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It's from Sen. John McCain's healthcare advisor and co-author of his health plan, John Goodman. Take a look for yourself:

"The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American...as uninsured."

Goodman says no one is really uninsured because they can always just go to an E.R. to get treatment.

"So, there you have it," he continued. "Voila! Problem solved."

Voila? Really?

Healthcare reform is a hot issue right now..on all sides..the healthcare profession needs change..the people who need access to it need change. I dont think i want to see national health care here but the comment from McCain's healthcare advisor is ingorant..yes, anybody can go to the e.r. (if you have the money to pay for it)..that is his answer to the millions of middleclass americans that are uninsured..:-5

"If you have the money"?? What ER turns the destitute away?

What the dumby didnt address is the fact that if you work for a living..you are gonna pay out the nose for the er..what if you get a cronic illness? what if you need alot of meds? bypass surgery runs into about sixty to a hundred thousand a pop..and that is just one example.if you arent insured ..you are out of luck. Just because you work doesnt mean you can afford to be sick without insurance..and way too many Americans are uninsured. Either the company they work for doesnt offer it, they are self employed and cant afford a sole policy that is outrageously priced or in between jobs..or a new job..and not covered..The destitute can and are turned away from the er sometimes. they are given the basic of care and sent home. If you are diagnosed with Cancer and have no insurance and work..you are not going to get the best of care. That is just the way this system works.



And then you have the flip side of this..the destitute that are covered by medicaid or medicare, or their kids are covered by the government handout..that run to the er with a fricken COLD. Because they dont have to pay for it , they abuse the _________out of the system. :-5



Are you aware that hospitals are run as a business.they have people on board that their only job is too check each patients insurance, medicare, medicaid..government insurance coverage.They check your credit.They do this so they can know what can be tested..how long the patient can stay..and they provide this info to the hospital and the md. AND this is how they decide what to do for you..how many tests to do. This is how they decide what kind of quality of care you will recieve..and WA La...when they know they have used every available limit to get paid..they send your ass home.

rjwould;973135 wrote: John McCain doesn't have a health care plan, does he?



Acct- I understand you may reject out of hand anything Michael Moore has to say, but have you seen his movie on health care? In it he reveals what hospitals do do after the initial emergency care is provided. Its shameful! And its accurate.
Nope, haven't seen it. I reject his tripe out of hand. The few scenes I've seen are him tossing selected bits and stats, then asks rhetorical questions with only the most tenuous connection. It's design is for the casual viewer to think he's made assertions and backed them up with fact. Any lawsuit would be useless because he could throw his hands up innocently and say "I never said that! I was merely raising questions."

guppy;972802 wrote: It's from Sen. John McCain's healthcare advisor and co-author of his health plan, John Goodman. Take a look for yourself:

"The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American...as uninsured."

Goodman says no one is really uninsured because they can always just go to an E.R. to get treatment.

"So, there you have it," he continued. "Voila! Problem solved."

Voila? Really?


I spent last spring in the E.R. with my daughter who broke her ankle for 5 hours. And guess who got in before us? Yeah, uninsured people who had things from sore throat to my tummy hurts. We have insurance and it's a disgrace. The E.R. bypassed us in favor of the people who didn't have insurance.

rjwould;973156 wrote: How do you know all that having not seen it? It really is a good film. Why not give it a critical look see?:)
As I said, I saw clips. I'm wracking my brain to remember where, but it wasn't a pre-cut thing. I think it was on HBO or something and I caught it channel-surfing.

guppy;973142 wrote: What the dumby didnt address is the fact that if you work for a living..you are gonna pay out the nose for the er..what if you get a cronic illness? what if you need alot of meds? bypass surgery runs into about sixty to a hundred thousand a pop..and that is just one example.if you arent insured ..you are out of luck. Just because you work doesnt mean you can afford to be sick without insurance..and way too many Americans are uninsured. Either the company they work for doesnt offer it, they are self employed and cant afford a sole policy that is outrageously priced or in between jobs..or a new job..and not covered..The destitute can and are turned away from the er sometimes. they are given the basic of care and sent home. If you are diagnosed with Cancer and have no insurance and work..you are not going to get the best of care. That is just the way this system works.



And then you have the flip side of this..the destitute that are covered by medicaid or medicare, or their kids are covered by the government handout..that run to the er with a fricken COLD. Because they dont have to pay for it , they abuse the _________out of the system. :-5



Are you aware that hospitals are run as a business.they have people on board that their only job is too check each patients insurance, medicare, medicaid..government insurance coverage.They check your credit.They do this so they can know what can be tested..how long the patient can stay..and they provide this info to the hospital and the md. AND this is how they decide what to do for you..how many tests to do. This is how they decide what kind of quality of care you will recieve..and WA La...when they know they have used every available limit to get paid..they send your ass home.
What makes you think nationalizing the system would change any of that? People would still abutse the system, probably in greater numbers. Everybody would get the bare minimum of care (have you ever worked with a federal gov't budget?) prioritizing alternatives by cost rather than effectiveness. And hospitals would check your gov't record rather than your credit record but the result would be the same: you would only receive care up to your limit.

We have a National Health System here. We pay weekly or monthly out of our salery's but the cost compared to what is on offer is outstanding.

No-one gets turned away weather they are a beggar, immigrant or worker.

All people ever do is knock the system. One big issue that our Prime Minister is going to have to address and that is immigration. Sorry, yes, it had to be me that said it ... but it's fact.

Also the amount of people on benifit that drain the system. Some people haven't worked in their lives and never intend to. They take advange of everything that's free and on offer and then have the bollocks to complain that they may have had to wait for 2 hrs to get seen.

I'd like to see a system where if some-one having expensive treatment while on benifit, providing they are well, not in pain etc, actually do a month's free work in the hospital cleaning to pay for it.

The system is not perfect and it is unfair that people who work, pay into the NHS when lazy shysters get the same treatment for nothing.

oscar;1020825 wrote: We have a National Health System here. We pay weekly or monthly out of our salery's but the cost compared to what is on offer is outstanding.

No-one gets turned away weather they are a beggar, immigrant or worker.

All people ever do is knock the system. One big issue that our Prime Minister is going to have to address and that is immigration. Sorry, yes, it had to be me that said it ... but it's fact.

Also the amount of people on benifit that drain the system. Some people haven't worked in their lives and never intend to. They take advange of everything that's free and on offer and then have the bollocks to complain that they may have had to wait for 2 hrs to get seen.

I'd like to see a system where if some-one having expensive treatment while on benifit, providing they are well, not in pain etc, actually do a month's free work in the hospital cleaning to pay for it.

The system is not perfect and it is unfair that people who work, pay into the NHS when lazy shysters get the same treatment for nothing. :(The proportion of shysters to payers will continue to grow because the system encourages it. It's silly to think otherwise.

Accountable;1020903 wrote: The proportion of shysters to payers will continue to grow because the system encourages it. It's silly to think otherwise.


Absolutely right. It will always be that way as well. I think our government has to look at better incentives to get young people working in apprenticeships etc because i can truely see a day coming when i am 90 yrs old and there will be no plumbers, electricians etc. Our governments and bank chiefs are guilty of creating what i call 'The Me' generation or the 'I'm alright Jack Pack' as Mr Oscar calls them.

People that have no idea of responsibility, conseqence or accountability for anything. We won't change that generation now, they have had too long being too bloody selfish to be re-conditioned. The only way is to get tough with them. If they live way beyond their means, make them pay for it. Reward the one's who do watch the budget and are responsible.

Hey, i could write a book on what i'd like in Oscar's law, we all would.

oscar;1020911 wrote: Absolutely right. It will always be that way as well. I think our government has to look at better incentives to get young people working in apprenticeships etc because i can truely see a day coming when i am 90 yrs old and there will be no plumbers, electricians etc. Our governments and bank chiefs are guilty of creating what i call 'The Me' generation or the 'I'm alright Jack Pack' as Mr Oscar calls them.

People that have no idea of responsibility, conseqence or accountability for anything. We won't change that generation now, they have had too long being too bloody selfish to be re-conditioned. The only way is to get tough with them. If they live way beyond their means, make them pay for it. Reward the one's who do watch the budget and are responsible.

Hey, i could write a book on what i'd like in Oscar's law, we all would.That's precisely what you've been bragging about avoiding. :-2

Accountable;1020923 wrote: That's precisely what you've been bragging about avoiding. :-2


Not sure what you mean by that???

oscar;1020932 wrote: Not sure what you mean by that???
Your PM saved the world, you said. The saving wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for people living beyond their means. By "saving the world" you avoided making people pay for living beyond their means.

Accountable;1020977 wrote: Your PM saved the world, you said. The saving wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for people living beyond their means. By "saving the world" you avoided making people pay for living beyond their means.


Ahh got yer. I'm dumb at times :yh_doh:yh_doh That's why i never got past local council.

I just wish he'd done it sooner.

Do you think it's a good idea to tax the dumb and reward the smart??

oscar;1020987 wrote: Ahh got yer. I'm dumb at times :yh_doh:yh_doh That's why i never got past local council.

I just wish he'd done it sooner.

Do you think it's a good idea to tax the dumb and reward the smart??
:wah: Loaded that question just a bit, dincha? :wah:



The smart earn their own reward. I'm not sure we'd agree on a definition for 'dumb'.



Wish I had time to address the unwise, but school's about to start.

guppy;972802 wrote: It's from Sen. John McCain's healthcare advisor and co-author of his health plan, John Goodman. Take a look for yourself:

"The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American...as uninsured."

Goodman says no one is really uninsured because they can always just go to an E.R. to get treatment.

"So, there you have it," he continued. "Voila! Problem solved."

Voila? Really?


I went to the ER with my daughter last spring after she fractured her foot. We were there for 6 hours:mad: and are insured. We had to wait those 6 hours because most of the people in the ER had no health insurance and got to see the doctor first. My kids would have to be dying before I step into the ER again.

qsducks;1021177 wrote: I went to the ER with my daughter last spring after she fractured her foot. We were there for 6 hours:mad: and are insured. We had to wait those 6 hours because most of the people in the ER had no health insurance and got to see the doctor first. My kids would have to be dying before I step into the ER again.


I am sorry you had such a bad experience with the er..more than likely the er had to wait for a doctor to assess your daughter's xrays.

guppy;1021202 wrote: I am sorry you had such a bad experience with the er..more than likely the er had to wait for a doctor to assess your daughter's xrays.


No, she didn't get the xrays till we there for the last 2 hours. The doctor did tell us that the uninsured come in there for stupid things like sore throats, etc. because they can't afford a regular doctor visit.