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Our Ignorance is no Accident

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:46 pm
by coberst
Our Ignorance is no Accident

One technique used to maintain the slave economy in the Antebellum South was to outlaw any form of behavior that allowed the slave to become learned. It was necessary that the slave not only be illiterate but that s/he be isolated as much as possible from the world around them; if they knew little of the outside world they were more easily confined, constrained, and controlled.

Ignorance in the free white community and the black slave community in Antebellum South was no accident. I suspect the depth of ignorance within the American population today is, likewise, no accident.

Potlatch was a common characteristic of primitive cultural practice and ritual. Potlatch ceremonies were a common practice in the winter months because the summer months were busy times for gathering wealth for the family and community.

Quickie from wiki:

“Sponsors of a potlatch give away many useful items such as food, blankets, worked ornamental mediums of exchange called "coppers", and many other various items. In return, they earned prestige. To give a potlatch enhanced one’s reputation and validated social rank, the rank and requisite potlatch being proportional, both for the host and for the recipients by the gifts exchanged. Prestige increased with the lavishness of the potlatch, the value of the goods given away in it¦The status of any given family is raised not by who has the most resources, but by who distributes the most resources. The hosts demonstrate their wealth and prominence through giving away goods.

In primitive communities social life was a continuous dialogue of gift giving and reciprocation. When there was food there was food for all when there was scarcity all shared in this scarcity. The successful hunter kept the least desirable parts of the kill for himself and gave the most desirable to the community. “This was the core truth in the myth of primitive communism.

Primitive man was judged not by the magnitude of his accumulated wealth but by the magnitude of his shared wealth.

Present day economic theories are of a self-regulating system of markets. Such a social theory did not come from history. We are taught that this practice of private property and gain are the natural order of human social evolution; such is not the case. “Gain and profit made in exchange never before played an important part in human economy.

Adam Smith theorized that the division of labor results from man’s “propensity to barter, truck, and exchange one thing for another¦This phrase was later to yield the concept of the Economic Man. This observation represents a misreading of the past and a great fallacy that has led us into today’s culture of human social behavior becoming dominated by economic ideology.

We must discard some 19th century prejudices underlying the hypothesis of primitive man’s predilection for gainful employment. The bias that caused Smith and his generation to incorrectly view primitive man induced succeeding generations to lose interest in early man.

“The tradition of the classical economics, who attempted to base the law of the market on the alleged propensities of man in the state of nature, was replaced by an abandonment of all interest in the cultures of “uncivilized man as irrelevant to an understanding of the problems of our age.

Anthropologists inform us today that there has been a remarkable sameness for all societies throughout earlier history and that sameness is “that man’s economy, as a rule, is submerged in his social relationships. He does not act so as to safeguard his individual interest in the possession of material goods; he acts so as to safeguard his social standing, his social assets¦the economic system will be run on noneconomic motives¦All social obligations are reciprocal.

Our present economic system of acquisition with little or no regard for the rest of society is not our naturally evolved culture. This is a totally artificial system that we have been raised to recognize as a natural phenomenon. Our ignorance of many things is maintained by those who manage to control social policy and especially our educational systems.

We are maintained in a semi sophisticated state of ignorance in order to prevent us from critically evaluating our institutions and changing them in a manner that is less alienating to our nature.

Quotes from “The Great Transformation: The Political and Economic Origins of Our Time by Karl Polanyi

Our Ignorance is no Accident

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:28 pm
by OpenMind
I would refute a part of your statement. Those who become wealthy, or at least do well, are those who offer the services or commodities that the people want or need.Hence, the concept of serving the community is still alive and well. With the inclusion of a common currency in the economy, those who receive the services can pay their dues.

Our Ignorance is no Accident

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:23 pm
by BTS
OpenMind;1052058 wrote: I would refute a part of your statement. Those who become wealthy, or at least do well, are those who offer the services or commodities that the people want or need.Hence, the concept of serving the community is still alive and well. With the inclusion of a common currency in the economy, those who receive the services can pay their dues.


I agree 100% OpenMind. Taking it a step farther, Coberst, I would bet has never had a small business.

I have and I know the feeling I got EVERY time I handed my men their checks.

Let me explain that feeling and see if it isn't what he says we lost.



In order for the checks I handed out to be backed I had to make sure that there was money in my account.

Potlatch sounds like a simple concept, right. I think it is the same concept as today, in that if you wanted to give a lots of things away you had to acquire a lots of things back then. What's changed?

And when I handed those checks out, I got a lump in my throat because I was GIVING to them and they gave too me.

Sheeeesh it might even be better today than back in the GOOD ol Potlatch days............. Both people are giving....HMMM

Our Ignorance is no Accident

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:05 am
by coberst
CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner. Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise. CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior. I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies.

A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions. The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens. The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen. The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters. Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections.

Policy makers customize and maintain the dominant ideology in order to control the political behavior of the citizens. This dominant ideology exercises the political control of the citizens in the same fashion as the consuming citizen is controlled by the same dominant ideology.

An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions. An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen. Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen. If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost. This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.



“Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives. they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance Investment, Mass Media, Law, Education Foundation, Civic and Cultural Organizations, Government, and the Military.

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Our Ignorance is no Accident

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:53 am
by OpenMind
It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? I won't deny corruption exists, it's a part of human nature. Everyone tends to try and bend the wind in their favour.

Just the same, we have a lot more choices now than we did even just a few centuries ago.

This essential structure of the rulers and the ruled has existed for as long as we can see back in time and it is clear that corruption has always existed. But corporations also give the masses further opportunities to better themselves.

We should not confuse ourselves with the terms policy makers, and decision makers. They are citizens as well, albeit, citizens with responsibilities over other citizens. Not all citizens want to be policy makers and decision makers. The effects of the policy and decision makers will effect the citizens in general but there is more corruption at the bottom end that at the top.

Politics within a corporate structure can have a more direct effect on the workers. A departmental manager may favour one employee over another although both are equal.

Be wary of corruption paranoia. We have a lot more now than we did in the past.

Capitalism may be considered to be corrupt because it depends on a section of the labour force being out of work. Russian Communism didn't depend on an unemployed sector, but it failed because it centralised power and the structure was too slow to react to changing conditions. Chinese communism appears to be working, but there is no doubt that the leaders exert a great deal of control over their citizens.

Corruption is inherent in human nature. What we have to look out for is abuse.