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New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:42 am
by Clint
New Orleans is about to be severely damaged for the second time in three years. It is located in a place where hurricanes will make landfall time after time from now on and it's at an elevation that makes it a perfect place for floods.

New Orleans has a major seaport and it's a party town.

Every time it experiences a disaster like this it will receive Federal aid to rebuild. No one in thier right mind would locate a new business there unless they felt they could benefit from the cash that comes from disasters.

Is it possible for New Orleans to get to the point it is a safe place to invest money in anything but the seaport?

Is it time to quit spending national treasure to rebuild the party town and homes that will certainly be destroyed again? Wouldn't it be less expensive and more merciful to relocate people rather than put them back in harms way?

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:11 am
by spot
What's different between now and a hundred years ago, or fifty years ago, or ten years ago? It's the same place in the same location with the same poorer-than-average demographics.

There seems to be a mass exodus today after it was announced that 2000 National Guard would be moved in. Presumably that was taken as notice that the police would go back to shoot-on-sight once the city stopped functioning, like they did last time.

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:24 am
by along-for-the-ride
Perhaps New Orleans has been changed forever since Katrina, in spite of the rebuilding and the population returning. This change is not being acknowledged by politicians and business owners.

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New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:26 am
by Clint
Water temps are higher and hurricanes are more frequent. We don't know how long this will be the way things are. The population grew and development occured that has increased the impact. Should more development be encouraged?

I've never seen hard evidence that looters were shot on sight the last time. Maybe you did but that has nothing to with the viability of the City.

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:28 am
by spot
I wasn't talking about looters, I was talking about Danziger Bridge.

I thought America discounted global warming as a phenomenon. What's this - local regional warming?

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:31 am
by Clint
spot;968570 wrote: I wasn't talking about looters, I was talking about Danziger Bridge.

I thought America discounted global warming as a phenomenon. What's this - local regional warming?


What should the future of New Orleans be?

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:32 am
by CARLA
You can't mess with Mother Nature and she is determined to remove New Orleans from the map. Not sure much has changed in the past 100 year except the path of the storms and some poorly designed Levies coupled with the fact that we don't pay attention to what has and will continue to happen in this area.

People won't be able to move or rebuild there soon just not going to happen as the storms will get larger and more dangerous with each season that's Mother Nature for you what goes around comes around. .

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:41 am
by spot
Clint;968572 wrote: What should the future of New Orleans be?


Dismantle the Mississippi levies and create a wildlife reserve the size of the natural flood plain. Set aside high ground for a million Bangladeshis when their islands disappear, they'll know how to farm the delta and make it useful.

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:18 am
by Clint
Point taken. Too bad it won't solve the realtime problem we in the US have with New Orleans.

How many times can we pretend the last failed plan isn't the answer to the same problem this time. Is there a way to create a win-win for the taxpayers and the poeple of New Orleans?

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:25 am
by spot
Easy. Declare the city environs a Federal Reserve and refuse to allow anyone back on it now they're all out. The legislation was developed back in the 1870s, it's still usable.

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:30 am
by Clint
spot;968617 wrote: Easy. Declare the city environs a Federal Reserve and refuse to allow anyone back on it now they're all out. The legislation was developed back in the 1870s, it's still usable.


And what of the people who live there? Would you just say "tough luck, I hope you like your new home wherever it may be"? Should the seaport be moved too?

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:36 am
by spot
What did the Indians get paid when they were moved off land the Federal Government requisitioned from them?

Assume $300,000 compensation for every man, woman and child in the city. That's a $50 billion compensation package and I'll tell you boy, that's a hell of a sight cheaper than foreign adventurism. You could do that ten times over and not catch up with the financial cost of this Iraq nonsense, and you'd get a wetland reserve out of it.

New Orleans

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:40 am
by CARLA
I don't think there will be much of a choice for the people they will have to move. New Orleans is below Sea Level and continues to sink the options are slim they will have to move inland or die trying to stay there. :(

[QUOTE]And what of the people who live there? Would you just say "tough luck, I hope you like your new home wherever it may be"? Should the seaport be moved too?


Good idea Spot:

Assume $300,000 compensation for every man, woman and child in the city. That's a $50 billion compensation package and I'll tell you boy, that's a hell of a sight cheaper than foreign adventurism. You could do that ten times over and not catch up with the financial cost of this Iraq nonsense, and you'd get a wetland reserve out of it.

New Orleans

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:44 pm
by Clint
CARLA;968624 wrote: I don't think there will be much of a choice for the people they will have to move. New Orleans is below Sea Level and continues to sink the options are slim they will have to move inland or die trying to stay there. :(



Good idea Spot:

Assume $300,000 compensation for every man, woman and child in the city. That's a $50 billion compensation package and I'll tell you boy, that's a hell of a sight cheaper than foreign adventurism. You could do that ten times over and not catch up with the financial cost of this Iraq nonsense, and you'd get a wetland reserve out of it.


:-5 My modem went south. I've been fighting with it for about 3 weeks now.

Well, it looks like the work the Corps did is working. Maybe N.O. will get to the point it's as able to hold back the sea as Amsterdam is.

New Orleans

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:02 pm
by CARLA
Yep they are holding the Industrial Canal's needs to be higher and they might do OK.

New Orleans

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:58 pm
by spot
Clint;969628 wrote: :-5 My modem went south. I've been fighting with it for about 3 weeks now.

Well, it looks like the work the Corps did is working. Maybe N.O. will get to the point it's as able to hold back the sea as Amsterdam is.I'm sure the work the Corps did will continue to work. The problem is that every two or three years the place is going to panic into another two-million evacuation. I don't imagine people are going to keep going back after a few more instances of that.

I'm glad your modem's back. I had to mend mine last night.