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After observing for a long time what appears to be DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE (Poor) in the supermarket I can't help but notice the use of FOOD STAMPS. I have no problem with that. I also observe that most are pretty fat or grossly obese. I have no problem with that. When I see the fast food and crap that they have in their shopping carts, that's where I have a problem. For the same price or even less, there is within the supermarket, good nutritious meats, pork, fish, veggies and fruit. I have yet to see any fresh veggies & fruit and only occasionally hamburger (mince) or pork. They will overspend on buying packaged Beef Burritos (which I happen to like), frozen Pizza, frozen Chicken Tacos, Macaroni etc. It must be a generational thing, but someone needs to teach these folks how to shop, nutrition and cooking. It really does not cost a lot of money to eat well. When I see a family of 5 at a Fast Food Joint spending $32 on their dinner and they are all jumbos, I just think of all the good stuff I can prepare for the same money and more than just one meal. Oh---I like fast food too.



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Lon;1202012 wrote: After observing for a long time what appears to be DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE (Poor) in the supermarket I can't help but notice the use of FOOD STAMPS. I have no problem with that. I also observe that most are pretty fat or grossly obese. I have no problem with that. When I see the fast food and crap that they have in their shopping carts, that's where I have a problem. For the same price or even less, there is within the supermarket, good nutritious meats, pork, fish, veggies and fruit. I have yet to see any fresh veggies & fruit and only occasionally hamburger (mince) or pork. They will overspend on buying packaged Beef Burritos (which I happen to like), frozen Pizza, frozen Chicken Tacos, Macaroni etc. It must be a generational thing, but someone needs to teach these folks how to shop, nutrition and cooking. It really does not cost a lot of money to eat well. When I see a family of 5 at a Fast Food Joint spending $32 on their dinner and they are all jumbos, I just think of all the good stuff I can prepare for the same money and more than just one meal. Oh---I like fast food too.



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those are easy fix meals. ....

perhaps these people are ill educated on nutrition as well

and yes I agree teach them how to cook, and teach them about nutrition.

I know our system is far from perfect here in Canada, but every child learns about our "Canada Food Guide" this is an education on nutrition and for some of us it stays with us for others NO.

Just my thoughts.

Lon;1202012 wrote: After observing for a long time what appears to be DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE (Poor) in the supermarket I can't help but notice the use of FOOD STAMPS. I have no problem with that. I also observe that most are pretty fat or grossly obese. I have no problem with that. When I see the fast food and crap that they have in their shopping carts, that's where I have a problem. For the same price or even less, there is within the supermarket, good nutritious meats, pork, fish, veggies and fruit. I have yet to see any fresh veggies & fruit and only occasionally hamburger (mince) or pork. They will overspend on buying packaged Beef Burritos (which I happen to like), frozen Pizza, frozen Chicken Tacos, Macaroni etc. It must be a generational thing, but someone needs to teach these folks how to shop, nutrition and cooking. It really does not cost a lot of money to eat well. When I see a family of 5 at a Fast Food Joint spending $32 on their dinner and they are all jumbos, I just think of all the good stuff I can prepare for the same money and more than just one meal. Oh---I like fast food too.



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Gotta agree with you on this one. Until recently I was one of those people. Fast food, call for pizza, lots of finger food that I can eat while watching TV or on the computer. I quit all that and switched to beans, rice, oatmeal and whatever is on sale. Farmers markets help too. I learned to be inventive. Beans and rice can be dressed up with shredded cheese, tomatos etc. Mix oatmeal and instant potatoes half & half. There's no end to the inovations.

To my knowledge there is no choice involved with the purchase of any food with "Food Stamps". There is a section in my store marked food stamp items. They can't buy cuts of meat usually only chicken, and hamburger meat not much else. You have to buy everything by the book or you pay for it yourself. Bread, Butter, Milk, Cheese, Cereal, all very specific brands and nothing else. That is why it takes so darn long for them to check out every item has to be matched to the food stamp.

Carla is that true all over? I wasn't aware that they restricted you on types of food, just on non-food items being ineligible.

California really is that strict. I was on WIC 15 years ago. The stamps said exactly what products and sizes I could get even! It was all name brand and more expensive than the store brand, which I thought was wierd. It was so hard shopping that way that I gave it up and went to the Mission Project which gave away food boxes of misc. items including 5 pounds of corn meal in each!

This following site pertains to the CALIFORNIA FOOD STAMP PROGRAM and explains what foods are eligible. I see no exclusion for meat and poultry.



4. Using food stamps ~ California Food Stamp Guide

You won't be buying good cuts of meat on these amounts.

[QUOTE]How many Food Stamps can you receive?

Your food stamp allotment depends on the size of your household. The maximum allotment for one person is $176 per month. The maximum allotment for a four-person family is $588. In California, the average amount of benefits per person is approximately $86 per month, and the average amount of benefits per household is $200.[/QUOTE]

Re the teaching to cook idea.. I thought I saw a program with Jamie Oliver where he tried to do just that.. Most were to lazy or un inspired to use his help though.

I dont think we have food stamps in the U.K.

My theory on poor fat people is they use food as a comfort, sugar rush ect. Its pretty awful being poor. I suppose eating may be the one thing to look forward too.

Let's see i'm poor and have the choice of a fresh green salad or microwave meal of chicken korma hmmmm what will i pick, not hard is it?

Victoria;1202085 wrote: Re the teaching to cook idea.. I thought I saw a program with Jamie Oliver where he tried to do just that.. Most were to lazy or un inspired to use his help though.


This was an excellent programme. I bought the book which has some good recipes.....very easy !!



There is a web site and the Rotheram 'Pass it on shop' is doing well I believe. Ministry of Food - News - Rotherham Food Centre Update



It is easy to become lazy about cooking nutritious meals and there are little or NO cookery lessons in schools any more.

Go on Bez, you can do a GCSE in home economics - lots do - and schools have cookery teaching rooms

spot;1202112 wrote: Go on Bez, you can do a GCSE in home economics - lots do - and schools have cookery teaching rooms


Hi Spot. .....I'm not a bad cook and swear by my 1964 Marguerite Patten 'Cookery in colour'. The weights and measures are a pain though....pounds and ounces. !!!

I must admit though when I was in England last year I found it very expensive to buy fresh fruit and veg esp when Iceland is offering 'dinners for a pound' with the two silly gabby women in the ad and all the bogof's in the supermarket seemed to be pies,sausages,cakes, and crisp.

I never saw a single 'buy one get one' free lettuce or bag of appels

Bez;1202119 wrote: Hi Spot. .....I'm not a bad cook and swear by my 1964 Marguerite Patten 'Cookery in colour'. The weights and measures are a pain though....pounds and ounces. !!!


I'm sure you cook wonderfully Bez - I was commenting on "there are little or NO cookery lessons in schools any more."

buttercup;1202107 wrote: I dont think we have food stamps in the U.K.

My theory on poor fat people is they use food as a comfort, sugar rush ect. Its pretty awful being poor. I suppose eating may be the one thing to look forward too.



Let's see i'm poor and have the choice of a fresh green salad or microwave meal of chicken korma hmmmm what will i pick, not hard is it?


I don't know about food costs in the UK, but for what a package of FROZEN Chicken Korma would cost here in the US I can make a healthy, thick soup with meat & veggies for the whole family.

They should not only teach the poor basic cooking, but how to shop, compare prices, making healty choices.

Fat and poor don't got hand in hand and I think it is an over statement to keep mentioning it. I know plenty fat middle class, and rich people. In fact there are more of them then the "Poor Fat People." Poor people have limited money for food so they buy what will stretch an entire month if they have food stamps. Hard to cook a meal when you can't pay to have the electricity turned on.

If they are homeless buying fruits, vegetables,and cuts of meat wouldn't make any sense now would it, no place to store it, or cook it. Homeless people sure wouldn't have access to watch a cooking show either.

Poor people don't use the food for comfort. When your poor there is no comfort you go buy and eat what fills your stomach has not a damn thing to do with comfort or sugar rushes.

Volunteer some time at shelter your will see poor through different eyes. This is where I donate my time Homeless Women's Services -- Catholic Charities -- Diocese of San Diego

Carla i dont think Lon was talking about homeless people and neither was i. Big difference between poor and homeless.

Lon;1202155 wrote: They should not only teach the poor basic cooking, but how to shop, compare prices, making healty choices.


Who is they and how do you propose this is done, who finances it?

How do you round up all the poor. What you may think is a poor person may be highly offended you thought they were.

Like I said bring education back into school, start teaching nutrition, money managing, price comparison health etc to the kids, break the cycle the parents have got into.

Much like drivers training, if the parent teaches the kid how to drive they teach the bad habits too.

I understand that you both make it sound like poor people have all the resources at their their fingertips to make good meals a kitchen, a stove, a refrigerator, a TV to watch a cooking show most don't. Some are lazy yes, but for most its not a choice and there isn't much confort in their lives be they homeless or with a roof over their heads. Sure educating them is the key to their confidence in many areas of their lives.

[QUOTE]Carla i dont think Lon was talking about homeless people and neither was i. Big difference between poor and homeless.[/QUOTE]

brilliant idea!

buttercup;1202166 wrote: Who is they and how do you propose this is done, who finances it?

How do you round up all the poor. What you may think is a poor person may be highly offended you thought they were.


You don't have to round up the poor, they tend to congregate. And the Social Service Agencies of which there are many could do the teaching. They already have resources. It's not a matter of me thinking that anyone is poor, if they are on Public Assistance they are poor. What's to offend?

CARLA;1202157 wrote: Fat and poor don't got hand in hand and I think it is an over statement to keep mentioning it. I know plenty fat middle class, and rich people. In fact there are more of them then the "Poor Fat People." Poor people have limited money for food so they buy what will stretch an entire month if they have food stamps. Hard to cook a meal when you can't pay to have the electricity turned on.

If they are homeless buying fruits, vegetables,and cuts of meat wouldn't make any sense now would it, no place to store it, or cook it. Homeless people sure wouldn't have access to watch a cooking show either.

Poor people don't use the food for comfort. When your poor there is no comfort you go buy and eat what fills your stomach has not a damn thing to do with comfort or sugar rushes.

Volunteer some time at shelter your will see poor through different eyes. This is where I donate my time Homeless Women's Services -- Catholic Charities -- Diocese of San Diego


I am not talking about Homeless-----just Poor, and there is a difference. Of course their are obese and fat rich people, but the poor have an over abundance due to high carb, high sugar diets.

Lon;1202154 wrote: I don't know about food costs in the UK, but for what a package of FROZEN Chicken Korma would cost here in the US I can make a healthy, thick soup with meat & veggies for the whole family.
well we cant buy two bottles of red wine for the cost of a packet of cigs:rolleyes:

Lon;1202155 wrote: They should not only teach the poor basic cooking, but how to shop, compare prices, making healty choices.
and who is going to help the Rich?

CARLA;1202157 wrote: Fat and poor don't got hand in hand and I think it is an over statement to keep mentioning it. I know plenty fat middle class, and rich people. In fact there are more of them then the "Poor Fat People." Poor people have limited money for food so they buy what will stretch an entire month if they have food stamps. Hard to cook a meal when you can't pay to have the electricity turned on.

If they are homeless buying fruits, vegetables,and cuts of meat wouldn't make any sense now would it, no place to store it, or cook it. Homeless people sure wouldn't have access to watch a cooking show either.

Poor people don't use the food for comfort. When your poor there is no comfort you go buy and eat what fills your stomach has not a damn thing to do with comfort or sugar rushes.

Volunteer some time at shelter your will see poor through different eyes. This is where I donate my time Homeless Women's Services -- Catholic Charities -- Diocese of San Diego
well said Carla!:D

as for this thread

I have never seen such rudeness and arrogance in a long time!

without getting into any of the squibels you guys are ..... quibling over squables



i just get a packet of pita breads i prefer brown wholemeal ones :)i keep them in the freezer



i get some packet ham ,some grated carrots,grated red and green cabbage

i eat this twice a day

put the pita breads in the toaster and shovell as much grated veg as i can into the a bit of spicey relish and yahay its great and so cheap :-4:-4

farmer giles;1202189 wrote: without getting into any of the squibels you guys are ..... quibling over squables



i just get a packet of pita breads i prefer brown wholemeal ones :)i keep them in the freezer



i get some packet ham ,some grated carrots,grated red and green cabbage

i eat this twice a day

put the pita breads in the toaster and shovell as much grated veg as i can into the a bit of spicey relish and yahay its great and so cheap :-4:-4


oh come on,,, thats not very entertaining is it:rolleyes::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

kazalala;1202190 wrote: oh come on,,, thats not very entertaining is it:rolleyes::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


i just looked on snopes and yes it is :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



there you go a fact and an arguement plus a bonus lie all in one post:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

farmer giles;1202192 wrote: i just looked on snopes and yes it is :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



there you go a fact and an arguement plus a bonus lie all in one post:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


I beg to differ ,,, its cos you are a pitta bread eater isnt it:sneaky:;):D

kazalala;1202193 wrote: I beg to differ ,,, its cos you are a pitta bread eater isnt it:sneaky:;):D


brown pitta breads at that with more red cabbage than white plus i use french dressing uh oh here we go pile in the PC correct brigade :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

farmer giles;1202195 wrote: brown pitta breads at that with more red cabbage than white plus i use french dressing uh oh here we go pile in the PC correct brigade :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


oh im far too boring to rise to that bait:rolleyes::D

[QUOTE=kazalala;1202197]oh im far too boring to rise to that bait:rolleyes::D[/QUOTE



B eautiful



N ice



P itta :sneaky::sneaky:

farmer giles;1202199 wrote: [QUOTE=kazalala;1202197]oh im far too boring to rise to that bait:rolleyes::D[/QUOTE



B eautiful



N ice



P itta :sneaky::sneaky:


no more like

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T osser:D

It never amazes me how a thread can get so out of whack and some people get so offended over nothing.



My initial post ain't about Rich vs. Poor, Fat vs. Thin, Homeless vs. Poor. It seems to be taken as a slam or criticism of poor people. Sorry that some of you have taken it that way. I know poor-------I've been there.



The point I was trying to make and apparently failed, is that with many (not all) of the poor, it would be helpful to their overall well being to learn the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition. Given the fact that many (not all) of poor people happen to be generational poor, the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition have not been passed down from parents to children, therefore it just might be helpful if some existing agency could teach these things.



Now if this doesn't adequately explain what I initially was trying to say and some of you find offense-----------Kiss my gluteus maximus!!:D

Lon;1202244 wrote: It never amazes me how a thread can get so out of whack and some people get so offended over nothing.



My initial post ain't about Rich vs. Poor, Fat vs. Thin, Homeless vs. Poor. It seems to be taken as a slam or criticism of poor people. Sorry that some of you have taken it that way. I know poor-------I've been there.



The point I was trying to make and apparently failed, is that with many (not all) of the poor, it would be helpful to their overall well being to learn the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition. Given the fact that many (not all) of poor people happen to be generational poor, the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition have not been passed down from parents to children, therefore it just might be helpful if some existing agency could teach these things.



Now if this doesn't adequately explain what I initially was trying to say and some of you find offense-----------Kiss my gluteus maximus!!:D


Im not in the habit of arse kissing thank you ,,, i said my opinion if you dont like it take your own advice.

kazalla said: well we cant buy two bottles of red wine for the cost of a packet of cigs:rolleyes:



At $10.00 per pack for ciggs in some parts of the U.S. and all New Zealand you can buy decent red wine for $5.00 per bottle.

Lon;1202244 wrote: It never amazes me how a thread can get so out of whack and some people get so offended over nothing.



My initial post ain't about Rich vs. Poor, Fat vs. Thin, Homeless vs. Poor. It seems to be taken as a slam or criticism of poor people. Sorry that some of you have taken it that way. I know poor-------I've been there.



The point I was trying to make and apparently failed, is that with many (not all) of the poor, it would be helpful to their overall well being to learn the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition. Given the fact that many (not all) of poor people happen to be generational poor, the skills of selective shopping, cooking and nutrition have not been passed down from parents to children, therefore it just might be helpful if some existing agency could teach these things.



Now if this doesn't adequately explain what I initially was trying to say and some of you find offense-----------Kiss my gluteus maximus!!:D


lone i mean lon i love your posts mate , but i knew this was going to go wrong for you buddy

no matter what you post some one wants to take it the wrong way so as they can be nasty its just the way things are :rolleyes:

jimbo's special recipe for lon and wisey

Fruitcake Recipe

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1 cup water

1 cup sugar

4 large eggs

2 cups dried fruit

1 teaspoon baking soda

1 teaspoon salt

1 cup brown sugar

lemon juice

nuts



1 gallon whiskey



Sample the whiskey to check for quality.

Take a large bowl. Check the whiskey again to be sure it is of the highest quality.

Pour one level cup and drink.

Repeat.

Turn on the electric mixer;

beat 1 cup butter in a large, fluffy bowl

Add 1 teaspoon sugar and beat again.

Make sure the whiskey is still OK. Cry another tup.

Turn off mixer.

Break 2 legs and add to the bowl

and chuck in

the cup of dried fruit

Mix on the turner.

If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers, pry it loose with a drewscriver.

Sample the whiskey to check for tonsisticity.

Next, sift 2 cups of salt. Or something. Who cares?

Check the whiskey.

Now sift the lemon juice and strain your nuts

Add one table. Spoon. Of sugar or something.

Whatever you can find.

Grease the oven.

Turn the cake tin to 350 degrees.

Don't forget to beat off the turner

Throw the bowl out of the window

Check the whiskey again.

Go to bed

Who the hell likes fruitcake anyway?

Lon;1202248 wrote: kazalla said: well we cant buy two bottles of red wine for the cost of a packet of cigs:rolleyes:



At $10.00 per pack for ciggs in some parts of the U.S. and all New Zealand you can buy decent red wine for $5.00 per bottle.
i dont live in the us

farmer giles;1202249 wrote: lone i mean lon i love your posts mate , but i knew this was going to go wrong for you buddy

no matter what you post some one wants to take it the wrong way so as they can be nasty its just the way things are :rolleyes:


thanks buddy:rolleyes::yh_rotfl

kazalala;1202253 wrote: thanks buddy:rolleyes::yh_rotfl


sorry i never read the rest of the thread :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



er carry on :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

kazalala;1202247 wrote: Im not in the habit of arse kissing thank you ,,, i said my opinion if you dont like it take your own advice.


You have apparently decided to make this personal despite the fact that none of my posts were directed at you. Does this mean that we are at war?

Lon;1202261 wrote: You have apparently decided to make this personal despite the fact that none of my posts were directed you. Does this mean that we are at war?


ohhh gooodyy :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[quote=kazalala;1202253]i dont live in the us







That's your problem.:wah:

Lon;1202264 wrote: [quote=kazalala;1202253]i dont live in the us







That's your problem.:wah:




no its ours :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

have you ever been to mackem land :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



where is wise guy when i need him to post something that gets me off the hook :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lon;1202261 wrote: You have apparently decided to make this personal despite the fact that none of my posts were directed at you. Does this mean that we are at war?
Would Velveeta cheese be considered good poor food or poor good food?



I'll see if I can take some heat off of you Lonnolikadapoorpeopledude.

Lon;1202261 wrote: You have apparently decided to make this personal despite the fact that none of my posts were directed you. Does this mean that we are at war?
no .. i gave my opinion which wasnt a good one,, i said what i thought and it was directed at the message in this thread,, which was posted by you so i guess it was directed at you ,, actually it was directed at you as this wasnt the only thread or post of yours i had looked at open mouthed and in disbelief today so that probably coloured my reaction. I dont do wars,, i have had my say here and you have had yours and thats that, I will try my best to stay away from your threads in future.

farmer giles;1202263 wrote: ohhh gooodyy :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


you are welcome:)

kazalala;1202270 wrote: no .. i gave my opinion which wasnt a good one,, i said what i thought and it was directed at the message in this thread,, which was posted by you so i guess it was directed at you ,, actually it was directed at you as this wasnt the only thread or post of yours i had looked at open mouthed and in disbelief today so that probably coloured my reaction. I dont do wars,, i have had my say here and you have had yours and thats that, I will try my best to stay away from your threads in future.



you are welcome:)


why what do you think is wrong with lons clothes :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

YZGI;1202268 wrote: Would Velveeta cheese be considered good poor food or poor good food?



I'll see if I can take some heat off of you Lonnolikadapoorpeopledude.




I thrive on heat-------not to worry.



I grew up during WW2 eating loads of Velveeta cheese of white bread. I still like it despite the fact that it's a processed cheese and not as healthy as another choice of cheeses.