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I dont really believe in anything.

I dont believe most of the bible stories but they sound good.

Im totally unsure of how we got here but I dont think it was adam and eve etc...

I would like to believe something, would be nice to think theirs a heaven and that we meet each other in an afterlife but again I dont think this is true as my aunt said she would get in touch and let me know their was after life and she never has and its been 12 years now.

Anyways back to my question: My daughter asked who was gods dad? I had no answer, if you child asked you that question what would be your answer?

Please dont use this thread to bible bash me, or have a pop, I dont need a lecture just interested in your answer.

Hard one this Chez.Ive said this before and I will say it again.Nobody should be allowed to get upset or turn on someone if they do not have the same beliefs as them. What I feel is this..........and if other people do not agree thats upto them and Im sure not going to get into an arguement over it.So much is written that is all man made.....just like religion is.Some people even tend to forget that Jesus and all of his family was Jewish.I believe that Jesue was a good man...........end of.I find it so hard to accept that you will go to hell even if you are a good person if you dont accept that he was Gods son etc.I have been down many routes regarding religion and at the end of it I believe that our God is within us all and he is indeed my Higher Power. But thats all........I love My God.......I believe he has helped me through so many hard times in my life and even at times showed me that he was there for me.None of us know the real truth and yet man kills all in the name of religion.The subject alone causes so many rows.One other thing Chez.........my Chris had a reading some weeks ago.I know all about what Christians think of this "evil" thing and thats entirely upto them but all I know is that I heard that tape and it was bang on.Names, places,songs and even I was mentioned.One of the people that "came" through even gave the "code" that they had agreed to say if ever one of them left this earth.Also without going into to much detail here.........I myself have had many many experiences.You have to let your dear daughter know that one day when she gets older she will understand more and she will see what a hard question that was just like her dear mother did.Chez I have been lucky enough to become I feel one of your friends here and all I know is that your a good, kind person and at the end of the day thats what its all about darlinxx

Some people will want their children to continue the same belief system that they hold and the answers to the child's question will be easy, or they can ask their spiritual leader (minister, preacher, guru etc) how to answer the question. For anyone that is either unsure of their belief system or individualistic about it (believing that religion is a personal experience, different for everyone) they should encourage the child to explore all the different answers that exist and come to their own conclusions.

Myself, I believe that children have more insight into where we come from and what we are as it hasn't been as long since they were unmanifest. It's one of the areas in which, I believe, the child can acquire a better answer than the adult.

This particular question shows the perceptual problem that occurs once we are in human form. We frame our questions about the creative force in a way that asks for an answer that falls within our perceptions of time and space. It is well known that human perception is limited. Dog whistles are a simple example. Why we think the answer to our spiritual questions can be found in a way that makes sense to our limited perceptions is quite a mystery to me.

That's a long version of saying the idea that God is manifest is quite funny to me and that I answered all my daughters religious questions by giving her a multitude of answers from different religions and encouraged her to find the answer herself.

Chezzie;760196 wrote: I dont really believe in anything.

I dont believe most of the bible stories but they sound good.

Im totally unsure of how we got here but I dont think it was adam and eve etc...

I would like to believe something, would be nice to think theirs a heaven and that we meet each other in an afterlife but again I dont think this is true as my aunt said she would get in touch and let me know their was after life and she never has and its been 12 years now.

Anyways back to my question: My daughter asked who was gods dad? I had no answer, if you child asked you that question what would be your answer?

Please dont use this thread to bible bash me, or have a pop, I dont need a lecture just interested in your answer.


Are you sure? i have experienced many "coincidences" and after a while i realised those coincidences did mean something. Sometimes signs are hard to see.

thas a good one chezzie, I am a stronge believer in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Beyond that I guess pretty much my "faith" is in myself. If my child were to ask that question, I would have to tell them first if they believed in god, then likely direct them to their grandmother who very much believes and maybe she could help. My children were raised without religion and at 20 and 17 I would think if they were asking it meant they were maybe considering looking further into some kind of faith.

kazalala;760213 wrote: Are you sure? i have experienced many "coincidences" and after a while i realised those coincidences did mean something. Sometimes signs are hard to see.
I believe that coincidences are caused by God anonymously Kaz.

Chezzie none of us know the answer to this question and in my mind that is how it is to be. We all believe in something even if its not believing in anything.

I respect your belief system as I would anyone's. You are a good person raising your kids a loving family that is what counts to me more than any religion.



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rjwould;760199 wrote: When my kids had asked me that question, I admitted it was a good question and had no logical answer, and that was one of many, many reasons I didn't believe there is/was a living God.

Contrary to popular belief, which I myself believed for many years, I have found it is not necessary to believe in any God. Whatever truth is will not change by my belief or non belief. I have found I have less pressure in my life not believing in a God because I don't have to live defending something that cannot be defended and makes not much sense.


Yes I agree, however a friend said to me the other day that I should believe in something, no matter what IT was as to give me purpose etc...

I think im dense or just too fluffy because I just dont have any feeling for religion but cant think of anything else..(if that makes sense). Same friend (work colleague) who's in her 50's says she has been having these weird thoughts that wake her up and feel like a panic attack but its about dying, about her dying.

I dont have these thoughts but I do lie awake and worry about the bad stuff in the world. I start to say to my self (im usually in bed and trying to drift off) i wonder how many people are hungry,being murdered, raped, abused etc...It upsets me so much sometimes I have tears running down my face. I have spoken to people who say they havent experienced this nor know of anyone who has.

I dont know why, maybe its my worry for my children growing into a world full of violence and hate and greed etc.

opps I went on abit there soz Rj x

Sending hugs and love to you sweetie!!:-4:-4

Carolly;760201 wrote: Hard one this Chez.Ive said this before and I will say it again.Nobody should be allowed to get upset or turn on someone if they do not have the same beliefs as them. What I feel is this..........and if other people do not agree thats upto them and Im sure not going to get into an arguement over it.So much is written that is all man made.....just like religion is.Some people even tend to forget that Jesus and all of his family was Jewish.I believe that Jesue was a good man...........end of.I find it so hard to accept that you will go to hell even if you are a good person if you dont accept that he was Gods son etc.I have been down many routes regarding religion and at the end of it I believe that our God is within us all and he is indeed my Higher Power. But thats all........I love My God.......I believe he has helped me through so many hard times in my life and even at times showed me that he was there for me.None of us know the real truth and yet man kills all in the name of religion.The subject alone causes so many rows.One other thing Chez.........my Chris had a reading some weeks ago.I know all about what Christians think of this "evil" thing and thats entirely upto them but all I know is that I heard that tape and it was bang on.Names, places,songs and even I was mentioned.One of the people that "came" through even gave the "code" that they had agreed to say if ever one of them left this earth.Also without going into to much detail here.........I myself have had many many experiences.You have to let your dear daughter know that one day when she gets older she will understand more and she will see what a hard question that was just like her dear mother did.Chez I have been lucky enough to become I feel one of your friends here and all I know is that your a good, kind person and at the end of the day thats what its all about darlinxx


Yes I hear you Carolly hun and yes a world without love and friendship would be a dark dark place. Im quite open to stuff but havent been opened (oooer):wah:

koan;760211 wrote: Some people will want their children to continue the same belief system that they hold and the answers to the child's question will be easy, or they can ask their spiritual leader (minister, preacher, guru etc) how to answer the question. For anyone that is either unsure of their belief system or individualistic about it (believing that religion is a personal experience, different for everyone) they should encourage the child to explore all the different answers that exist and come to their own conclusions.

Myself, I believe that children have more insight into where we come from and what we are as it hasn't been as long since they were unmanifest. It's one of the areas in which, I believe, the child can acquire a better answer than the adult.

This particular question shows the perceptual problem that occurs once we are in human form. We frame our questions about the creative force in a way that asks for an answer that falls within our perceptions of time and space. It is well known that human perception is limited. Dog whistles are a simple example. Why we think the answer to our spiritual questions can be found in a way that makes sense to our limited perceptions is quite a mystery to me.

That's a long version of saying the idea that God is manifest is quite funny to me and that I answered all my daughters religious questions by giving her a multitude of answers from different religions and encouraged her to find the answer herself.


Hi Koan, nice to see you:-6

Alot of that went over my head, my problem not yours lol.

My children attended a methodist run playgroup/nursery, I was manager of this charity run Nursery. My kids loved it there, no force fed religious lesons, just harvest etc...We would take the children up into the church sometimes, always for any ceremonies.

Now @ 9years and 8 years old they are taught RE at school, they come home full of ramadam, muslim, hinduism facts and love to learn about the different cultures etc...but both say they dont believe in god. Myself and my husband have had no bearing on this, we fully support anything our kids want to do and believe in. My youngest who asked me this question says she also asked her teacher, who replied I dont know, know one knows Molly. Kind of says it all.

My eldest daughter came to me the other day and told me she wants to be a buddist, so I said sure....True to how 9 year olds work, I havent heard anymore about it lol:wah:

kazalala;760213 wrote: Are you sure? i have experienced many "coincidences" and after a while i realised those coincidences did mean something. Sometimes signs are hard to see.


Well I think I would realise like you did wouldnt I?...The coincidences you experienced havent happened to me to make me think other wise hun x

Chezzie;760231 wrote: Hi Koan, nice to see you:-6

Alot of that went over my head, my problem not yours lol.

My children attended a methodist run playgroup/nursery, I was manager of this charity run Nursery. My kids loved it there, no force fed religious lesons, just harvest etc...We would take the children up into the church sometimes, always for any ceremonies.

Now @ 9years and 8 years old they are taught RE at school, they come home full of ramadam, muslim, hinduism facts and love to learn about the different cultures etc...but both say they dont believe in god. Myself and my husband have had no bearing on this, we fully support anything our kids want to do and believe in. My youngest who asked me this question says she also asked her teacher, who replied I dont know, know one knows Molly. Kind of says it all.

My eldest daughter came to me the other day and told me she wants to be a buddist, so I said sure....True to how 9 year olds work, I havent heard anymore about it lol:wah:


:wah:I think that was a good and truthful answer. I think its ok to say i dont know in answer to childrens questions sometimes,,, and they seem to accept it

minks;760214 wrote: thas a good one chezzie, I am a stronge believer in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Beyond that I guess pretty much my "faith" is in myself. If my child were to ask that question, I would have to tell them first if they believed in god, then likely direct them to their grandmother who very much believes and maybe she could help. My children were raised without religion and at 20 and 17 I would think if they were asking it meant they were maybe considering looking further into some kind of faith.


Sometimes I feel guilty for not having got married in a church, had my kids christianed and attend church, only due to peer pressure as I have no desire whatsoever to be a hypocrit. Thanks for that Minks, sounds like my life and if my kids grow up as yours have, I'll know I havent gone far wrong :-6

CARLA;760224 wrote: Chezzie none of us know the answer to this question and in my mind that is how it is to be. We all believe in something even if its not believing in anything.

I respect your belief system as I would anyone's. You are a good person raising your kids a loving family that is what counts to me more than any religion.


Thanks Carla, my little Hawaiin angel x:-6

kazalala;760233 wrote: :wah:I think that was a good and truthful answer. I think its ok to say i dont know in answer to childrens questions sometimes,,, and they seem to accept it


Yes I agree totally Kaz, however when that teacher is trying to teach them the bible and cant answer their question it confuses them. If their in a math lesson and ask a question, they get an answer, same as in English, History, Geography but not RE.

Im not slating the bible by any means, I would be a hypocrite if I did because I havent read it all and im not informed enough.

I just find it hard to be the parent I want to be when my child asks me these questions. I want to give them a totally unbiased answer but as their are so many different answers to lots of these questions its a toughie, especially the question she asked yesterday that No-one knows..:wah:

WonderWendy3;760229 wrote: Sending hugs and love to you sweetie!!:-4:-4


awwww received and feeling all mushy inside...your a gorgeous darling :-4

Chezzie;760236 wrote: Yes I agree totally Kaz, however when that teacher is trying to teach them the bible and cant answer their question it confuses them. If their in a math lesson and ask a question, they get an answer, same as in English, History, Geography but not RE.

Im not slating the bible by any means, I would be a hypocrite if I did because I havent read it all and im not informed enough.

I just find it hard to be the parent I want to be when my child asks me these questions. I want to give them a totally unbiased answer but as their are so many different answers to lots of these questions its a toughie, especially the question she asked yesterday that No-one knows..:wah:


it is a difficult one yes because religion believing in God etc. is just about having blind faith. Im not quite sure myself,, and that would be my answer i suppose because that would be the truth and my own opinion, and i suppose thats the way i would put it across, that its something that is personal to each person and you eventually make up your own mind (or not:wah:) as you go through life. Right im definately rambling now, i dont know why i involve myself in these situations:wah:Anyway you dont always have to have the answer as a parent, but you can still discuss things without having to come to some sort of final conclusion.

Hope you can understand my ramblings

Chezzie;760234 wrote: Sometimes I feel guilty for not having got married in a church, had my kids christianed and attend church, only due to peer pressure as I have no desire whatsoever to be a hypocrit. Thanks for that Minks, sounds like my life and if my kids grow up as yours have, I'll know I havent gone far wrong :-6


I was raised within the catholic faith, and that was all I got out of it, the golden rule and believing in myself. I raised my children to choose what they wanted to believe in, they did not attend catholic school, they went to "public" school which meant no religion was taught basically. I remember one day my youngest coming home asking me to write a note to the teacher to excuse her from class because they started to talk about religion in some country they were studying in social studies and I simply told her, ... you are being taught about another countries beliefs, it doesn't mean anyone (mostly your teacher) is trying to get you to believe in religion. She was satisfied with that and stayed in class. I did tell her afterwards that if she wanted to know more about religion I would gladly take her to her grandmas and let them discuss it and assured her, her grandmother was very knowledgeable and would not push to hard. It never took place mind you.

A good book to read on this topic is "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong. She writes and interesting and scholarly account of the history of man's belief in God.

It is interesting that many claim the Buddhists do not believe in God. This is, however, untrue. Their position is much like mine. They refuse to discuss the existence of God because they believe that the divine power behind creation cannot be described or defined in human language. God is above and beyond existence. None of our words or phrases can deal with the topic. In fact they do not like the term "God" because:

"This is largely because theists use the word "God" in a limited way to refer to a being who is not very different from us.. Like the sages of the Upanishads, the Buddha insisted that nirvana could not be defined or discussed as though it were any other human reality.

Attaining nirvana is not like 'going to heaven' as Christians often understand it. The Buddha always refused to answer questions about nirvana or other ultimate matters because they were 'improper' or 'inappropriate.' We could not define nirvana because our words and concepts are tied to the world of sense and flux. Experience was the only reliable 'proof'.' His disciples would know that nirvana existed simply because their practice of the good life would enable them to glimpse it." pg 31-32, "A History of God", Karen Armstrong.

If you wish a Buddhists comments on Nirvana I can give a quote.

Shalom

Ted:-6