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Hunt ‘saboteurs’ on murder quiz as aircraft hits huntsman | The Sun |News

We are supposed to be horrified by this 'accident' are we?

Well excuse me pro-hunters, you are all aware that fox hunting is illegal in this country but you won't be told will you.? No, you continue to break the law using the under-manned police force to aid your barbaric sport.

If you had not of broken the law defying the ban, you wouldn't have had this 'accident' would you.

Now i suppose us anti-hunting protesters are going to be blamed for your un-timely death.

YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW

From the reports there is seems very confusing as to what happened, did he approach the gyrocopter as it landed, or did they try to put down near to him, or even buzz him. One way or the other it seems he much have come into contact with the helicopter blades, so needless to say it doesn't bear thinking about what happened to him.

Oscar, he may have been breaking the law hunting foxes; however, the murder or manslaughter of a human being are very serious offences indeed, so I would presume that if thats what has happened here then the people responsible will face long-term jail sentences and rightly so. I would presume their idealism about fox-hunting won't be seen as an adequate excuse for murder or manslaughter, (though of course this may just be a terrible accident or miscalculation on their part with no intend on killing this man).

As to your hatred for fox hunters that seems to suggest that you think this man deserved to die, I don't have a comment, it speaks for itself.

Galbally;1155095 wrote: From the reports there is seems very confusing as to what happened, did he approach the gyrocopter as it landed, or did they try to put down near to him, or even buzz him. One way or the other it seems he much have come into contact with the helicopter blades, so needless to say it doesn't bear thinking about what happened to him.

Oscar, he may have been breaking the law hunting foxes; however, the murder or manslaughter of a human being are very serious offences indeed, so I would presume that if thats what has happened here then the people responsible will face long-term jail sentences and rightly so. I would presume their idealism about fox-hunting won't be seen as an adequate excuse for murder or manslaughter, (though of course this may just be a terrible accident or miscalculation on their part with no intend on killing this man).

As to your hatred for fox hunters that seems to suggest that you think this man deserved to die, I don't have a comment, it speaks for itself.


No-one 'deserves' to die. Every murder or manslaughter is a sadness. The man put himself in the position by breaking the law and from what i have just seen on BBC news, i do not believe this was anything but an accident. There is even the question that he may have appraoched the copter and mis-calculated the blades.

If a man defies a road block and gets shot by police, who's fault is it?

If a burgler gets caught and the owner stabs him, who's fault is it?

He was breaking the law. Weather you or any-one else agrees with fox hunting and that is personal choice, an act was passed through Parliment. Are you suggesting that the entire country totally ignores any law passed through parliment? Is that not how anarchy breaks out? Why the hell should the population have to abide by the law of the land but fox hunters feel they are exempt? Bloody hypocrites. If a fox hunters child was mown down because some scroat broke the law by speeding, he would be the first crying for the police to bang him up for life.

Aviation already recieved complaints about the copter by the anti-hunting brigade and claimed they had been 'buzzing' them all week. If the police had arrested the idiot for breaking the law in the first place, he would not have been in that position. Typical pro-fox-hunting Tossers. Break the law repeatedly, laugh in the face of an under-manned police form but then whine and whinge because some nasty anti-hunt protesters have been buzzing them. Let's not forget 600 police officers injured and some quite seriously in 2004 when pro-hunt supporters stormed Parliment and not one arrest was made. Now, oh dear, one of their own has got hurt.

What is the reason for fox hunting over there? The only time I hear about someone hunting fox here is because they are a nuisance to chickens and such on a farm. I can't remember ever hearing of them hunting foxes for sport around here. I don't imagine they eat them, so is it for the pelts? I only hunt what I can eat.

YZGI;1155120 wrote: What is the reason for fox hunting over there? The only time I hear about someone hunting fox here is because they are a nuisance to chickens and such on a farm. I can't remember ever hearing of them hunting foxes for sport around here. I don't imagine they eat them, so is it for the pelts? I only hunt what I can eat. No mate, it's not for pelts nor food. Also Britain is unlike America. We have Countryside but no-where near the amount of farms that warrants fox hunting. Most farmers here will shoot a fox humanely if it's a real threat in lambing. Fox hunters are nothing but cowards. They are Upper class Hooray Henry's who get more thrill from chasing the fox with a pack of baying dogs that then tear it to shreds when the fox can no longer run for it's life.

Nothing gives me more pleasure than when i am at a point to point meeting and the Tossers are all there complete with bugle and pack of dogs, all dressed up and no-where to go.

I am an anti-fox hunting protester.

oscar;1155125 wrote: No mate, it's not for pelts nor food. Also Britain is unlike America. We have Countryside but no-where near the amount of farms that warrants fox hunting. Most farmers here will shoot a fox humanely if it's a real threat in lambing. Fox hunters are nothing but cowards. They are Upper class Hooray Henry's who get more thrill from chasing the fox with a pack of baying dogs that then tear it to shreds when the fox can no longer run for it's life.

Nothing gives me more pleasure than when i am at a point to point meeting and the Tossers are all there complete with bugle and pack of dogs, all dressed up and no-where to go.



I am an anti-fox hunting protester.


Sounds kinda gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that..

YZGI;1155127 wrote: Sounds kinda gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.. :wah: I like your style. This is how they dress so you can see how 'gay' they look :wah:

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oscar;1155140 wrote: :wah: I like your style. This is how they dress so you can see how 'gay' they look :wah:
Yeah, I've seen them before. I would think if someone is going to hunt something they would at least get a usuable by-product from the "game".. Not just kill for killing's sake.

YZGI;1155147 wrote: Yeah, I've seen them before. I would think if someone is going to hunt something they would at least get a usuable by-product from the "game".. Not just kill for killing's sake. Exactly right..... 'Oscar Wilde' said of fox hunting 'The persuit of the inedible'.

There is no by-product. Mt arguement has always been that if these people were Hells Angels on Harley Davidsons wearing leather Jackets instead of the rich, it would have been out-lawed years ago. in 2004 the voice of the people spoke to the Government. It was the first law outlawed that was truely a 'people's choice' and we have Tony Blair to thank for that.

I ahve a pack of foxes that have been coming to my garden every night for years. If anyone harmed them, i'd be in prison.

oscar;1155140 wrote: :wah: I like your style. This is how they dress so you can see how 'gay' they look :wah:


sorry oscar this might be where you and i fall out !!

why is it that hunting "uniform " is the only one any where in sporting history that is laughed at............. have you watched show jumping ? they wear this at these events too. no one takes the micky out of them !!

as for the guy who lost his life in this dreadful manner, who said he was breaking the law ?? drag hunting is perfectly legal in this country

and who was to say he was doing anything other than this ??

and what the hell was a gyro coptor doing landing close enough to a person on a horse to hit it anyway ?

i have seen some disgusting behavoir from these antis at different times, including sending a 12yr old girl and her pony to a crashing heap on a tarmac road when they sprang out from bushes banging an oil drum with sticks.

they nail dead animals to peoples doors (who killed the animal in the first place ??) send letter bombs and poisonus substances through the post, that not only injure the recipients but the people handling the stuff too.

they spray all sorts of concoctions on both hounds and horses yet they are supposed to be animal lovers.

they release mink into the countryside where they devastate the wild life and pets alike.

if they are such firm believers in what they do, why cover themselves with masks, scarves and hoodies while they are doing it ??

im not saying there isnt good and bad on both sides, its been a long time since i had anything to do with hunting but your attitude towards the murdered man has somewhat shocked me.

oscar;1155079 wrote: Hunt ‘saboteurs’ on murder quiz as aircraft hits huntsman | The Sun |News

We are supposed to be horrified by this 'accident' are we?

Well excuse me pro-hunters, you are all aware that fox hunting is illegal in this country but you won't be told will you.? No, you continue to break the law using the under-manned police force to aid your barbaric sport.

If you had not of broken the law defying the ban, you wouldn't have had this 'accident' would you.

Now i suppose us anti-hunting protesters are going to be blamed for your un-timely death.

YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW


R.I.P.

What a terrible tragedy that was totally avoidable. Why do protesters go too far. A human life???

That poor man's family must be devastated.

Sorry Oscar but your op is so unfeeling it's gut wrenching.

oscar;1155125 wrote: No mate, it's not for pelts nor food. Also Britain is unlike America. We have Countryside but no-where near the amount of farms that warrants fox hunting. Most farmers here will shoot a fox humanely if it's a real threat in lambing. Fox hunters are nothing but cowards. They are Upper class Hooray Henry's who get more thrill from chasing the fox with a pack of baying dogs that then tear it to shreds when the fox can no longer run for it's life.

Nothing gives me more pleasure than when i am at a point to point meeting and the Tossers are all there complete with bugle and pack of dogs, all dressed up and no-where to go.

I am an anti-fox hunting protester.


sorry to dissolusion you oscar but by attending these meetings you are supporting the very thing you are so totally against. this is where the majority of money is raised to support the upkeep of both hunt kennells and hounds.

Helen;1155197 wrote: sorry oscar this might be where you and i fall out !!

why is it that hunting "uniform " is the only one any where in sporting history that is laughed at............. have you watched show jumping ? they wear this at these events too. no one takes the micky out of them !!

as for the guy who lost his life in this dreadful manner, who said he was breaking the law ?? drag hunting is perfectly legal in this country

and who was to say he was doing anything other than this ??

and what the hell was a gyro coptor doing landing close enough to a person on a horse to hit it anyway ?

i have seen some disgusting behavoir from these antis at different times, including sending a 12yr old girl and her pony to a crashing heap on a tarmac road when they sprang out from bushes banging an oil drum with sticks.

they nail dead animals to peoples doors (who killed the animal in the first place ??) send letter bombs and poisonus substances through the post, that not only injure the recipients but the people handling the stuff too.

they spray all sorts of concoctions on both hounds and horses yet they are supposed to be animal lovers.

they release mink into the countryside where they devastate the wild life and pets alike.

if they are such firm believers in what they do, why cover themselves with masks, scarves and hoodies while they are doing it ??

im not saying there isnt good and bad on both sides, its been a long time since i had anything to do with hunting but your attitude towards the murdered man has somewhat shocked me. No probs helen, you and i won't fall out. I see your side and i agree with a lot you say. I am an anti-fox hunting protester... not an activist in the extreme. I have gone to hunts and used aniseed to de-rail the dogs scent. If i was likely to be in an event where folk were likely to get hurt, I'd pull out. From my view on Fox hunting, I and many others spent years campaigning for the law to be changed. We were successfull only to have the hunters laugh in our, the police and the politicians faces and carry on regardless.

The one's you speak of such as the people who bomb animal testing labs are the extremists and any peaceful protester unfortunately gets tarred with the same brush.

Do you have any idea of what happens to the hounds when they are to old or unfit for purpose? They destroy them. Do you know how many horses are seriously injured and shot due to falling at fences during a hunt? The people who fox hunt have no regard for the foxes, their horses or their dogs. Do you know how many fox hunters have assaulted a member of a peaceful protest and ended up being arrested? far more than is publiced in the media.

What about the 600 police officers who's injuries included broken teeth and broken arms by fox hunters when they stormed Parliment in 2004? That was nothing more than an act of violence. I'd be more sympathetic if the fox hunters themselves were not guilty of the same violence that some of the extreme animal rights protesters have shown our police.

The huge difference with fox hunting and drag racing or mink farming, is that fox hunting is illegal pure and simple. You just can not have a situation in this country where an act of Parliment is passed and a chosen few deciding to ignore it. What if boy racers decide to ignore the speed limits laid down by the law and kill your family? Law is law and every one has to abide by it. This man did not.

Chezzie;1155206 wrote: R.I.P.

What a terrible tragedy that was totally avoidable. Why do protesters go too far. A human life???

That poor man's family must be devastated.

Sorry Oscar but your op is so unfeeling it's gut wrenching.


Who put a gun to this mans head and forced him onto the hunt?

YZGI;1155127 wrote: Sounds kinda gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that..


I agree.

Real men do this... :wah:

Helen;1155207 wrote: sorry to dissolusion you oscar but by attending these meetings you are supporting the very thing you are so totally against. this is where the majority of money is raised to support the upkeep of both hunt kennells and hounds. I beg to differ..... I am also linked to a rescue organisation that has to pick up these beagles when they are no longer wanted or injured from ahunt. They don't give two hoots.

http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/TN284.html

One of many

oscar;1155214 wrote: No probs helen, you and i won't fall out. I see your side and i agree with a lot you say. I am an anti-fox hunting protester... not an activist in the extreme. I have gone to hunts and used aniseed to de-rail the dogs scent. If i was likely to be in an event where folk were likely to get hurt, I'd pull out. From my view on Fox hunting, I and many others spent years campaigning for the law to be changed. We were successfull only to have the hunters laugh in our, the police and the politicians faces and carry on regardless.

The one's you speak of such as the people who bomb animal testing labs are the extremists and any peaceful protester unfortunately gets tarred with the same brush.

Do you have any idea of what happens to the hounds when they are to old or unfit for purpose? They destroy them. Do you know how many horses are seriously injured and shot due to falling at fences during a hunt? The people who fox hunt have no regard for the foxes their horses or their dogs. Do you know how many fox hunters have assaulted a member of a peaceful protest and ended up being arrested? far more than is publiced in the media.

What about the 600 police officers who's injuries included broken teeth and broken arms by fox hunters when they stormed Parliment in 2004? That was nothing more than an act of violence. I'd be more sympathetic if the fox hunters themselves were not guilty of the same violence that some of the extreme animal rights protesters have shown our police.

The huge difference with fox hunting and drag racing or mink farming, is that fox hunting is illegal pure and simple. You just can not have a situation in this country where an act of Parliment is passed and a chosen few deciding to ignore it. What if boy racers decide to ignore the speed limits laid down by the law and kill your family? Law is law and every one has to abide by it. This man did not.


i used to work for the joint master of the new forest hounds, about 30yrs (:eek::eek: )ago.

these animals are the tools of their trade so to speak and if they arnt looked after, they dont work properly. hunt horses go for many thousands of pounds, as do the race horses (jumpers ) that get their training while out hunting. it would be foolish of them not to be caring for them properly.

yes i do know what happens to them at the end of their life. despite what people seem to think hounds cannot be turned into pets after their hunting life is over. they answer to one person, the huntsman and they are certainly not house trained !!!:o

a horse can be badly injured in what ever activity it is taking part in and regretably no one has ever come up with the answer on how to treat and sucessfully heal broken limbs, not to the extent where it can lead a normal and productive life again anyway.

with that i must take the dog out now.

and in reply to your other thread................. i talk to him constantly !!!:rolleyes: he has been my only companoin for several years and i would be devastated with out him to hear my sorrows and my joys

Helen;1155231 wrote: i used to work for the joint master of the new forest hounds, about 30yrs (:eek::eek: )ago.

these animals are the tools of their trade so to speak and if they arnt looked after, they dont work properly. hunt horses go for many thousands of pounds, as do the race horses (jumpers ) that get their training while out hunting. it would be foolish of them not to be caring for them properly.

yes i do know what happens to them at the end of their life. despite what people seem to think hounds cannot be turned into pets after their hunting life is over. they answer to one person, the huntsman and they are certainly not house trained !!!:o

a horse can be badly injured in what ever activity it is taking part in and regretably no one has ever come up with the answer on how to treat and sucessfully heal broken limbs, not to the extent where it can lead a normal and productive life again anyway.

with that i must take the dog out now.

and in reply to your other thread................. i talk to him constantly !!!:rolleyes: he has been my only companoin for several years and i would be devastated with out him to hear my sorrows and my joys


You have no idea, sorry Helen.

The House of Commons divisions on hunting with dogs bill

The House of Commons divisions on hunting with dogs bill.

In favour of total ban 386 Opposed 175 Majority 211

Third Way proposition -

In favour 169 Against 371 Majority 202



In fact, the vote in the House of Lords is neither here nor there since it is an unelected assembly responsible to no one. One speech alone is worthy of preservation. It is recorded here.

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oscar;1155224 wrote: I beg to differ..... I am also linked to a rescue organisation that has to pick up these beagles when they are no longer wanted or injured from ahunt. They don't give two hoots.

HANNAH'S BEAGLE HAVEN

One of many


beagles and fox hounds are two totally different animals !!

Helen;1155234 wrote: beagles and fox hounds are two totally different animals !! What i have seen with my own eyes over the years, they are treated the same by the very people they have shown their loyalty to. I did not oppose fox hunting for just foxes, it was also to stop the slaughter of hounds and horses. I can find equally gruesome reports of horse injuries. There is just no place for savages in our society.

He broke the law.

What about the 60 police officers who had arms broken and teeth knocked out when fox hunters stormed Parliment in 2004. what about them?

The Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1473007 ... cemen.html



Among the wounded were 25 officers who were assaulted, 23 who were hit by flying objects and five who were exposed to an explosion. Another officer was injured while handling, lifting or carrying a device and there were six other injuries.

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An explosion fgs? Who are the real activists?

Might I point out, to get back to the topic, that the gyrocopter was on an airfield at the time and the hunt member, at a guess, had tracked it to its lair with an intent to chastise the people using it. The chance of the crew being prosecuted is infinitesimal. If the hunt member weren't dead he'd presumably be in court himself for endangering the life of the pilot.

spot;1155303 wrote: Might I point out, to get back to the topic, that the gyrocopter was on an airfield at the time and the hunt member, at a guess, had tracked it to its lair with an intent to chastise the people using it. The chance of the crew being prosecuted is infinitesimal. If the hunt member weren't dead he'd presumably be in court himself for endangering the life of the pilot. THANKYOU SPOTThis was an update on lunchtime news that I was waiting on. Yes, indeed, at luchtime there was the question that the victem (fox hunter) was aggressive to the pilot.

Don't misunderstand me, his death is tragic but he put himself in that position.

i am now watching this on sky news.................

HE WAS NOT OUT HUNTING !!!

he had gone to the air field to complain about the behavoir of a gyro copter pilot several days before hand while he WAS out hunting.

he was apparantly struck by the rear blade of the coptor, investigations are on going...........................

Helen;1155326 wrote: i am now watching this on sky news.................

HE WAS NOT OUT HUNTING !!!

he had gone to the air field to complain about the behavoir of a gyro copter pilot several days before hand while he WAS out hunting.

he was apparantly struck by the rear blade of the coptor, investigations are on going........................... Logic alone says if he was close enough to the copter to be hit by a blade, then he was not filling in paperwork to file a complaint in the office. Why was he so close?

If he was indeed murdered, I shall be the first to condmn his murderer. As for the hunt, it was over the fact that he was at the Warick hunt. I suppose we need more details but the truth will come out.

oscar;1155328 wrote: Logic alone says if he was close enough to the copter to be hit by a blade, then he was not filling in paperwork to file a complaint in the office. Why was he so close?

If he was indeed murdered, I shall be the first to condmn his murderer. As for the hunt, it was over the fact that he was at the Warick hunt. I suppose we need more details but the truth will come out.


now theyve changed their bloody minds and said he was out with the south warwickshire hounds !!!!!!

thats in the space of five minits !!!!!!

cant help thinking if he was out walking with his kids or something this would have headlined as a tragic accident but because the dreaded words HUNT SUPPORTER were mentioned, its got more than its fair share of press !!

Helen;1155326 wrote: i am now watching this on sky news.................

HE WAS NOT OUT HUNTING !!!

he had gone to the air field to complain about the behavoir of a gyro copter pilot several days before hand while he WAS out hunting.

he was apparantly struck by the rear blade of the coptor, investigations are on going...........................


Two arrested for murder after hunt follower is killed by gyrocopter - Times Online

HE HAD BEEN OUT HUNTING

HE APPROACHED THE AIRCRAFT

it dosnt matter if he was out running naked through a feild of thistles, as i said the words "hunt supporter " were mentioned, what happened to him has now taken second place to the great hunting debate, judging by the comments left on that news item.

no one has been prooved doing anything illegal, except for perhaps the man himself for being on the airfeild in the first place.

Helen;1155343 wrote: it dosnt matter if he was out running naked through a feild of thistles, as i said the words "hunt supporter " were mentioned, what happened to him has now taken second place to the great hunting debate, judging by the comments left on that news item.

no one has been prooved doing anything illegal, except for perhaps the man himself for being on the airfeild in the first place. I've been googling like mad to try to get an even side of imfo on this as so many stories are conflicting. From everything I've read and the BBC news today, it appears the man:

Was fox hunting on the Wawickshire hunt over three days.

The anti-protester was buzzing the hunt to deter them.

A complaint was made to aviation about the buzzing but no action was taken

The man then decide to go to the airfield where the copter was based.

The copter was re-fuelling and not flying.

The man approached the pilot in the copter and was hit by a blade.

spot;1155303 wrote: Might I point out, to get back to the topic, that the gyrocopter was on an airfield at the time and the hunt member, at a guess, had tracked it to its lair with an intent to chastise the people using it. The chance of the crew being prosecuted is infinitesimal. If the hunt member weren't dead he'd presumably be in court himself for endangering the life of the pilot.


Hunt supporter was virtually decapitated by rotor blade as 'he confronted saboteurs in gyrocopter' | Mail Online

Tomorrows headlines Spot.

HE confronted pilot.

I've entered him for the Darwin award. Stupid prat.

spot;1155466 wrote: I've entered him for the Darwin award. Stupid prat. If your refering to the hunter, I'll second it.

Wow guys feel the love.



What is it about English people and flipping foxes, and baby calves, and the little deers and all that rubbish. Its just class warfare as far as I can see, and this urban attitude to life, which is what happens when your experience of actually growing food is based on Beatrix Potter novels or the Wind in the Willows.

You have a city called London where tens of thousands of people sleep rough every night and no one gives a crap, you have a food chain based on supermarkets and an animal holocaust every week involving the suffering and death of millions of animals that are subsequently stuffed into celophane and sold on supermarket shelves and no one is remotely bothered, and then you have all these suburbanites banging on about a couple of hundred foxes as if they were little babies about to be thrown into a shredder.

Its not the foxes you love, foxes are just vermin that have nice colouring. You have to cull them one way or another, what difference does it make whether its with dogs on horses or with poison or shotguns?

Its the nobs on the horses you hate, why don't you just have nob hunts and get rid of them, starting with Lizzy Windsor in Buck house.

What a barmy lot you really are. :wah:

spot;1155466 wrote: I've entered him for the Darwin award.




OH OH ! Pick me !!!

Galbally;1155711 wrote: Wow guys feel the love.



What is it about English people and flipping foxes, and baby calves, and the little deers and all that rubbish. Its just class warfare as far as I can see, and this urban attitude to life, which is what happens when your experience of actually growing food is based on Beatrix Potter novels or the Wind in the Willows.

You have a city called London where tens of thousands of people sleep rough every night and no one gives a crap, you have a food chain based on supermarkets and an animal holocaust every week involving the suffering and death of millions of animals that are subsequently stuffed into celophane and sold on supermarket shelves and no one is remotely bothered, and then you have all these suburbanites banging on about a couple of hundred foxes as if they were little babies about to be thrown into a shredder.

Its not the foxes you love, foxes are just vermin that have nice colouring. You have to cull them one way or another, what difference does it make whether its with dogs on horses or with poison or shotguns?

Its the nobs on the horses you hate, why don't you just have nob hunts and get rid of them, starting with Lizzy Windsor in Buck house.

What a barmy lot you really are. :wah: Your talking bollocks. :p

First of all, i probably know more 'nobs' than you've had hot dinners. I do not have a pathalogical hatred of some-one because he is a 'nob' as you call them. I do have a problem when the 'nob' behaves like a 'knob'.

Then you bring in the home-less. I am not responsible for the re-distribution of wealth in this country.

So what part of 'Fox hunting is ILLEGAL exactly, do you seem to have a problem comprehending?

I suspect that you have not bothered to read any posts especially mine. Had you of, you would have read that i said early on that most farmers will shoot a fox humanely if there is a problem in lambing etc, and i don't actually have a problem with that.

As for the 'animal holocaust' as you call it, there is a world of difference between animals being raised for the food chain and being killed humanely in abbatoirs than to tearing a defenceless animal to shreds to smear the blood over some Tossers face. And correct me if I'm wrong, i haven't seen an abbatoir worker smearing the blood of his kill across his mates face and then go and get pissed before, have you?

I have sabataged many a hunt (peacefully):yh_dance and i attend enough point to point meetings to know exactly why they fox hunt. Have you? Have you ever actually talked to a fox hunter? I suspect not.

Fox hunters are nothing more than frustrated 'wannabe' big time hunters probably with very small dicks. If they want to be a hunter, then why not p*ss off to America and try hunting Grisley bare fisted?

To return to the 'accident' now we are quite sure that he went to the gyrocopter looking for confrontation with the pilot. How do you know, if this man had not been hit by a blade, what he would have done to the pilot? As it sounds now..... he was looking for a fight.

What a crying shame that his wife and children have to deal with their loss because he acted like an idiot. They are the one's who have my utmost sympathy. They now have to live with his idiotic actions.

I will stress agin as you don't seem to be reading the posts. Weather you are pro or anti fox, an act was passed through Parliment that made it illegal. He was breaking the law and if the plods had arrested the idiot during the three days he was hunting, he would be here now. Fox hunters thrive on an under-manned police force that they know are incapable of enforcing the law. Live fox hunting was replaced by trails, but that's not fun is it? No cute furry animal to tear to shreds.

So galbally.... a car refuses to stop for a check point in Northern Ireland and the police shoot...... who's fault is it?

Some scroat decides he doesn't want to abide by the law and stick to 30 mph in a built up area, does 80 mph and wraps himself around a tree..... who's fault is it?

Don't insult me with this 'furry animal' crap. I'd no more see an armidillo torn to shreds for 'sport' than i would a fox.

Finally, perhaps you can answer the question i have asked repeatedly in this thread that no-one seems to have an answer for?

What about 60 police officers who some suffered serious injury such as broken arms and smashed teeth when PRO hunters stormed parliment square in 2004? As to me that shows precisely who the aggressors are.

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So did the guy walk into the blades or were they turned on him? All the bull about fox hunting is irellevent.

jpcme;1155767 wrote: So did the guy walk into the blades or were they turned on him? All the bull about fox hunting is irellevent. The gyrocopter was re-fueling. It was taxi-ing when he appraoched it.

The bull about fox hunting? What are your reasons for thinking that an illegal activity is bull? I'd be very interested to hear a more comprehensible explanation if you are capable of giving one.

jpcme;1155767 wrote: So did the guy walk into the blades or were they turned on him? All the bull about fox hunting is irellevent.


my point all along !!!!

getting ready to go out now but will be back to read properly and perhaps add a post or two.

oscar;1155771 wrote: The gyrocopter was re-fueling.

The bull about fox hunting? What are your reasons for thinking that an illegal activity is bull? I'd be very interested to hear a more comprehensible explanation if you are capable of giving one.


sorry oscar. it still hasnt been said that they were doing anything illegal !!

Helen;1155792 wrote:

my point all along !!!!

getting ready to go out now but will be back to read properly and perhaps add a post or two. The thought occurred to me based on the fact plod had made arrests. Unfortunately, it has been announced very recently that the gyrocopter was taxi-ing. In other words he approached the pilot when the blades were in motion.

I now want to see plod apologise profusely to the pilot and have the two men bring cahrges against the police for 'Malicious arrest' and 'false arrest'.

oscar;1155735 wrote: Your talking bollocks. :p

First of all, i probably know more 'nobs' than you've had hot dinners. I do not have a pathalogical hatred of some-one because he is a 'nob' as you call them. I do have a problem when the 'nob' behaves like a 'knob'.

Then you bring in the home-less. I am not responsible for the re-distribution of wealth in this country.

So what part of 'Fox hunting is ILLEGAL exactly, do you seem to have a problem comprehending?

I suspect that you have not bothered to read any posts especially mine. Had you of, you would have read that i said early on that most farmers will shoot a fox humanely if there is a problem in lambing etc, and i don't actually have a problem with that.

As for the 'animal holocaust' as you call it, there is a world of difference between animals being raised for the food chain and being killed humanely in abbatoirs than to tearing a defenceless animal to shreds to smear the blood over some Tossers face. And correct me if I'm wrong, i haven't seen an abbatoir worker smearing the blood of his kill across his mates face and then go and get pissed before, have you?

I have sabataged many a hunt (peacefully):yh_dance and i attend enough point to point meetings to know exactly why they fox hunt. Have you? Have you ever actually talked to a fox hunter? I suspect not.

Fox hunters are nothing more than frustrated 'wannabe' big time hunters probably with very small dicks. If they want to be a hunter, then why not p*ss off to America and try hunting Grisley bare fisted?

To return to the 'accident' now we are quite sure that he went to the gyrocopter looking for confrontation with the pilot. How do you know, if this man had not been hit by a blade, what he would have done to the pilot? As it sounds now..... he was looking for a fight.

What a crying shame that his wife and children have to deal with their loss because he acted like an idiot. They are the one's who have my utmost sympathy. They now have to live with his idiotic actions.

I will stress agin as you don't seem to be reading the posts. Weather you are pro or anti fox, an act was passed through Parliment that made it illegal. He was breaking the law and if the plods had arrested the idiot during the three days he was hunting, he would be here now. Fox hunters thrive on an under-manned police force that they know are incapable of enforcing the law. Live fox hunting was replaced by trails, but that's not fun is it? No cute furry animal to tear to shreds.

So galbally.... a car refuses to stop for a check point in Northern Ireland and the police shoot...... who's fault is it?

Some scroat decides he doesn't want to abide by the law and stick to 30 mph in a built up area, does 80 mph and wraps himself around a tree..... who's fault is it?

Don't insult me with this 'furry animal' crap. I'd no more see an armidillo torn to shreds for 'sport' than i would a fox.

Finally, perhaps you can answer the question i have asked repeatedly in this thread that no-one seems to have an answer for?

What about 60 police officers who some suffered serious injury such as broken arms and smashed teeth when PRO hunters stormed parliment square in 2004? As to me that shows precisely who the aggressors are.


1) my son in law worked in one and on the 3rd day walked out cos he couldnt stand it any longer and hes a dyed in the wool farmer used to culling animals.

2) the practise of bloodinuig died out many years ago

3) you obviously didnt see the news item on tv and the front page of the papaers of a policeman beating the wotsit out of a guy with his truncheon til he knocked him to the ground.

really got to go now !!

Helen;1155794 wrote: sorry oscar. it still hasnt been said that they were doing anything illegal !! The BBC have confirmed he was hunting for three days on the Warwickshire hunt. Fox hunting is illegal full stop. He was breaking the law. If he was not hunting illegally, the anti-hunt protesters would have had absolutely no reason to be 'buzzing' a group of men out for a country stroll. Logic alone tells anyone that but it is confirmed he was hunting. The family have since said 'ahh yes, but he was only holding the owl. oh please!

The apparent reason for the hunt reporting the 'buzzing' to aviation police was 'they were frightening the animals'. This is the part i have to laugh at for it's moronic hypocricy.

As i posted earlier, the events seem to be confirmed as:

He was with a hunt (illegal hunt)

A protester 'buzzed' the hunt in a copter.

They reported ot to aviation police who took no action'

A few hours after the hunt had finished, the man travelled to the airfield to confront the pilot.

Helen;1155797 wrote: 1) my son in law worked in one and on the 3rd day walked out cos he couldnt stand it any longer and hes a dyed in the wool farmer used to culling animals.

2) the practise of bloodinuig died out many years ago

3) you obviously didnt see the news item on tv and the front page of the papaers of a policeman beating the wotsit out of a guy with his truncheon til he knocked him to the ground.

really got to go now !! I ask again and again......... What about the 60 seriously injured officers when por hunters stormed Parliment Square?

We all seem to want to dust that one under the carpet.

oscar;1155798 wrote: The BBC have confirmed he was hunting for three days on the Warwickshire hunt. Fox hunting is illegal full stop. He was breaking the law. If he was not hunting illegally, the anti-hunt protesters would have had absolutely no reason to be 'buzzing' a group of men out for a country stroll. Logic alone tells anyone that but it is confirmed he was hunting. The family have since said 'ahh yes, but he was only holding the owl. oh please!

The apparent reason for the hunt reporting the 'buzzing' to aviation police was 'they were frightening the animals'. This is the part i have to laugh at for it's moronic hypocricy.

As i posted earlier, the events seem to be confirmed as:

He was with a hunt (illegal hunt)

A protester 'buzzed' the hunt in a copter.

They reported ot to aviation police who took no action'

A few hours after the hunt had finished, the man travelled to the airfield to confront the pilot.


but they do continue to do it. i doubt theres a hunt meet that takes place anywhere in this country that hasnt got its fair share of antis waiting to pounce on the slightest item they can use to have another pop at them.

oscar;1155735 wrote: Your talking bollocks. :p

First of all, i probably know more 'nobs' than you've had hot dinners. I do not have a pathalogical hatred of some-one because he is a 'nob' as you call them. I do have a problem when the 'nob' behaves like a 'knob'. Then you bring in the home-less. I am not responsible for the re-distribution of wealth in this country.

So what part of 'Fox hunting is ILLEGAL exactly, do you seem to have a problem comprehending? I suspect that you have not bothered to read any posts especially mine. Had you of, you would have read that i said early on that most farmers will shoot a fox humanely if there is a problem in lambing etc, and i don't actually have a problem with that. As for the 'animal holocaust' as you call it, there is a world of difference between animals being raised for the food chain and being killed humanely in abbatoirs than to tearing a defenceless animal to shreds to smear the blood over some Tossers face. And correct me if I'm wrong, i haven't seen an abbatoir worker smearing the blood of his kill across his mates face and then go and get pissed before, have you? I have sabataged many a hunt (peacefully):yh_dance and i attend enough point to point meetings to know exactly why they fox hunt. Have you? Have you ever actually talked to a fox hunter? I suspect not. Fox hunters are nothing more than frustrated 'wannabe' big time hunters probably with very small dicks. If they want to be a hunter, then why not p*ss off to America and try hunting Grisley bare fisted?



So galbally.... a car refuses to stop for a check point in Northern Ireland and the police shoot...... who's fault is it? Some scroat decides he doesn't want to abide by the law and stick to 30 mph in a built up area, does 80 mph and wraps himself around a tree..... who's fault is it? Don't insult me with this 'furry animal' crap. I'd no more see an armidillo torn to shreds for 'sport' than i would a fox. Finally, perhaps you can answer the question i have asked repeatedly in this thread that no-one seems to have an answer for? What about 60 police officers who some suffered serious injury such as broken arms and smashed teeth when PRO hunters stormed parliment square in 2004? As to me that shows precisely who the aggressors are.


Firstly hunting is illegal because New Labour made it illegal precisely to stick it to the knobs, fair enough, but don't give me the animal welfare crap, its nonsense.

Secondly there is no difference to the animal how its killed, its still dead, battery chickens do not lead "humane" lives by any stretch of the imagination, neither do mass farmed pigs, or other pen-raised animals, but these are animals so I am not sure whether the concept of being humane is one they understand. However, most animals prefer to live in the wild apparently as do the foxes that get chased for the last couple of hours of their otherwise free existence and killed, as animals tend to get killed, by being torn up by other animals.

I really do not understand what people object to fox hunting, foxes get killed, yes, so what? Seriously, so what? It's just a god damn fox. Are you trying to equate shooting a 16 year old human joyrider at an army checkpoint with chasing a fox? Do people seem like animals to you that can be shot at will if they break some fairly minor law, yet foxes deserve the full protection of the state and all its resources? An interesting take on ethics.

The people who do the hunting revel in the kill and are a little bit kitsch and highly questionable in what they enjoy, but so what? Foxes are not endangered animals, far from it, they are predators themselves and they are quite capable of killing for sport, they also breed like bejaysus, because they have no natural predators other than dogs and foxhunters, there used to be wolves and bears but we already killed all them, in our relentless destruction of our own habitat.

Why should it be illegal to sustainably hunt them dressed up in a red coat with a bugle? Give me one good reason other than you object because you think its distasteful, your problem is that these people enjoy hunting, and you can't understand that because you have an urban mentality, and you've never reared or hunted your own food, you like someone else to do that for you.

I mean I am not into hunting, I find it a bit ludicrous, but I wouldn't stop them, as long as its done properly, and they don't hunt these things to extinction, which is highly unlikely seeing as how they go about it. Also, its based on an ages old tradition, and why not keep it going, its an interesting tradition based on an now gone rural past, where people lived with the land, not on it.

So give me another reason? You can't because there isn't one. Its simply class warfare, and all this fuzzy animal crap. The problem most wildlife in England has is not foxhunters, its the encroach of suburbia and its associated roads, housing, concrete, pollution, waste, cats, dogs, introduced species, and more and more people with more and more people rubbish, everywhere.

Helen;1155804 wrote: but they do continue to do it. i doubt theres a hunt meet that takes place anywhere in this country that hasnt got its fair share of antis waiting to pounce on the slightest item they can use to have another pop at them. I agree with you Helen but there are two points here.

1) Hunting is a personal choice. If your saying that any-one has the right to hunt, then you must equally agree that any-one has the right to protest. This is a free democratic country and pro-hunt and anti-hunt is down to personal choice.

2) Fox hunting is an illegal act. If the police force was not as inadequetely funded and manned, the necessary officers would be on duty and would arrest every single one of them. If that were the case, there would be absolutely no need for the anti brigade to have to in effect, do the policing for them. I will always be involved in the anti-brigade but many of us continue to lobby for better policing so these incidents do not happen.

Now, about those 60 seriously injured police officers by pro hunting extremists that stormed Parliment Square? What about those officers and their families?

Galbally;1155711 wrote: You have a city called London where tens of thousands of people sleep rough every night and no one gives a crapPoint of information here. Around three hundred. Around half of the national total for England and Wales.

"London continues to have the biggest rough sleeping problem with between 250 and 300 individuals sleeping out on any night and almost 3,000 over a year."

Thames Reach: homelessness charity helping homeless and vulnerable people in London

Galbally;1155811 wrote: Firstly hunting is illegal because New Labour made it illegal precisely to stick it to the knobs, fair enough, but don't give me the animal welfare crap, its nonsense.

Secondly there is no difference to the animal how its killed, its still dead, battery chickens do not lead "humane" lives by any stretch of the imagination, neither do mass farmed pigs, or other pen-raised animals, but these are animals so I am not sure whether the concept of being humane is one they understand. However, most animals prefer to live in the wild apparently as do the foxes that get chased for the last couple of hours of their otherwise free existence and killed, as animals tend to get killed, by being torn up by other animals.

I really do not understand what people object to fox hunting, foxes get killed, yes, so what? Seriously, so what? It's just a god damn fox. Are you trying to equate shooting a 16 year old human joyrider at an army checkpoint with chasing a fox? Do people seem like animals to you that can be shot at will if they break some fairly minor law, yet foxes deserve the full protection of the state and all its resources? An interesting take on ethics.

The people who do the hunting revel in the kill and are a little bit kitsch and highly questionable in what they enjoy, but so what? Foxes are not endangered animals, far from it, they are predators themselves and they are quite capable of killing for sport, they also breed like bejaysus, because they have no natural predators other than dogs and foxhunters, there used to be wolves and bears but we already killed all them, in our relentless destruction of our own habitat.

Why should it be illegal to sustainably hunt them dressed up in a red coat with a bugle? Give me one good reason other than you object because you think its distasteful, your problem is that these people enjoy hunting, and you can't understand that because you have an urban mentality, and you've never reared or hunted your own food, you like someone else to do that for you.

I mean I am not into hunting, I find it a bit ludicrous, but I wouldn't stop them, as long as its done properly, and they don't hunt these things to extinction, which is highly unlikely seeing as how they go about it. Also, its based on an ages old tradition, and why not keep it going, its an interesting tradition based on an now gone rural past, where people lived with the land, not on it.

So give me another reason? You can't because there isn't one. Its simply class warfare, and all this fuzzy animal crap. The problem most wildlife in England has is not foxhunters, its the encroach of suburbia and its associated roads, housing, concrete, pollution, waste, cats, dogs, introduced species, and more and more people with more and more people rubbish, everywhere.


Here we go again galbally..... putting your own 'spin' on what has been said. First of all by claiming 'new Labour' blah blah blah tells me you have not the slightest comprehension into how big an issue this has been throughout the history of England. For gods sake, i've even quoted Oscar Wilde in a previous post. You have to put it down to noooooooooooooooooo Labour don't you? Were you actually involved in the act to abolish fox hunting? As if you were not, as i was, i suggest you are merely viewing the skin on the surface as another attempt to be critical of new Labour.

How many times do i have to repeat myself? If a farmer shoots foxes humanely because they are a threat during lambing, then i have absolutely no problem with that. If a maurading rabid fox in a leather jacket came on to my property and was going to kill my children...... I'd bloody shoot it. Next the press will be claiming that feral gangs of 6 foot high foxes wearing hoods and carrying flick knives are stalking the countryside ready to stick one in the gizzards of any passing farmer and mug him for his combine harvester.

My Urban mentallity? How the flying feck do you know what my mentallity is? Unless you've been checking out where i grew up as gmc the sporran has, you have no idea of how i grew up. For the record, my uncle after being liberated from a Jap POW camp was one of the biggest farmers in Cheshire.

Foxes encroaching on surburbia?? Oh please. I'll remember that at the next meeting over the proposed build of another 12,000 houses on greenbelt a mile down the road from me. No wonder the fecking foxes are forming an orderly queue outside my house at night.

spot;1155819 wrote: Point of information here. Around three hundred. Around half of the national total for England and Wales.

"London continues to have the biggest rough sleeping problem with between 250 and 300 individuals sleeping out on any night and almost 3,000 over a year."

Thames Reach: homelessness charity helping homeless and vulnerable people in London Not exactly the 'tens of thousands' claimed by galbally :wah: But then Irish men did always brag about their equipment.





I shall be retiring momentarilly from the debate.

1) I am watching the ditgitally enhanced film 'Goodfellows' on my new surround system which by the way galbally is about mafiosa sticking it in the gizzards of various members. Got a problem with that?

2) i have to prepare the nightly feed for my cute fluffy wuffy soooooooooo sweeeeeeeeeet little cuddly foxey woxeys :rolleyes::rolleyes:

On tonights menu is 16 chicken quarters, 16 fresh eggs, a carrier bag of left over kebab meat from 'Phill the Greeks' kebab shop, some sausages that have been hanging around the fridge, and several jam sandwiches as those cute fluffy wuffy foxey woxeys have a sweet tooth. bless :-4:-4:-4

Get over it galbally.

spot;1155819 wrote: Point of information here. Around three hundred. Around half of the national total for England and Wales.

"London continues to have the biggest rough sleeping problem with between 250 and 300 individuals sleeping out on any night and almost 3,000 over a year."

Thames Reach: homelessness charity helping homeless and vulnerable people in London


Your point of order is accepted sir, though it seems a ludicrously small figure, I would imagine that there are not much less than 300 in Dublin, though of that figure you'd have a lot in shelters, specially in the winter. Anyway, you get my point.