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WA. Pigeons Attacked with Darts!

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:52 pm
by RedGlitter
Call them flying rats or what the heck ever, no bird deserves this!



April 29, 2008—Pigeons in Seattle, Washington, are under attack by an unknown assailant with a dart gun, officials say. Local authorities have received several reports of pigeons found in the city center with 3- to 4-inch (7.5- to 10-centimeter) metal darts through their skulls.

At least three birds, including the one pictured here, have been found alive with the needlelike projectiles lodged behind their eyes.

"This is just a horrifying case," Tori Perry, a cruelty case worker for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, told the Seattle Times.

"Someone who would do this to an animal is a short step away from doing this to a human being."

The darts appear to have been fired from a blow gun and have not penetrated the pigeons' brains, Perry said. The injuries, however, are likely to worsen and become infected, resulting in "a very, very painful death," she added. The animal-rights group is offering a U.S. $2,000 reward for information about the attacks.

Meanwhile, local animal-control officials are puzzling over how, if at all, to capture and treat the birds.

"They are quite athletic, good fliers," said Don Baxter, enforcement supervisor for the Seattle Animal Shelter. "They're not hanging around waiting for an officer to get close."

WA. Pigeons Attacked with Darts!

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:13 pm
by WonderWendy3
Awww, thats horrible!:-1

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:34 am
by hoppy
Pigeons are a disease carrying nuisance. In town, I used an air rifle on 'em. In the country, shotguns rule. I had a friend who loved 'em for eating. He took all I could kill.

I have three blowguns. A .40, .50 and a .62. The .40 and .50 are little more than toys. The .62 is a real game getter at close ranges. The pigeons in the article are being shot with the smaller blowguns, most likely.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:46 am
by YZGI
Bastards are going after Steve Martin now..




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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:04 am
by RedGlitter
Hoppy, I had to raise an eyebrow- pigeons carry disease, yet your friend ate them?

I know they're supposed to carry disease but as most things in the public, that carries more weight than what is truth and is spread by people's fear and ignorance.

Here are some comments about pigeons and their disease:

http://www.urbanwildlifesociety.org/zoo ... oonos.html

The following are quotes from credible experts with the REAL FACTS about pigeons and public health:

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TV series segment, Healthier Living, shows how feeding wild pigeons helps relieve the stresses of day to day living.

"...diseases associated with [pigeons] present little risk to people..." Dr. Michael McNeil, Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in Atlanta.

"One man's nuisance is another man's pleasure." "'People worry that pigeons carry disease,' but the danger is 'an exaggeration created by pest control companies looking for business.'" - Guy Hodge, Naturalist for the Humane Society of the United States.

"The New York City Department of Health has no documented cases of communicable disease transmitted from pigeons to humans." - Dr. Manuel Vargas, New York City Department of Health.

"Pigeons are not a public health hazard. Nobody in public health is losing any sleep over pigeons." - Dr. Joel McCullough, Medical Director, Environmental Health, Chicago Department of Public Health.

"[...the Arizona Department of Health Services does] not have any documented human cases of disease which have been definitively linked to outdoor pigeons or pigeon droppings. When cases of diseases are reported (and by law [certain bird related zoonoses are] reportable diseases), VBZD staff conduct complete investigations to confirm the diagnosis and identify the source of infection. …Our case investigation data gathered so far, would suggest that pigeons are not significant as a cause of human disease in Arizona."

“We don’t see pigeon-related-disease problems...” “I don’t think they’re seeing them anywhere..." - Bill Kottkamp, Supervisor, Vector Control, St. Louis County Health Department

"Pigeons do not get avian influenza and don't carry the virus," Dr. Cornelius Kiley, DVM, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Although pigeons have been shown to become infected with West Nile Virus, they do not act as reservoirs and therefore don't transmit the virus..." -Pennsylvania West Nile Virus Surveillance Program.

As a result, pigeons are generally no longer accepted for West Nile Virus testing by other government disease-surveillance agencies in the U.S and elsewhere.

“We do have some concern about the indiscriminate killing of pigeons.” “[For example, histoplasmosis disease rates are] misleading and irrelevant, because histo’s so ubiquitous. It’s in the soil, regardless of whether pigeons are around or not...”- Dr. Marshall Lyon, National Center for Infectious Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta

“Problematic density [affecting human safety] is probably more determined by people getting their possessions defaced.” “I’m not terribly worried about pigeons.” - Dr. Alex Bermudez, University of Missouri-Columbia College of Veterinary Medicine

"I am not aware of any reported cases of diseases that were transmitted by pigeons in Mohave County." - Larry Webert, R.S., Mohave County Environmental Health Division

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And from New York, who knows something about pigeons :D...

Facts about pigeon-related diseases

The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH) has developed this fact sheet to address common questions and concerns regarding pigeon-related diseases.

Pigeons are common to New York City. They often make nests in buildings and rapidly reproduce. Breeding occurs throughout the year, usually taking place between March and July. During these months, the DOHMH often receives questions about possible health risks associated with cleaning pigeon droppings. Contact with pigeon droppings may pose a small health risk. Three human diseases are known to be associated with pigeon droppings: histoplasmosis, cryptococcosis, and psittacosis.

Histoplasmosis

Histoplasmosis is a disease caused by a fungus, which grows in pigeon droppings. It also grows in soils and is found throughout the world. When cleaning droppings a person may breathe in some of the fungus, which in cases of high exposure can cause infection. Common activities, such as cleaning off windowsills, will not result in high exposures.

Symptoms of histoplasmosis begin to appear about 10 days after initial infection and include fatigue, fever, and chest pains. Most people, however, do not show any symptoms. Those with compromised immune systems such as cancer patients or people living with HIV/AIDS are generally more at risk of developing histoplasmosis. The disease cannot be transmitted from person to person.

Cryptococcosis

Cryptococcosis is another fungal disease associated with pigeon droppings and also grows in soils throughout the world. It is very unlikely that healthy people will become infected even at high levels of exposure. A major risk factor for infection is a compromised immune system. According to the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC), nearly 85 percent of cryptococcosis patients are HIV-positive.

Psittacosis

Psittacosis (also known as ornithosis or parrot fever) is a rare infectious disease that mainly affects parrots and parrot-like birds such as cockatiels, and parakeets, but may also affect other birds, such as pigeons. When bird droppings dry and become airborne people may inhale them and get sick.

In humans, this bacterial disease is characterized by: fatigue, fever, headache, rash, chills, and sometimes pneumonia. Symptoms develop about 10 days after exposure. Psittacosis can be treated with a common antibiotic.

Since 1996, fewer than 50 confirmed cases were reported in the United States annually. In New York City, psittacosis is very rare with less than one human case identified each year. According to the CDC, about 70% of infected people had contact with infected pet birds. Those at greatest risk include bird owners, pet shop employees, veterinarians, and people with compromised immune systems. No person-to-person cases have ever been reported.

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I am not for spreading more untruth about what I think is a beautiful and very intelligent bird.

I'm also not for killing off birds because somebody thinks they're a "nuisance." It might be worth remembering that starlings, as just one example, were introduced to a non-native habitat by us humans. I don't see as we've a right to kill them when we put them there to begin with.

WA. Pigeons Attacked with Darts!

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:23 am
by RedGlitter
That's sad.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:37 pm
by Kathy Ellen
hoppy;851553 wrote: Pigeons are a disease carrying nuisance. In town, I used an air rifle on 'em. In the country, shotguns rule. I had a friend who loved 'em for eating. He took all I could kill.

I have three blowguns. A .40, .50 and a .62. The .40 and .50 are little more than toys. The .62 is a real game getter at close ranges. The pigeons in the article are being shot with the smaller blowguns, most likely.


YUK:mad:

I don't like pigeons, but this is totally horrible and nasty to do that to any animal.

It's truly inhumane:-5

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:46 pm
by hoppy
I totally agree, pokin pins in 'em is inhumane. I'd much rather blow the poopin sky rats outa the air with a shotgun but they won't let us do it that way in town.

Yes, they carry disease. ask farmers who have them in barns crappin all over the hay they have to feed their livestock. Maybe you critter huggers should volunteer to clean the poop off buildings, sidewalks, statues etc.

My town had two grain elevators in the downtown area. The sky was full of pigeons all day. Poop everywhere. The elevators were torn down and rebuilt on the edge of town. Then, exterminators were called in to deal with the rest. Town is much cleaner now.

I wonder how you people feel about sewer rats? I kill them too.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:11 pm
by hoppy
RedG said-I'm also not for killing off birds because somebody thinks they're a "nuisance." It might be worth remembering that starlings, as just one example, were introduced to a non-native habitat by us humans. I don't see as we've a right to kill them when we put them there to begin with.

When a mistake is made, like introducing a foreign species, you must try to correct that mistake, not let it alone to multiply out of control.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:27 pm
by RedGlitter
So your idea of correcting a mistake is to kill it?

I don't see much sense in that.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:42 pm
by Carolly
Right let me get this right.......they carry a desease.....there flying Rats.....so why dont we eat Rats and yet we do Pigeon:confused:

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:48 pm
by hoppy
Some people do eat rats. I don't eat rats OR pigeons. I eat squirrels though, a relative of a rat.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:49 pm
by hoppy
RedGlitter;852409 wrote: So your idea of correcting a mistake is to kill it?

I don't see much sense in that.


Nor do I see sense in letting a mistake compound itself.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:52 pm
by Carolly
hoppy;852418 wrote: Some people do eat rats. I don't eat rats OR pigeons. I eat squirrels though, a relative of a rat.Why if there vermin and carry a disease................why?:confused:

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:01 pm
by hoppy
Carolly;852421 wrote: Why if there vermin and carry a disease................why?:confused:


Squirrels are game animals here. Pigeons, rats, english sparrows, starlings etc are pests.

Ever have squirrel head stew? Fried squirrel with sweet taters & gravy? Great eating.

WA. Pigeons Attacked with Darts!

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:10 pm
by Carolly
hoppy;852423 wrote: Squirrels are game animals here. Pigeons, rats, english sparrows, starlings etc are pests.

Ever have squirrel head stew? Fried squirrel with sweet taters & gravy? Great eating.
No cant say I have thankyou and think I will stick to me roast beef:rolleyes:.......still dont understand why some people eat diseased vermin though.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:15 pm
by hoppy
Carolly;852426 wrote: No cant say I have thankyou and think I will stick to me roast beef:rolleyes:.......still dont understand why some people eat diseased vermin though.


The disease is from pigeon poop, not the bird itself. Sewer rats are filthy from their enviroment. Squirrels are clean, tree dwellers. Have not heard of any diseased squirrels. If any are they are probably city squirrels.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:19 pm
by hoppy
There is a guy on a TV show who travels to foreign lands and samples exotic foods. Stuff like fried bats, rats, snake, bugs etc. Both my sons had to eat bugs and snakes while going through ranger training in the army. One developed a taste for snake meat. He prefers it rather than chicken.