Speak up Obama

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:56 am

Obama gets a lot of credit for his oratory skills. I've seen and heard him speak, both with a teleprompter in front of him and without. When he's trying to think and talk on his own, he sounds like a stuttering fool. JMHO.:wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:43 am

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/stor ... 331&page=1

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:56 pm

Just a reminder that we have had some Presidents who oratory skills were, shall we say, lacking. Jimmy Carter comes to mind. Anyone else think of another?

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Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:08 pm

I'm not sure any of the recent ones had off the cuff skills except Reagan.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:58 pm

Some are begining to call him Uh-bama. I've never heard anyone given so much credit for speaking ability when they use "uh" as much as he does.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:22 am

fuzzy butt;931966 wrote: In the english language it denotes thinking and thought processes It's better than "um"
It's better to pause with your mouth hanging open rather than closed? :wah:

For the record, I've got no real problem with his speech patterns, but his communication skills don't match the hype.

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:23 am

Good or bad speaker? What does that even mean?

He's been able to raise more money than any other challenger (including democratic and republican), because of his oratory skills.

I agree he pauses think. But if you aren't talking about some kind of real world comparison, saying he's a god or bad speaker is completely subjective and has no meaning.

I suspect people that don't like how he speaks, just don't like the content of his statements, so attack it at a superficial level,

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:37 am

yaaarrrgg;932171 wrote: Good or bad speaker? What does that even mean?

He's been able to raise more money than any other challenger (including democratic and republican), because of his oratory skills.

I agree he pauses think. But if you aren't talking about some kind of real world comparison, saying he's a god or bad speaker is completely subjective and has no meaning.

I suspect people that don't like how he speaks, just don't like the content of his statements, so attack it at a superficial level,
:wah: Don't be silly. I think you give Hoppy way too much credit. People that attack the way he speaks never get past that to even listen to the content.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:06 am

yaaarrrgg;932171 wrote: Good or bad speaker? What does that even mean?

He's been able to raise more money than any other challenger (including democratic and republican), because of his oratory skills.

I agree he pauses think. But if you aren't talking about some kind of real world comparison, saying he's a god or bad speaker is completely subjective and has no meaning.

I suspect people that don't like how he speaks, just don't like the content of his statements, so attack it at a superficial level,

I'm looking forward to him defending any content there may be. So far we know he can deliver a prepared speech.

One of the biggest complaints about President Bush has been about how he speaks.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:06 pm

I like O-BAM-A's energy plan. Inflate your tires and we'll tax the electric companies. :driving::yh_rotfl

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:37 pm

Nah, it's just a habit. But it's a habit that real world leaders might take as weakness in his positions or knowledge (go figger). He could knock that out in a week or so if he wasn't already perfect.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:07 pm

yes, a puppet or a parrot. take your pick.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:44 pm

:yh_rotfl

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:12 am

They love Obama in europe. Any suggestions about that?

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:57 am

I've got some cardboard boxes we used to move with that I'll be happy to donate.

Snidely Whiplash · Post by **Snidely Whiplash** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:04 pm

hoppy;939298 wrote: They love Obama in europe. Any suggestions about that?

What do you expect when you have a socialist country with such high unemployment that 200,000 people can take a day to go rooooot for Barry Obama.... Opps, I mean "the messiah", instead of sitting on a German street corner or being depressed about the economy or the failed socialist health care or so many other negatives in socialist Europe at present...... But Barry feels right at home in a socialist community doesn't he...? He says all the right words and has all the right goals to make socialists cheer for him...... But are "YOU one of those, who will cheer and vote for his Socialist ideals"...? Because thats what it all boils down to........ Thats when the the show will be over, and the fat lady has sang.............. On election day.... It might inform some of you that socialism has never worked, never sucseeded, and has always failed.... Evidence of that is going on right now in Europe where some countries are outing the leftist socialist parties and wanting more moderate and conservatine capitalist parties, something Barry Obabla and his crue hasn't caught on to yet, or is refusing to recognise.... :-3

If I were sitting in they're shoes, his mesionic rock star like words of nothingness stating glory for all would probably sound like the saving graces of everything ailing our world to me too.... But wait, the telepromter broke down, and all we get from Barry is Ahhh, aaaah, ummmm, butttt, wellll, uu, u, uuuu, uuu, umm, waaa, ehhh, well, lets just give Barry the benifit of the doubt, I'm sure he'll learn to talk better than George W......???? Or will he..........? :-3

Did you know that Barry has actually only worked under 200 days as a senator, the actual days he's been present, thats the extent of his experience, unless you want to count his time as a community organizer whatever that term means, in Chigago, the city and state Barry is senator of, which still has a terrible crime rate, and has shown NO signs of any good coming from Barry's tender loving care of his own cities........

Take this duefus off a telepromter and he makes George W. Bush look like a spelling Bee champian and a english lid major....!!!!! Hahahahaha... It's the truth...!!!! :p

:p

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:32 am

hoppy;939298 wrote: They love Obama in europe. Any suggestions about that?

I know you think foreign opinion is irrelevant but- American presidential elections are interesting outside of america only in so far as their foreign policy affects people. If McCain gets in then it looks like america is set to continue a right wing militaristic foreign policy that will alienate allies even more than they are now leaving america isolated and heading for economic depression. The US economy matters less and less in the world McCain would speed up the process.

If Obama gets in it would be a remarkable achievement that a country that only forty years before was still hanging black people for daring to vote. Obama is interesting for that reason alone. It's quite an achievement getting nominated.

posted by snidely whiplash

What do you expect when you have a socialist country with such high unemployment that 200,000 people can take a day to go rooooot for Barry Obama.... Opps, I mean "the messiah", instead of sitting on a German street corner or being depressed about the economy or the failed socialist health care or so many other negatives in socialist Europe at present...... But Barry feels right at home in a socialist community doesn't he...? He says all the right words and has all the right goals to make socialists cheer for him...... But are "YOU one of those, who will cheer and vote for his Socialist ideals"...? Because thats what it all boils down to........ Thats when the the show will be over, and the fat lady has sang.............. On election day.... It might inform some of you that socialism has never worked, never sucseeded, and has always failed.... Evidence of that is going on right now in Europe where some countries are outing the leftist socialist parties and wanting more moderate and conservatine capitalist parties, something Barry Obabla and his crue hasn't caught on to yet, or is refusing to recognise..

Given the state of american economy I wouldn't be quite so smug if i were you.

At least we can talk about socialism and socialist ideals without getting hysterical about it. Pick the best from left and right wing politics. Neither obama or McCain would be viewed as socialist in europe. That you think Obama is socialist is interesting but not interesting enough to find out what he is planning for the domestic front that you think is socialist. If Obama is socialist does that make McCain fascist?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:00 am

gmc;940108 wrote: If McCain gets in then it looks like america is set to continue a right wing militaristic foreign policy that will alienate allies even more than they are now leaving america isolated and heading for economic depression.
What do you base that conclusion on?

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:38 am

:wah:all i know i would vote for Donald Duck before Obama. this is sadly not a laughing matter.

we will truly go to hell in a handbasket if he is elected.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:46 am

Jester;940111 wrote: The fact that the eurpoeans love him is one of the tell tale signs he's bad for america.

Hes the great black hope for europe... maybe he should run for office there.

He wouldn't get in because of his colour and his right wing politics.

posted by accountable

What do you base that conclusion on?

It's just my opinion based on what McCain is coming out with. Or rather what bits I've seen, it's not exactly something I follow closely. I notice Obama was careful not to be too chummy with Gordon Brown who's now on his way out. I still can't believe so many people were fooled in to thinking invading iraq was a sensible idea.,

Happily I don't have to vote for either of them. At least you have a choice all we have are a selection of numpties with all the charisma and ability of a dead budgie.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:46 am

jimbo;940291 wrote: has any one else noticed his name sounds like iraqi ohbomber

if you use spell check. one word it shows for Obama, is BADMAN:wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:03 pm

gmc;940283 wrote: It's just my opinion based on what McCain is coming out with. Or rather what bits I've seen, it's not exactly something I follow closely. I notice Obama was careful not to be too chummy with Gordon Brown who's now on his way out. I still can't believe so many people were fooled in to thinking invading iraq was a sensible idea.,

Happily I don't have to vote for either of them. At least you have a choice all we have are a selection of numpties with all the charisma and ability of a dead budgie.
McCain is far left of Bush and has his own agenda, I think. As for charisma, I almost wish politicians had to hand-write everything and were banned from speaking as long as they campaign or hold office. That way maybe ideas would get the examination they deserve ... and laws would be short.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:24 pm

Accountable;940368 wrote: McCain is far left of Bush and has his own agenda, I think. As for charisma, I almost wish politicians had to hand-write everything and were banned from speaking as long as they campaign or hold office. That way maybe ideas would get the examination they deserve ... and laws would be short. the gentlemen you told me about will be my choice. BOB seems like the man i will cast my vote for. thanks again.

Tan · Post by **Tan** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:47 pm

Obama says stupid things. Bush says things stupidly.

I still love Barrack!

hoppy;931046 wrote: Obama gets a lot of credit for his oratory skills. I've seen and heard him speak, both with a teleprompter in front of him and without. When he's trying to think and talk on his own, he sounds like a stuttering fool. JMHO.:wah:

Dewey2Me1MoThyme · Post by **Dewey2Me1MoThyme** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:52 pm

I'm amazed at how many here have the ability tosee into the future.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:10 pm

southern yankee;940635 wrote: the gentlemen you told me about will be my choice. BOB seems like the man i will cast my vote for. thanks again.

*tips hat* Ma'am.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:26 am

Accountable;940368 wrote: McCain is far left of Bush and has his own agenda, I think. As for charisma, I almost wish politicians had to hand-write everything and were banned from speaking as long as they campaign or hold office. That way maybe ideas would get the examination they deserve ... and laws would be short.

He still seems to have the forever war mentality of the american right. It's going to be very embarrassing when the iraqis ask you to leave-What do you think he will do then-overthrow the iraqi government till they come up with the right attitude? Don't know anything about his domestic policy so I can't comment but left wing in the states would still be right wing here.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:47 am

gmc;940715 wrote: He still seems to have the forever war mentality of the american right. It's going to be very embarrassing when the iraqis ask you to leave-What do you think he will do then-overthrow the iraqi government till they come up with the right attitude? Don't know anything about his domestic policy so I can't comment but left wing in the states would still be right wing here.
That would definitely be the Bush reaction, I think. McCain may indeed stay too long, being a bit paranoid about 'Nam. Obama will treat it as a community organization project and teach everybody basketball.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:15 am

Accountable;940799 wrote: That would definitely be the Bush reaction, I think. McCain may indeed stay too long, being a bit paranoid about 'Nam. Obama will treat it as a community organization project and teach everybody basketball.

The thing is you either went in there to help the iraqis to sort things out and then withdraw or the intention is to stay there because of the oil. Americans need to decide if they want their government to behave like an imperial power, or not, and be prepared to pay for it . If they stay in Iraq that is what they are doing, behaving like an imperial power using their military strength to gain control of a country's resources. Payment is likely to be a bankrupt economy with russia and china sitting building up their own economic strength until america is too weak to be areal threat to them. You won't be the first country going bankrupt making war. We do need a balance of forces but being aggressive in foreign policy does always lead to war. If you attack Iran on your own without nato support you will lose or end up nuking the place in frustration which will bring in russia and china.

Course that could be fantasy but it's as least as realistic as many americans apparently believing islamic fundamentalists are about to invade america and that saddam was behind 911.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:41 am

gmc;941051 wrote: The thing is you either went in there to help the iraqis to sort things out and then withdraw or the intention is to stay there because of the oil. Americans need to decide if they want their government to behave like an imperial power, or not, and be prepared to pay for it . If they stay in Iraq that is what they are doing, behaving like an imperial power using their military strength to gain control of a country's resources. Payment is likely to be a bankrupt economy with russia and china sitting building up their own economic strength until america is too weak to be areal threat to them. You won't be the first country going bankrupt making war. We do need a balance of forces but being aggressive in foreign policy does always lead to war. If you attack Iran on your own without nato support you will lose or end up nuking the place in frustration which will bring in russia and china. You'll get no argument from me there. I'm anxious to read other responses, though.

gmc wrote: Course that could be fantasy but it's as least as realistic as many americans apparently believing islamic fundamentalists are about to invade america and that saddam was behind 911.Where've you been? 9/11 was planned and orchestrated by PNAC, complete with building their very own George W Pinocchio to act like a real boy! :yh_liar

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:22 pm

Well the thread title is "Speak up Obama" so ya gatta read this (paragraph 4): http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motl ... sen-mccain

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:37 am

Jester;941462 wrote: oh boy, I hate replying to Iraq issues because it will lead to endless debates and postings that hash out the same stuff... but I'll comment then leave it open to anyone who wants to debate it further but please do it on another thread.

Iraq was a brilliant and strategic manuever, and despite the slanted news that our media gives to the picture over all the liberation of Iraq worked. Iraq has not collapsed internally, its being rebuilt and it will be better than ever. Im sorry to poo-poo the naysayers, but Iraq has been a success, and you all have given bush the 'responsibility' for it, so he gets the credit too. And in the process we were able to take out a large portion of the mechanism behind international terrorism... the trainers and bombmakers and lieutenants of the major thug terror orgs were located because of the connections through Iraq. And few know it because it is not publicized.

Invaders stay there by force, we're still there by invitation of the government. And they are glad we are there.

Like I said in the garden years ago, Iraq was a good move, it always has been, history will prove it.

Im just sorry only GW will share in the credit, really there were 12 resolutions to liberate iraq and congress agreed to all 12. but since then all the dems except one (liberman) has criticized and or withdrew thier support of it while at the same time feigning troop support... bunch of wussies.

Obama has been an outspoken rejector of the work done in Iraq, Mcain at least supported it, although if he had been president he'd have never attempted it, I still belive McCain is too weak for the CIC job, I think he will not continue to put pressure on terrorism activites like Bush does.

If we let up from figting terrorism we will be hit again and again and again and again, the weaker the president is on this issue the more likely and sooner we will get hit again.

Our external security is the number one issue right now, and no candidate on the scene will do better than Bush has at fighting terrorism, none. And most of you out there have never understood how much the war in Iraq has netted us in terms of information, we learned massive amounts of operational intel about the world terror orgs from how they attacked us in Iraq, they entered and left the country and we got real data on them and we tracked them and we learned and the best way to fight them is to learn about them.

Obama is a joke, hes stupid in fact. He's a junior senator with very little real world dealings, if I was standing in front of him I'd slap him in the face and drag his puny neck to the ground and show him a few scars and names of my dead comrades and as we say in the hood edumacate his butt on the realites of our enemies.

He's pathetic.

Mccain at least understands the hatred of our enemies and the degree which they are willing to go to kill us.

A vote for Obama is a license for islamic terrorists to kill more americans at home and abroad.
You haven't commented on the Candidates on the Military thread so I'll ask you here. Are we justified in keeping all those permanent bases overseas now that the Cold War is over? That was the original justification.

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:23 am

Jester;941462 wrote:

Obama is a joke, hes stupid in fact. He's a junior senator with very little real world dealings, if I was standing in front of him I'd slap him in the face and drag his puny neck to the ground and show him a few scars and names of my dead comrades and as we say in the hood edumacate his butt on the realites of our enemies.

He's pathetic.

You think in terms of violence, and violent solutions. Obama's aproach won't make any sense to you.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:45 am

Jester;943118 wrote: Well now I think you miss understand, in this world the lion doesnt lay down with the lamb unless its to eat the lamb.

The lambs need a protector, not another lamb.

That may well be your world view Jester - thankfully it is not universal.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:09 am

Jester;943153 wrote: You want to leave the weak and undefended to be eatin up and destroyed?

As I said, that's your worldview

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:12 am

Jester;943153 wrote: You want to leave the weak and undefended to be eatin up and destroyed?

My worry is that using a lion to fight the lion, just means twice as many hungry lions.

911 · Post by **911** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:10 pm

gmc;940108 wrote:

If Obama gets in it would be a remarkable achievement that a country that only forty years before was still hanging black people for daring to vote. Obama is interesting for that reason alone. It's quite an achievement getting nominated.

Gosh, golly, gee-whiz, really? Seriously? That's a good reason to make him president? To prove to the rest of the world that we don't hang blacks anymore?

If that is the only reason he is interesting, then that is the reason we shouldn't elect him.

It's not that great of an achievement. Jesse Jackson has been trying to be president for twenty years, but, he can't seem to keep his pants or his lips zipped!:-5

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:40 pm

911;943329 wrote: Gosh, golly, gee-whiz, really? Seriously? That's a good reason to make him president? To prove to the rest of the world that we don't hang blacks anymore?

If that is the only reason he is interesting, then that is the reason we shouldn't elect him.

It's not that great of an achievement. Jesse Jackson has been trying to be president for twenty years, but, he can't seem to keep his pants or his lips zipped!:-5

He never said that was the only reason to vote for him, only that it's a remarkable achievement.

Why are you beating your head against a wall?