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Do you feel we are heading for another depression?? Recession, we have been in recessions before. But NOT as bad as now. in the last 50 years anyway. i can remember in the midwest when a lot of the steel mills went belly up. also the oil bust in the early 80's. This is a world wide true crises.:-1

weve had are chips

think we all got some tough times ahead

I think it will get bad, but not that bad.

Cow Patty;1014140 wrote: I think it will get bad, but not that bad.


it already that bad for me

Bread lines aren't so bad, they tend to stay put but them soup lines run all over the place.

Not bad yet, but it will be a tight Christmas

Bread lines aren't just old-fashioned, they're not a very effective way of delivering help unless bread production's practically at a standstill. What works are soup kitchens. Yes, I'm sure there'll be a lot more of those. Whether people get to see them unless they need them's another matter.

Well if the stores can't get products - there will be lines for food

and selected area's go to line on certain days.

I'd stock up on what you can.

Our Food Bank's are closing - looks like every one is cutting back

Patsy

As long as I can get cheese, thats the main thing.





Just trying to lighten the mood, its all a bit grim init???

Stocking up on lots of canned goods and making stuff that can go into the freezer. Also buying meat in bulk and freezing that too.

Sadly yes. we're heading towards terrible - depressing times.

my parents were kids during the depression. mom said she had plenty to eat. living on a farm. but no shoes. dad was a city kid. his parents were raising 5 of their own. Plus 9 other children. Their mother's sister's kids. It was really hard on them. My hubby and i are really cutting back. I have little wants. so it will not be easy. But we are from stock that were survivors.

Local "Soup Kitchens" are already feeding more people than they used to.



Brother, can you spare a dollar?

Galbally;1014323 wrote: As long as I can get cheese, thats the main thing.





Just trying to lighten the mood, its all a bit grim init???


I think people are far too enterprising these days. I see home businesses starting and growing instead of the money men ruling everything.

Any party looking to win elections right now would well be advised to help the new businessman. We'd then see natural new growth not just from the stock market.

This is an ideal time to go it alone,

I love cheese galbally -- a nice ripe Brie :yh_bigsmi

Ian;1014498 wrote: Think of "BAD" then times it by 10 :-6 I just think that people should be prepared to help themselves rather than sit around expecting the politicians to do it all especially when the politicians have created this mess..

There will be people out there who will find it far easier to sign on the benifit system by then over stretching resources more than they are overstretched now. It's a vicious circle.

Just as consolidation loan companie's will be churning out more packages just leaving people with false money. They will then turn to more plastic to keep them selves in the lifestyle they want and the whole thing will start up again.

There was a lady in the paper today who was dragged before the magistrates and fined £5,000 for selling her fruit in pounds rather than kilo's. It is this persecution that shows government do not want the individual to be self sufficiant.

They need to consider and help start up companie's but they won't.

Well the stock market dropped BIG TIME AGAIN. Close to 680 points. This is not CHICKEN LITTLE. the sky is really falling!!!!!!:(

southern yankee;1014102 wrote: Do you feel we are heading for another depression?? Recession, we have been in recessions before. But NOT as bad as now. in the last 50 years anyway. i can remember in the midwest when a lot of the steel mills went belly up. also the oil bust in the early 80's. This is a world wide true crises.:-1
Yes, it's a "recession" when you get laid off, & a "depression" when I get laid off! IMO, I'm afraid that when things get really bad shortly, today's generation is not like the generation back 50 to 60 years ago. Having said that, back then, most people had pride & honor, & would never consider "helping themselves" by taking what they wanted, from those that had it! Today's society (doesn't wait for anything they want it now) is already plaged with crime, & burgularies! One can only begin to imagine just how bad it will become when an out of work, homeless, hungry man needs to get at least food for his starving family! Sorry to say, foresee much gloom & doom ahead! :-3 I pray I'm wrong!!!

cars;1014559 wrote: Yes, it's a "recession" when you get laid off, & a "depression" when I get laid off! IMO, I'm afraid that when things get really bad shortly, today's generation is not like the generation back 50 to 60 years ago. Having said that, back then, most people had pride & honor, & would never consider "helping themselves" by taking what they wanted, from those that had it! Today's society (doesn't wait for anything they want it now) is already plaged with crime, & burgularies! One can only begin to imagine just how bad it will become when an out of work, homeless, hungry man needs to get at least food for his starving family! Sorry to say, foresee much gloom & doom ahead! :-3 I pray I'm wrong!!! It will get a lot worse, crime i fear. The have nots will be uprising agaisnt the haves. It won't be pretty. Or safe:-3

i wonder if it will be like in some old movies i have seen. the revenue man comes to take your home. with the sheriff. people will barricade themselves in to protect what is THEIRS. Really scary out there' Of what may happen. You heard of the 70 something old lady shooting herself when she was being forced from her home. Like she said. Where will i go??? What will happen to everyone if this gets much worse????:(

What will it take for us to make a turn around??? Maybe your average Joe can come up with the ANSWER???????? Not a soccer MOM

Ian;1014525 wrote: "They" are the worst among us.. sniveling little puppets for big business men,

I have always prepared myself for the times that we are living in and I still prepare for the future.. Go build your Earthship and help your family prepare for a different future.. SUSTAINABILITY


Way kool......What size generator you got? How much water? How about wheat and flour?

oscar;1014513 wrote: There was a lady in the paper today who was dragged before the magistrates and fined £5,000 for selling her fruit in pounds rather than kilo's.Shall we get her to join FG? I know just how to bait a thread to fish for her."I’ve now got a criminal record and got to pay £4,700, which I can’t do. I’m a market trader, how much money do they think I make?".

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/3 ... rt_battle/

Who Here is stocked ?? Do you have a pantry ?

Do you have a emergency preserve (kit) put aside ?

Thanks BTS - I'll need to stock more water.

2- bags of flour here..

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1014741 wrote: Who Here is stocked ?? Do you have a pantry ?

Do you have a emergency preserve (kit) put aside ?

Thanks BTS - I'll need to stock more water.

2- bags of flour here..

Patsy


2 bags of flour? I had a quarter ton delivery of drygood staples from the local supermarket in June. And some multivitamins and five gallons of water purifier concentrate.

southern yankee;1014102 wrote: Do you feel we are heading for another depression?? Recession, we have been in recessions before. But NOT as bad as now. in the last 50 years anyway. i can remember in the midwest when a lot of the steel mills went belly up. also the oil bust in the early 80's. This is a world wide true crises.:-1


The big mines here are starting to downscale.

Most of the contractors are being put off.

Interesting times ahead .

I am thinking of getting my savings out of the bank & buying a safe.:-3

Not sure what to do to tell the truth.I am to old to start all over again if things go bum up.:-5

Spot

2- Bags of Flour is plenty for me - very seldom bread anything - I can't bake worth a sh- -..

But, if I have to put some gooey biscuits together, put them on the Barbecue(charcoal) to shut my husband's gut up -

well, I 'll have to invite you over to watch this mess...:wah:

I am stocking up - alway's have. I was brought up with parent's from the depression era.. Monkey see, Monkey do...

Patsy

Now look, it is at times like this that the ability to not lose ones head when all around are losing theirs is a most useful quality. I have no doubt that indeed, we are in for some profoundly difficult economic times, but its unlikely you will die or starve or be shot down in the street by a rampaging mob (well probably not). We will all simply have to adjust ourselves to a new situation, and one (as the mayor of Hiroshima said) "not necessarily to our advantage".

It is going to be a little bit frightening over the next period I would imagine, as economic panics on this scale are worrying things and something none of us have experienced before, still, life will go on no doubt. Such things have happened before, and they will happen again, how we respond to the one in our time is a simply a series of choices we have yet to make. People in the West have been making very bad collective choices for a long time, its imperative that as life gets serious once again, that peoples responses become more measured and serious accordingly.

Galbally;1014779 wrote: its imperative that as life gets serious once again, that peoples responses become more measured and serious accordingly.
Priorities, that's what we need. Do you know any really ancient people Galbally? Maybe in the darkest corner of the local sibín under the lowest bit of the ceiling? Ask them if they remember how to make a coffee substitute out of roasted acorns and put up a post here on how they did it, it's details like that which'll come in most useful of all.

spot;1014839 wrote: Priorities, that's what we need. Do you know any really ancient people Galbally? Maybe in the darkest corner of the local sibín under the lowest bit of the ceiling? Ask them if they remember how to make a coffee substitute out of roasted acorns and put up a post here on how they did it, it's details like that which'll come in most useful of all.


Begod I will, there are some old farm hands here in the reseach centre, those boys are hard nuts they wont' be freaking out about all this city boy nonsense, I can tell you that.

Galbally;1014860 wrote: Begod I will, there are some old farm hands here in the reseach centre, those boys are hard nuts they wont' be freaking out about all this city boy nonsense, I can tell you that.


And are you well again? Is there health in you once more? We've been worried, a strapping lad like you taking time off.

Patsy Warnick;1014741 wrote: Who Here is stocked ?? Do you have a pantry ?

Do you have a emergency preserve (kit) put aside ?

Thanks BTS - I'll need to stock more water.

2- bags of flour here..

Patsy i was but gustav and Ike took care of that. Now the world in a nosedive. I do feel like CHICKEN LITTLE.

spot;1014862 wrote: And are you well again? Is there health in you once more? We've been worried, a strapping lad like you taking time off.


Arrah I am grand, not a bother on me now. Don't be worrying about me, when me time comes just throw me into a ditch or something. That won't be for a while though. And how's yourself? :guitarist

I think it won't be easy, but won't be too bad.

We have a new president on the way and if he wants to get elected to a second term...he will have to figure out a way to stabilize things. I am glad this did not happen three or four years ago.

I wish they would use the 700B of taxpayer money to maybe buy up the vacant houses at low prices, and then sell them to people who can come up with the payment....something like that. I hope banksters don't end up with that money.

They will figure out a way because they have to.

wildhorses;1018151 wrote: I think it won't be easy, but won't be too bad.

We have a new president on the way and if he wants to get elected to a second term....


If Obama gets in, you won't have to elect anyone for a second term. After two years, there will be anarchy.

Every home will have been re-possesed, there will be no jobs for you as you'll be invaded by Mexico.

You will be at war with Russia and China.

The Taliban will have taken control of Pakistan's nucleur arsenal and will have nuked half of America,

But hey ho, i hear the weather will be nice for next two years. So try to look on the bright side America

oscar;1018194 wrote: If Obama gets in, you won't have to elect anyone for a second term. After two years, there will be anarchy.

Every home will have been re-possesed, there will be no jobs for you as you'll be invaded by Mexico.

You will be at war with Russia and China.

The Taliban will have taken control of Pakistan's nucleur arsenal and will have nuked half of America,

But hey ho, i hear the weather will be nice for next two years. So try to look on the bright side America


Are you being sarcastic again Oscar?? :wah:

Galbally;1018252 wrote: Are you being sarcastic again Oscar?? :wah:


Me?? Sarcastic, Never galbally :p

oscar;1018194 wrote: If Obama gets in, you won't have to elect anyone for a second term. After two years, there will be anarchy.

Every home will have been re-possesed, there will be no jobs for you as you'll be invaded by Mexico.

You will be at war with Russia and China.

The Taliban will have taken control of Pakistan's nucleur arsenal and will have nuked half of America,

But hey ho, i hear the weather will be nice for next two years. So try to look on the bright side America thanks we REALLY needed to hear that:(

southern yankee;1018673 wrote: thanks we REALLY needed to hear that:(


Your very welcome Southern Yankee.

Just like our fine upstanding politicians, we do what we can to ease the pain of others in suffering.

I will inform the passport office that there is likely to be a rush on UK citizenship from the US cos you've only got chicken wire keeping them Mexicans out.

Ah sure, why would there be lines for bread when you can shop on line?

Times have changed, the definition of a ‘depression’ these days means that before you go and buy something, you may actually need to have money.

We are so use to having whatever we want, whenever we want, and if you don’t have the money¦ no problem¦ ‘no money down, credit available, no payments until 2010¦’

When my parents bought their house, it was a few years before they could start getting furniture for it, they had to save first then buy stuff. We just need to re-adjust our expectations, remember that money does not grow on trees, and cut up those feck’n credit cards that charge you 18% interest on outstanding balances.

The ones who will be impacted by this downturn will be the ones who were living lifestyles that they could not afford.

southern yankee;1014585 wrote: i wonder if it will be like in some old movies i have seen. the revenue man comes to take your home. with the sheriff. people will barricade themselves in to protect what is THEIRS. Really scary out there' Of what may happen. You heard of the 70 something old lady shooting herself when she was being forced from her home. Like she said. Where will i go??? What will happen to everyone if this gets much worse????:(


If they are under the legal requirement of 3ft 6ins, they can re-settle in Ireland.

southern yankee;1014730 wrote: What will it take for us to make a turn around??? Maybe your average Joe can come up with the ANSWER???????? Not a soccer MOM


It's o'k southern Yankee, the panic is over.

That wonderfull scotsman Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister has come up with the answers.

He's sorted the UK's financial problems out this morning and has got 15 EU countries asking for his advice so they can follow the same plan.

Just as soon as he can translate the agreement into words of no more than 3 letters, he will send it to George Bush.

oscar;1018802 wrote: It's o'k southern Yankee, the panic is over.

That wonderfull scotsman Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister has come up with the answers.

He's sorted the UK's financial problems out this morning and has got 15 EU countries asking for his advice so they can follow the same plan.

Just as soon as he can translate the agreement into words of no more than 3 letters, he will send it to George Bush.


:wah::wah:

spot;1014740 wrote: Shall we get her to join FG? I know just how to bait a thread to fish for her."I’ve now got a criminal record and got to pay £4,700, which I can’t do. I’m a market trader, how much money do they think I make?".

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/3 ... rt_battle/




Yes Spot, you are the Yoda of baiting. Do a thread on her and watch her bite :sneaky:

oscar;1018725 wrote: Your very welcome Southern Yankee.

Just like our fine upstanding politicians, we do what we can to ease the pain of others in suffering.

I will inform the passport office that there is likely to be a rush on UK citizenship from the US cos you've only got chicken wire keeping them Mexicans out. i agree with you with that. My Grand parents( father's parents) were immigrants from Poland. That did not get a FREE PASS. They had to Follow the rules. The rules?? What rules?? Is the thought of now a days:mad:

southern yankee;1018808 wrote: i agree with you with that. My Grand parents( father's parents) were immigrants from Poland. That did not get a FREE PASS. They had to Follow the rules. The rules?? What rules?? Is the thought of now a days:mad:


Exactly. We had a poll recently to ask the UK if they prefered to be called British or English.

35% said British

35% said English - and

30% said Romanian.

I'm on our housing commitee and i just see them keep rolling in. It seems if your name begins with Ali or ends in ov, your in.

I have to be careful now or i will have a visit from a member of The British Police Constabulary to caution me for being unfunny and racist.