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there are 430,000 registered sexual offenders in the US. law enforcement is unaware of the whereabouts of fully 25% of them. it is proposed that they be tracked via GPS. the problem is that GPS is not monitored by people 24/7, it is monitored by computer and can only tell us where they have been. it's just an unwieldly idea that will not prevent a rape or murder or kidnapping. it can only help prove who was in the area when the crime occurred. that's if the batteries haven't run down. and microchips present the same problems. i wish there was an answer, sexual predators ALWAYS re-offend, they have a recidivism rate 4 times greater than other criminals.

I wish there was a way to keep better track as well. I'm not sure if this is just Missouri, but sex offenders must register when they move and its located on a website that you can look up. I've always wondered how up to date that is, and whether when the person moves, if he remembers to update his address.

I have one that lives right around the corner from my house. He is listed for "indecent exposure", which I am told could have been just urinating in the yard. Regardless, makes me leery.

it is proposed that they be tracked via GPS
I can understand how this looks like a great thing now, but I hampered by my ability to look ahead. How long would it be before the government/law enforcement start using GPS/RFID to track OTHER kinds of people? Murderers, thieves, sure, but eventually tax evaders, subway jumpers, drug offenders, etc. I can foresee a future where ALL people are equipped with some kind of locating device, which would inch us that much closer to the Orwellian 1984 nightmare.

/gets off his soapbox.

It's even scarier than that, hawke. My little sister used to work for a company that makes recognition software for PANs. Personal area networks.

Apparently, everyone's body gives off a weak field of energy with a specific signature, just like a fingerprint. She told me that her company's software can recognize and track a person in a city in realtime.

Suggested uses: You walk to a supermarket, the computer recognizes your field at the door, greets you, accesses a database on the kinds of things you have bought in the past and recommends items you like that are on sale.

Your car recognizes you and unlocks itself. Same with your house. None of your appliances, as a matter of fact will operate without you around, making stealing them useless.

Unrecommended uses: The computer tracks you continually during the day, recording your every destination and every shop you enter.

You can be traced anywhere and have virtually no privacy. Your stops can automatically be cross-referenced with thngs like known drug houses and bars. Possibly even making a database automatically of all your friends and acquaintences houses, enabling a predictiong of future travel patterns.

Your field being recognized, and you being a convicted drunk driver.. the door of the bar will not open for you. Nor would the doors of a school if you are a convicted child molester.

Your boss can track you on errands, and can fire you if he sees a pattern of tardiness or unexplained detours.



Scary, huh?

this is part of a letter from a sex offender, it is used in social work training

personally i'd like them all shot, however the government insist on rehabilitation, this letter gives an insite into there thought pattern, keep up the good work catching them

sex offenders choose to be, we both need to remember this, reducing the possibility of re-offending is only possible if i am actively getting treatment & being held accountable for all my actions

lots of people have troubled backgrounds like mine but never choose to molest children. dont give me excuses, my focus must be on the trauma i cause my victims, not myself, to molest a child i had to become selfish, dont enable this tendancy in me

i will lie to you, dont accept my evasions of the truth because it will encourage me to lie, half truths should be treated as a fully fledged lie, the truth is painfull but it must be faced. you are encouraged to pursue the truth when you feel i am being devious

i will make every effort to appear that i am just like you & everyone else, but my thinking is quite diffrent, ask yourself, could you enjoy causing trauma to a child?

i will try to outsmart you, this will allow me to avoid responsibility & lose respect for myself at the same time, it will also help me to retain my offending behaviours and harm others

action on your part will help me to face those realities i see to avoid, even so, i will seek to hop around keeping you off the most important subject & confuse the issues

i will not keep my promises, the nature of my deviant behaviour prevents me from keeping them even tho i mean it at the time, promises are my way of getting out of a difficult situation at the time, postponing the truth and avoiding reality, and i will keep switching agreements or changing important details, be aware of my manipulations

i will exploit you & take advantage of you, dont allow yourself to be an accomplace to my evasions of responsibility & one of my victims

i will try to become your 'buddy' to con you, dont make excuses for me, it may make us both feel better but it will encourage me to continue to excuse my actions, i will play the role of the victim & solicit your sympathy, in doing so i will make it difficult for you to confront me

i may fabricate anger towards you or others to get you to back off & stop confronting me, in doing so i control the way things go

i think the social work dept meant for this to be a way for workers to understand abusers & help them, all it says to me is i understand perfectly 'shoot them' as you say they will always reoffend, its just the way they are

People that commit egregious acts against people, especially children, should have it known that egregious things will come into their lives to counter their sick and despicable lifestyles. There is always the fear that some politicians or police will abuse the process but isn't it fair to save the children from death or the devastation that comes with abuse? This is a lifelong dilemma for the abused who can no longer fit into society because they are no longer the material that makes for good marriageable material.

You can say all is forgiven and it was not your fault but you are living a lie. Living lies is no way to live your life. Fearing exposure and the the pain that your abuse will engender amongst your neighbours and friends that you have assimilated into your life through deception can and will cause you untold bouts of paranoia.

If jives' sister has this software then why not put it to good use. To hell with the perfect humans and as they usually say, "If you have nothing to hide then there is nothing to fear"... ! Let them practice what they preach.

Keeping society safe is paramount. Not doing anything about this is tantamount to aiding and abetting the perverts of the world. The land of the free could then be seen to the perverts as a land of opportunity to do their thing because everybody understands that they aren't really bad people, they just like the thrill of making little children suffer for their selfish uses. They willbe chastized but once out they will be free to do it again and again and again again until they are caught. Leave no witnesses means devastation in theaffected families. Which is worth more. The pervs rights to unfettered living or the potential abuse victim's right to a life without having to live with the abuse that will come from the unfettered perv's rights.

To me this is a no-brainer. How about you?

kensloft wrote: There is always the fear that some politicians or police will abuse the process


A very, very great fear. Orwellian even.

If jives' sister has this software then why not put it to good use.


You do realize what you're advocating, right? The complete and utter loss of privacy, not just of child molesters because that's only where it would begin, not where it would end. It would end with the loss of YOUR privacy. Or as 1984 stated, "When you are watching TV, the TV is watching you."

Keeping society safe is paramount. The land of the free


Privacy is one of your freedoms. How can you be free if you give away your freedoms?

I ran this by a Christian friend of mine. He was appalled. He says that this kind of tracking is the "Mark of the Beast" referred to in Genesis. Security will be the byword of the One Wrold Order and the beginning of the end. The Anti-Christ will see to the giving of "barcodes" to everyone so that they can be "secure" After all, how can anyone steal your identity, if it's tattooed to your hand?

Well, that's what he says, anyway.

Wow this is a tough one. I think my right to privacy is one of my most important freedoms, and I think child molesters have renigged their rights to privacy. But...where DO we draw the line? I'd go out there and scream for GPS tracking of pedophiles and the next thing you know, folks with one too many parking tickets are being tracked. A double-edged sword if I ever heard one.

When I saw the title to this thread, my first reaction to the question was "In my high-powered scope, of course." But that's not what LC meant, darnit.

Methinks the answer is simple, offer pedaphiles either life without parole, death, or physical castration -- no high tech or follow up required :yh_think

Der Wulf wrote: Methinks the answer is simple, offer pedaphiles either life without parole, death, or physical castration -- no high tech or follow up required :yh_thinkmeThinks......... A big X branded on their forehead would be one FINE tracking tool..................

Jives wrote: A very, very great fear. Orwellian even.



You do realize what you're advocating, right? The complete and utter loss of privacy, not just of child molesters because that's only where it would begin, not where it would end. It would end with the loss of YOUR privacy. Or as 1984 stated, "When you are watching TV, the TV is watching you."



Privacy is one of your freedoms. How can you be free if you give away your freedoms?

I ran this by a Christian friend of mine. He was appalled. He says that this kind of tracking is the "Mark of the Beast" referred to in Genesis. Security will be the byword of the One Wrold Order and the beginning of the end. The Anti-Christ will see to the giving of "barcodes" to everyone so that they can be "secure" After all, how can anyone steal your identity, if it's tattooed to your hand?

Well, that's what he says, anyway.


Differentiating uses is what Democracy is all about in this day and age. Pedophiles are the limit. Any other uses should get the person doing so locked up with the pedophiles. It is an abrogation of the duty of the citizens to allow these people to hide behind the privacy of the majority of citizens. They've stepped over the line. If they want to live in society then they should realize that there are prices to be paid. They can be forgiven but society will decide when they should be and not them.

If you want society to worsen then just watch as children and ordinary citizens circle the wagons, stay home and grow fat. Living in constant fear of these people is not a life it is a life sentence.

BTS wrote: meThinks......... A big X branded on their forehead would be one FINE tracking tool..................
It would be great but the lives that they would live would not allow for any productivity. People would be going up on murder raps because they would decide to take justice into their own hands... yadda yadda yadda.

Naww...I disagree, Jives. These people do not deserve privacy.



So no big X...that makes sense...they need to be productive. So wadda we do???

Implant microchips.

kensloft wrote: Implant microchips.


oops...was this said before? That sounds familiar...sauce should have read more carefully.

Brilliant!!! And then they are tracked? By whom?

hotsauce wrote: oops...was this said before? That sounds familiar...sauce should have read more carefully.

Brilliant!!! And then they are tracked? By whom?
By the people in whose offices that the tracking devices are situated. In all probabilities it should be a federal office because they will move from state to state during their lifetimes.

Scrat wrote: There is no way to change the minds of these people. You can do physical things to change them castration ect but you cannot change how the brain works.
Depriving the brain of testosterone makes a profound change.:yh_hypno

Chemical castration works if the medication is taken, physical castration works, it requires no maintainence, or further cost to the taxpayers, it does not prevent the individual from being a functional, productive citizen, and except for the trial and sentencing, there is no overt effect on privacy.

To perform it without anesthetic on pedaphiles would IMO be justice.

http://texnews.com/texas97/ouch050897.html

devist8me wrote: I wish there was a way to keep better track as well. I'm not sure if this is just Missouri, but sex offenders must register when they move and its located on a website that you can look up. I've always wondered how up to date that is, and whether when the person moves, if he remembers to update his address.

I have one that lives right around the corner from my house. He is listed for "indecent exposure", which I am told could have been just urinating in the yard. Regardless, makes me leery.
This is precisely why the hysteria surrounding sex offenders should be stopped. For child molesters and rapists why on Earth are they out of jail to begin with? For those getting too romantic in a public place, (gays are the intended target here.) taking a wee when you can't make it to a restroom or other situational events that just happen sometimes are not sexual predators! These people are marked for life with their addresses posted to encourage vandalism and violence. I read of a man that had an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old girl. He was 25. He was arrested, jailed for SIX YEARS! And successfully completed a program related to his offense. He got letters from this girl for months until attorneys put a stop to it. He worked hard when he got out, rented a house and maintained a steady job. Neighbors dialed 911 when he walked to a bus stop, mowed his lawn or sat on his porch. His house was spray painted with the words "Child #@%*er." Hysteria rules though and lumping all people convicted of a sex crime under the current Draconian witchhunt law is wrong. KEEP the real molesters and rapists in prison! RAISE my taxes to pay for it! Keep minor offenders off the vigilante lists. Remember the two kids that were killed in an arson intended for a SEX OFFENDER!! They got the wrong house.......

Der Wulf wrote: Depriving the brain of testosterone makes a profound change.:yh_hypno

Chemical castration works if the medication is taken, physical castration works, it requires no maintainence, or further cost to the taxpayers, it does not prevent the individual from being a functional, productive citizen, and except for the trial and sentencing, there is no overt effect on privacy.

To perform it without anesthetic on pedaphiles would IMO be justice.

http://texnews.com/texas97/ouch050897.html
Der Wulf. Check out this site for what is shown through recent studies on lab animals. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2407/1/18

David813 wrote: This is precisely why the hysteria surrounding sex offenders should be stopped. For child molesters and rapists why on Earth are they out of jail to begin with? For those getting too romantic in a public place, (gays are the intended target here.) taking a wee when you can't make it to a restroom or other situational events that just happen sometimes are not sexual predators! These people are marked for life with their addresses posted to encourage vandalism and violence. I read of a man that had an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old girl. He was 25. He was arrested, jailed for SIX YEARS! And successfully completed a program related to his offense. He got letters from this girl for months until attorneys put a stop to it. He worked hard when he got out, rented a house and maintained a steady job. Neighbors dialed 911 when he walked to a bus stop, mowed his lawn or sat on his porch. His house was spray painted with the words "Child #@%*er." Hysteria rules though and lumping all people convicted of a sex crime under the current Draconian witchhunt law is wrong. KEEP the real molesters and rapists in prison! RAISE my taxes to pay for it! Keep minor offenders off the vigilante lists. Remember the two kids that were killed in an arson intended for a SEX OFFENDER!! They got the wrong house.......I have to agree with this. The only thing is, the law is not keeping them locked away.

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Banghead I feel i need to reply to this , my ex abused my 3 children, each time he has got away with it, i reported him to the police, each time thair has not been enough evedence. My kids lives are in ruines because of this peadafile. I feel helpless. saddend, hurt, and lots more.
If there is suspected abuse, call child protection services, get your kids to a shrink to get evaluated, he might be able to back your claim, take them to a doctor to be checked. I have trouble believing they would just let him continue abusing them.

Hi:

I am new to this site. I am a retired lineman and Vietnam Vet. This topic on Pedaphiles is what made me join this site. I have a lot of anger about this whole pedaphile leniency that these Judges giving such small punisment. When I think of those children suffering, dying, and if they are lucky to live, they will have PTSD, "Post Tramatic Syndrome Disorder".

What I am really interested in doing with my spare time, is learn how to track them, relay the infromation to the FBI, and maybe catch some of them in their tracks.

I have had this Idea to catch them for some time. I just don't know how to do it. I talked to my Dad, and he told me before I did anything, I had better talk to someone in the FBI, and find out proper procedure for helping. If there is any?

My Idea was to get on some of these teen chat lines and act like a young girl, and lure one or more of these animals out. Maybe the FBI could use me like that, then I could get that sicko to meet at a certain spot, And then the FBI would have to take over at that point. Because they have their own procedures to actual catch them. Like have a young woman officer posing as the girl or child he is suppose to meet. And when he makes his move then he is going down. And I and the FBI would have all the email records of the conversations, prior to the arrest. And I would be honored to be sitting in the court room, to varify our communications.

I really don't know were to begin with this, except before I do anything I will get some advise from, the FBI or possible one of you guy's, or gal's, could tell me how I can help with this problem.

I think we should build one big jail, and through all the Pedaphiles in it, lock the door, and throw away key. The thought of it just makes me what to vomit.

Give me some feed back before I loose my mind and temper.

Ron;

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OK i am not a feeb (FBI) but i am a cop. you can't do anything on your own. don't try to set up a sting. just report what you know and keep track of the pedophile lists, there are many. as to posing, that's what we do. we get them, don't worry. why don't you go to cop school?