions sound an awful lot like hate of all who disagree with you,well depriving them of their right wont make them agree it will make them sheep or dead, maybe they'll get enough who agree with them and you'll be dead either way it sounds rude and wrong to me,im gald i dont live in europe.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


It's not the real Europe LJ, it's only joonas insane babble version of it!

dubs;1237443 wrote: It's not the real Europe LJ, it's only joonas insane babble version of it!


joona's aim in posting here is to get people annoyed, he must be pretty bored to spend this much time to so little effect. Wanting to discuss a Europe/New World political split is a different thing to posturing. The chap's as unreadable and uninteresting as TruthBringer and that's saying something.

I'm into conspiracy theories and truly believe that Joona is one of our former FG member who may have been banned.....dunno His antics seem familiar. I have my thoughts as to who it may be:wah:

dubs;1237443 wrote: It's not the real Europe LJ, it's only joonas insane babble version of it!


i understand that but i think i post my honest oppinion, it will make him realize how uneducated he sounds or perhaps he can answer some of the questions eitherway it makes for interesting debate.

Kathy Ellen;1237475 wrote: I'm into conspiracy theories and truly believe that Joona is one of our former FG member who may have been banned.....dunno His antics seem familiar. I have my thoughts as to who it may be:wah:


Oh come on Kathy, every time anyone turns up here being controversial people come out with this. It would be much cleaner if it were left unsaid, it turns out to be practically never true.

spot;1237481 wrote: Oh come on Kathy, every time anyone turns up here being controversial people come out with this. It would be much cleaner if it were left unsaid, it turns out to be practically never true.


i must agree usually when people start with that they are usaully followers, no offense intended,but it has nothing to do with conspiracies so much as he was trying to get a response.:-5

luciferjohn;1237478 wrote: i understand that but i think i post my honest oppinion, it will make him realize how uneducated he sounds or perhaps he can answer some of the questions eitherway it makes for interesting debate.


The point of my post was that joona doesn't respond to questions hardly at all. There is no debate, just trolling for reaction.

dubs;1237489 wrote: The point of my post was that joona doesn't respond to questions hardly at all. There is no debate, just trolling for reaction.


oh well then its just an idiot trying to get shock value. i hate it when people do that