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In light of the International acclaim heaped on Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, i'd find it interesting to hear view's from America and other countrie's as to weather you would vote this man as President.

Britain will be having their own General Election in approx a year and already, Gordon Brown's bitter opponents are beggining the race for No 10 Downing Street with a pathetic tirade on our leader this morning. Something Brown called 'Juvinile politics' today in the Mail.

As The Washington Post hands Gordon Brown his own platform this week, i'd like to hear your view's in order to get a slant on how our own people may be looking to vote next year.????

oscar;1025463 wrote: In light of the International acclaim heaped on Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, i'd find it interesting to hear view's from America and other countrie's as to weather you would vote this man as President.

Britain will be having their own General Election in approx a year and already, Gordon Brown's bitter opponents are beggining the race for No 10 Downing Street with a pathetic tirade on our leader this morning. Something Brown called 'Juvinile politics' today in the Mail.

As The Washington Post hands Gordon Brown his own platform this week, i'd like to hear your view's in order to get a slant on how our own people may be looking to vote next year.????


if they had any sence they would have shot him.....lmo

The perception we get of leaders from other countries is only one of there foreign policies, so domestically we dont know what they are like that much. Even then, I cant say I know much about old Gordon, except I wouldnt vote for him as President here, because we are not a republic yet :-5

el guapo;1025552 wrote: if they had any sence they would have shot him.....lmo


Well, in your humble opinion, would you like to elaborate more?

all i know since labour came to power my wallets gettin thiner year on year

el guapo;1025563 wrote: all i know since labour came to power my wallets gettin thiner year on year


No, that just means your wallet's worn over the years. You need a new one. :wah:

I lived under a Thatcher Government, believe me, that bankrupted the country. If you read today's Daily Mail, there is a double page spread on how Labour are still mopping up her mess.

the iron lady

god bless maggie

el guapo;1025665 wrote: the iron lady

god bless maggie


Are you havin a giraffe mate?

Let me just remind you of a little oversight here that cost the taxpayers millions?

(we're still paying the debt)

The Falkland Islands ..... War..... Capital Port Stanley....Population 10 people....... 60,000 sheep :wah::wah:

oscar;1025678 wrote: Are you havin a giraffe mate?

Let me just remind you of a little oversight here that cost the taxpayers millions?

(we're still paying the debt)

The Falkland Islands ..... War..... Capital Port Stanley....Population 10 people....... 60,000 sheep :wah::wah:


doesnt matter if only one lived there we protect whats ours

el guapo;1025681 wrote: doesnt matter if only one lived there we protect whats ours


Save your breath guapo:



Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar

Of course we side- step his point. We're British, we've been side-stepping people's points fore centurie's and we will jolly well carry on side-stepping people's points thank you very much.

BTS;1025709 wrote: Save your breath guapo:



Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar

Of course we side- step his point. We're British, we've been side-stepping people's points fore centurie's and we will jolly well carry on side-stepping people's points thank you very much.




Look here you young whipper snapper. Don't you go cutting and pasting my posts from other threads on to here young man.

Especially when the said post was written purely to wind you up, Mr Bacon, Tomatoe and Side salad.

Anyway, if us British want to side step points, well then we will.

Oh my god, i just so can't believe you just said that. :wah:

el guapo;1025681 wrote: doesnt matter if only one lived there we protect whats ours


So, 10 sheep shearers in The falkland Islands, which the last time i looked was called, 'Malvenus' on account of it actually belonging to Argentina. The clue is in the fact that Malvenus is off the Argentinian coast in South America.

Thousands of our Navy and Armies troops slaughtered for a useless lump of rock that is virtually inhabitable and produces nothing of export.

I don't know if your aware, but when we 'Invaded', the Argentinians didn't use their elite army as we did. They actually conscripted 15 year old boys to do it for them and our boys had to blow their brains out.

The reason that Falkland troops suffer more post war trauma than any other post WW11 war, is simply because of that.

Now, tell me that it was worth fighting for?

oscar;1025463 wrote: In light of the International acclaim heaped on Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, i'd find it interesting to hear view's from America and other countrie's as to weather you would vote this man as President.

Britain will be having their own General Election in approx a year and already, Gordon Brown's bitter opponents are beggining the race for No 10 Downing Street with a pathetic tirade on our leader this morning. Something Brown called 'Juvinile politics' today in the Mail.

As The Washington Post hands Gordon Brown his own platform this week, i'd like to hear your view's in order to get a slant on how our own people may be looking to vote next year.????


We will take him!!! How soon can you send him over?

wildhorses;1026186 wrote: We will take him!!! How soon can you send him over?


We'll share him. Great to hear some support for him.

He's coming to Washington any day to talk about a new Internation banking Regulating committee, he's thought up. I think it'll work. If it go's through, it'll mean any changes will need the approval of all countrie's. Maverick's like Bush just wouldn't be able to set his own rules, he'd be outnumbered by Europe. It's a fair agreement that would benifit the whole West.

Whatch out for him in Washington this week.



I have to go to bed to get up early as it's now the middle of the night here.

Talk tomorrow............ Goodnight, wildhorses. :-6

oscar;1025734 wrote: Look here you young whipper snapper. Don't you go cutting and pasting my posts from other threads on to here young man.

Especially when the said post was written purely to wind you up, Mr Bacon, Tomato and Side salad.
:yh_rotfl HILARIOUS! That really made me laugh. :yh_rotfl

oscar;1025642 wrote: I lived under a Thatcher Government, believe me, that bankrupted the country. If you read today's Daily Mail, there is a double page spread on how Labour are still mopping up her mess.


I really like what you have to say Oscar! I totally agree with you.

I believe in Gordon Brown's scottish canniness. No, things aren't great but he hasn't been in office long enough to make a real difference yet. (Thats Gordon NOT Labour.) I lay the current Housing Crisis solely at Maggie's door along with all the other problems she caused through Privatisation. David Cameron looks and sounds like a Maggie-Mini-Me and will never get my vote and hopefully never get into power. I too lived under a Thatcherite Government - never again! :yh_pray

el guapo;1025681 wrote: doesnt matter if only one lived there we protect whats ours


*sigh* Do you believe that all that death/ dismemberment/ burns and horror would really have been worth it for just one person??

You sound very young, el guapo.

Rapunzel;1026384 wrote: :yh_rotfl HILARIOUS! That really made me laugh. :yh_rotfl



I really like what you have to say Oscar! I totally agree with you.

I believe in Gordon Brown's scottish canniness. No, things aren't great but he hasn't been in office long enough to make a real difference yet. (Thats Gordon NOT Labour.) I lay the current Housing Crisis solely at Maggie's door along with all the other problems she caused through Privatisation. David Cameron looks and sounds like a Maggie-Mini-Me and will never get my vote and hopefully never get into power. I too lived under a Thatcherite Government - never again! :yh_pray


David Cameron is certainly spouting the politics of the Thatcer Regime right now. His trirade on Brown in yesterday's Daily Mail was pathetic -- and only what i'd expect from A Tory desperately trying to score points for Election time.

I have banged on long and hard about Gordon Brown in other threads. You are quite right That it's Gordon and NOT labour. Brown's critics connect him with every thing bad of the Labour Government in the past eight years.

Critics of Brown convieniently forget the war between Blair and Brown when Brown was Under Blair as number two. It's very easy to say right now, well Brown got us into this mess. Well, no actually, he didn't. Only one person got us into this mess and that was the tyrannical ego manic -- Blair. If you compare EU statistics, Brown borrowed far less money in the past ten years than any other EU country. His critics simply choose to over look the figures.

In cabinet rancour was going on many years before the cabinet forced Blair to stand down. It happened because even old supporters of Blair knew that Brown needed to take the reins if there was hope of saving the next election.

Critics will also say, well, Brown was in charge of the money for ten years, but we have to remember, it was UNDER Blair and Brown did not have free rein. It has also been widely reported for years that Blair has deliberately suppressed Brown.

It has been widely reported for years that Brown was a threat to Blair. Blair did dare not sack him from the cabinet for fear of rebellion. He knew, however, Brown was hanging in there to take his job. Eventually, Brown's supporters forced Blair out.

That comes back to what you have quite rightly said. Brown has been PM for only a year. Frankly, if this is what he can achieve in such a short time, i am left in awe.

We have been crying out for some-one of his calibre for years, so has the world.

In one year we have seen Gordon Brown bankrupt a country over night using anti-terrorism crimes as a threat to UK economy. Iceland were threatening to deal with Russia. I am in no doubt, if this was Blair, he would have folded under the threat. Brown rode the threat and now Iceland are begging Brown for a solution to repay British Investors. We have also seen Brown sack the Banking cheifs, Directors and penalise Share-holders , something that the US sadly doesn't have the balls to do right now. Brown has created a blue-print that 15 other EU countrie's are using with others to follow. Last wednesday, we saw Brown take time of from the EU summit and threaten our fuel pumps with legal action and enquiry's should they not slash fuel prices over night. Given his actions over the past year, i did not see any argument, i got up in the morning to find prices slashed. After nationalising the banks, this country is already on the up. We have seen fuel slashed and the cost of food is now declining sharply with rival supermarkets out to under-cut each other.

Gordon Brown has won World acclaim for his blue-print saving global economic's, not backing down to any-one including Bush and having the courage of his convictions to drive this country forward. If he was talking balls, every other European country would not be queuing up to follow his package and hear him speak.

I can not understand any British man or woman living so much in the past that for once, they can not be actually proud that they have a PM that is admired and revered by the whole world. He has done more for this country in one year than any government has since the war.

The entire countrie's problems will not be solved over night. He has been in a year and the global economic crisis has over shadowed home policie's for most of that year.

We can not hold him accountable for the mess Blair got us into. It's a little like saying, don't vote McCain because he is exactly the same as Bush.

We also have to remember that where critics will blame Labour for Brussels intervention, It was actually Ted Heath, Thatchers Croney who took us into Europe in the first place.

Some of our other FG garden members are either too young to realise these facts or simply, they don't educate themselves by reading enough about their country.

It is fair to offer crititsism, if you are in possession of fact, not let's bash Brown.

Thatcher robbed this country blind as well did her cronie's. If Cameron gets in, he will take us back to those days within a few years. He simply does not compare in policy, home and abroad, nor have Brown's backbone, although that can be attributed to being Scottish.

We sould be revelling in the world acclaim Gordon Brown has achieved. For the first time in many years we can actually hold our heads up and say "Yep, he's ours---Deal with it." Marvellous stuff. :-6:-6:-6

Gordon Brown said this week, Quote "They will pay for this". He is talking about the banking chiefs who have 'stolen' from this country under Blair. Brown has even gone as far to say, he will use legal action against the Cheifs if neccessary. Considering what he did to Iceland, i don't think that is any idle threat do you??

Rapunzel;1026385 wrote: *sigh* Do you believe that all that death/ dismemberment/ burns and horror would really have been worth it for just one person??

You sound very young, el guapo.


to protect one innocent person yes it was worth it

young at heart maybe

Falklands: Was it worth it?

Thu Jun 14 2007

Simon Weston, Falklands

For Simon Weston who was in hospital for five years and had 80 operations, it is easy to wonder whether the Falklands War was worth it.

While he can at least appreciate that he's alive, more than 250 other British soldiers weren't so lucky.

While he can at least appreciate that he's alive, more than 250 other British soldiers weren't so luckyThe scars he received from the war are obvious,

But for Simon, returning to the islands, he sees that the islands are free. Such a sight enables him to say, "it was right and the lives lost were not lives wasted."

.

el guapo;1027116 wrote: to protect one innocent person yes it was worth it

young at heart maybe


So you would send your finest army and navy to protect one person, when to save the life of that one person, all they had to do was get on a plane back to England?

The whole Falklands war was not about saving lives. There was no other reason for going to a useless lump of rock that Britain had hung onto after losing the Empire, other than Thatcher bully boy tyrranical power.

At least there is a reason for being in Iraq. We have to protect oil reserve's without the Middle East holding us to ransom over it.

To go to war for a lump of rock off the South American coast when it produces nothing for export and is no threat to UK security or economy, is nothing short of

Criminal.

Do you see Gordon Brown jumping up and down because the Argentinian's are still claiming it's their's......No.

The Falklands war left us with a legacy of National debt and depletion of our Forces. God forbid, do you not realise that the war left this country wide open to Invasion? If we were in difficult times with, say, Germany again, they could quite happily hopped over the channel while our finest were fighting in the Falklands. Thatcher's decision could have cost this country a crisis of threat to National UK security.

I suggest you google some more???

oscar;1027134 wrote: So you would send your finest army and navy to protect one person, when to save the life of that one person, all they had to do was get on a plane back to England?

The whole Falklands war was not about saving lives. There was no other reason for going to a useless lump of rock that Britain had hung onto after losing the Empire, other than Thatcher bully boy tyrranical power.

At least there is a reason for being in Iraq. We have to protect oil reserve's without the Middle East holding us to ransom over it.

To go to war for a lump of rock off the South American coast when it produces nothing for export and is no threat to UK security or economy, is nothing short of

Criminal.

Do you see Gordon Brown jumping up and down because the Argentinian's are still claiming it's their's......No.

The Falklands war left us with a legacy of National debt and depletion of our Forces. God forbid, do you not realise that the war left this country wide open to Invasion? If we were in difficult times with, say, Germany again, they could quite happily hopped over the channel while our finest were fighting in the Falklands. Thatcher's decision could have cost this country a crisis of threat to National UK security.

I suggest you google some more???


no i think i let you do that

and back to the topic the british didnt even vote for brown he slipped in though the back door

el guapo;1027135 wrote: no i think i let you do that


My facts do not come from google my little whipper snapper.

I was born in a time when we did not have the easy option of google. We had them old fashioned things called books. That and a damn good memory for knowledge and an interest in what was actually going on in our Government.

I met Simon Weston twice, the last time very recently when he visited our Local Royal British legion.

There is a world of difference between what the gutter press say, Weston has said... and what he really feels about the war.

The Fleet Street hacks have political views as well. they will use any 'victem' to sell their polotics. To mis-quote is very easy and legal for the gutter press, as i have had personal experience from.

oscar;1027145 wrote: My facts do not come from google my little whipper snapper.

I was born in a time when we did not have the easy option of google. We had them old fashioned things called books. That and a damn good memory for knowledge and an interest in what was actually going on in our Government.

I met Simon Weston twice, the last time very recently when he visited our Local Royal British legion.

There is a world of difference between what the gutter press say, Weston has said... and what he really feels about the war.

The Fleet Street hacks have political views as well. they will use any 'victem' to sell their polotics. To mis-quote is very easy and legal for the gutter press, as i have had personal experience from.


so book are always right and the press as you call them gutter press are wrong

intresting veiw

el guapo;1027140 wrote: and back to the topic the british didnt even vote for brown he slipped in though the back door


The 'Back door' you so mis-imformly speak of, was five years of in-house Cabinet Rancour where even Blair staunch supporters felt the need to oust Blair in order for Gordon Brown to take the reins. Had they not of done so, we'd still be in deep Shyte.

If you seriously believe that because it was Cabinet that voted him in-- how many recent polls have you seen??

You know Polls??? I'm not talking about the Eastern European population. I'm talking about those things where the population of this country gets a say in to who they WILL be voting for in the next election. Check them out. It may surprise you just as to how this country WILL be voting in the Election.

oscar;1027159 wrote: The 'Back door' you so mis-imformly speak of, was five years of in-house Cabinet Rancour where even Blair staunch supporters felt the need to oust Blair in order for Gordon Brown to take the reins. Had they not of done so, we'd still be in deep Shyte.

If you seriously believe that because it was Cabinet that voted him in-- how many recent polls have you seen??

You know Polls??? I'm not talking about the Eastern European population. I'm talking about those things where the population of this country gets a say in to who they WILL be voting for in the next election. Check them out. It may surprise you just as to how this country WILL be voting in the Election.


the fact is the british people did not vote him into the job

el guapo;1027151 wrote: so book are always right and the press as you call them gutter press are wrong

intresting veiw


As Spot will confirm, i have Unfortunately been reported on myself in the Gutter Press although i have to say The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express were always in my favour, but i'm not the issue here. I am talking of gutter press because unlike many, i have had my 15 minutes of fame, alot longer than that infact, and it's not as pleasent as some may imagine.

When i compared Simon Weston being laughably Quoted by politically driven hacks in Fleet Street, you did not take in what i said. I have met Simon Weston twice. I have chatted with him re: the Falklands. Is his word of mouth less credible that the gutter press???

el guapo;1027161 wrote: the fact is the british people did not vote him into the job


You know, i actually feel sorry for you. You must live in some twilight world.

You are as entitled to an Opinion of Brown as much as anyone. However, the fact that you are British and your not proud of a British leader winning world acclaim, actually disturbs me.



I shall return shortly, the House of Commons has broken for tea.

oscar;1027166 wrote: As Spot will confirm, i have Unfortunately been reported on myself in the Gutter Press although i have to say The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express were always in my favour, but i'm not the issue here. I am talking of gutter press because unlike many, i have had my 15 minutes of fame, alot longer than that infact, and it's not as pleasent as some may imagine.

When i compared Simon Weston being laughably Quoted by politically driven hacks in Fleet Street, you did not take in what i said. I have met Simon Weston twice. I have chatted with him re: the Falklands. Is his word of mouth less credible that the gutter press???


his own word are very credible but most of us only have the benerfit of the press



with this i must wish you good night god bless sleep well chat again soon

el guapo;1027172 wrote: his own word are very credible but most of us only have the benerfit of the press



with this i must wish you good night god bless sleep well chat again soon


I see you, retreat in defeat more like. :wah::wah::wah:

el guapo;1027128 wrote: Falklands: Was it worth it?

Thu Jun 14 2007

Simon Weston, Falklands

For Simon Weston who was in hospital for five years and had 80 operations, it is easy to wonder whether the Falklands War was worth it.

While he can at least appreciate that he's alive, more than 250 other British soldiers weren't so lucky.

While he can at least appreciate that he's alive, more than 250 other British soldiers weren't so luckyThe scars he received from the war are obvious,

But for Simon, returning to the islands, he sees that the islands are free. Such a sight enables him to say, "it was right and the lives lost were not lives wasted."

.


Even other thirty years ago, this link i have added will show you what Thatcher did to this country. She crushed British Enterprise.

Only Spot will understand what this link refers to. Your too young.

The quality of the link is poor due to the age.

It's a track from an album made in the seventie's called "The Euroman Cometh". It was a solo project by my old buddie, Jean jacques Burnel, the most infamous and feared member of British punk rock band, The Stranglers.

The words were distorted in the song due to being too antagonistic to the Thatcher Regime in it's day. The message is not lost. It was prolific for it's day.

The 'whore' Burnel refers to, is Thatcher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTS

Save your breath guapo:

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar

Of course we side- step his point. We're British, we've been side-stepping people's points fore centurie's and we will jolly well carry on side-stepping people's points thank you very much.







oscar;1025734 wrote: Look here you young whipper snapper. Don't you go cutting and pasting my posts from other threads on to here young man.

Especially when the said post was written purely to wind you up, Mr Bacon, Tomatoe and Side salad.



Anyway, if us British want to side step points, well then we will.



Oh my god, i just so can't believe you just said that.


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



I will tell all my 9 grandchildren that their papa is a young whipper snapper... (blush)



Talk about being wound up........

You seem to be the only wound up time bomb here!



What's the matter, seeing your other assinine posts make you look silly and you just can't handle...EH?

Oh my god, i just so can't believe I just said that.:driving:

BTS;1027625 wrote: Quote:

Originally Posted by BTS

Save your breath guapo:

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar

Of course we side- step his point. We're British, we've been side-stepping people's points fore centurie's and we will jolly well carry on side-stepping people's points thank you very much.









:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



I will tell all my 9 grandchildren that their papa is a young whipper snapper... (blush)



Talk about being wound up........

You seem to be the only wound up time bomb here!



What's the matter, seeing your other assinine posts make you look silly and you just can't handle...EH?

Oh my god, i just so can't believe I just said that.:driving:


And your point is exactly?????????

I don't appear to be the one retreating. I would say if any one looks silly, it is the one's who duck out of a thread so quickly when the heat is turned up.

I also don't appear to be constantly repeating old posts in a desperate attempt to look big. What's up, can't you actually debate a subjeact without pasting a load of bollocks that was put there with the sole intention of making you look stupid in the first place.?

You seem far more wound up than anyone else??? What's your big problem?

oscar;1027196 wrote: I see you, retreat in defeat more like. :wah::wah::wah:


no i went to bed you see some of the people here have a life out side the forum

you can try n belittle me all you like your man gordon wont be in power next time round

el guapo;1027778 wrote: no i went to bed you see some of the people here have a life out side the forum

you can try n belittle me all you like your man gordon wont be in power next time round


I am not trying to belittle you.

Some of us work shifts and have time off, some of us have husbands recovering from advanced cancer and radical open surgery, but, that's my problem, not yours. Such a remark would be quite insulting to alot of the FG members on here.

As for Gordon, what's the alternative ?? Serousley? What alternative do you have??

Cameron?? Or Nick Clegg ??

oscar;1027797 wrote: I am not trying to belittle you.

Some of us work shifts and have time off, some of us have husbands recovering from advanced cancer and radical open surgery, but, that's my problem, not yours. Such a remark would be quite insulting to alot of the FG members on here.

As for Gordon, what's the alternative ?? Serousley? What alternative do you have??

Cameron?? Or Nick Clegg ??


when gordon wins i will accept him

but my votes cameron

el guapo;1027830 wrote: when gordon wins i will accept him

but my votes cameron


Cameron was ahead in the polls by about 14% up to Brown nationalising the banks. That gave him a swing and Cameron slipped back in the polls to about 5% ahead as we speak.

There is no doubt that it will be very very close. Everything Brown does now up to the election will be scrutinised.

Nick Clegg, Liberal hasn't a hope in hell but Cameron does have alot of support, so yes it will be close.

If you want Cameron in, you have to hope that Brown ****'s up some-where in the next year as he's gaining in the polls.

It'll certainley be very interesting.