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America, Russia, Japan and Canada. These 4 countries came to this conference with one mission. To derail the process and insure that no binding targets were set for any CO2 emissions at all. Well, despite some pretty hard efforts to stop them they got their way and we have an agreement that is not worth the paper its written on as its an agreement to do nothing. The main culprit is the US, whose administration will go down in history as the most irresponsible, and destructive bunch of idiots that nation has ever had as leaders. I mean that.

Well, you can forget anything being done that will have any difference on the climate for about the next 10 years. Truly pathetic, we are facing a global catastrophe of biblical proportions and all that the US and its cronies can do is bang on about their profit margins and their economic philosophies, and throw insults at the countries that are trying to do the hard work of reducing their emissions. We are running out of time, the planet is heating up, we don't have any targets for reduction at all for reducing any CO2, and the world will continue to increase CO2 emissions regardless of the consequences, in my opinion we are screwed, as there isn't a chance we will get anything done in time now to prevent a climate catastrophe. :-5

Not only that, but all the private jets that were flown to Bali were a huge waste of resources and left a lot of carbon emissions for basically a tropical holiday for the big shots. It'd be ironic if it wasn't so repulsive.

jimbo;740502 wrote: i totally agree



dr g this seems to hail a new breakthrough ,its probably propaganda from Gorden brown

whats your view on this please hoff







http://uk.yahoo.com/r/nw/fd/0/*http://u ... 96_10.html


I think its way too little, way too late. The politicians are just not taking this seriously and thats the truth. Its not just the U.S.'s fault, all of our countries seem to not be able to grasp how little time they have, and what the consequences are. But those 4 countries that I mentioned are the main offenders, or at least their leading politicians are. Its not fair to blame the ordinary people.

Certainly in England (as opposed to Ireland, Scotland, Wales, as I'm not sure what coverage they had), the media said very little about this conference - if more had been reported I think maybe protests would have taken place before the conference was concluded.

Post edited by Nomad because his reply was off topic, frivolous and unrelated to the conversation.

lemon_and_mint;740580 wrote: Certainly in England (as opposed to Ireland, Scotland, Wales, as I'm not sure what coverage they had), the media said very little about this conference - if more had been reported I think maybe protests would have taken place before the conference was concluded.


ok i know it was a foregone conclusion before they even met.

Nomad;740637 wrote: Chocolate Fudge Recipe

2 1/2 c Sugar

1/2 c Margarine or butter

2/3 c Evaporated milk

1 Jar (7 oz.) marshmallow creme

2 c Semi sweet chocolate chips

3/4 c Chopped walnuts

1 ts Vanilla

Line 9 inch square or 13x9 inch pan with foil so that foil extends over sides of pan; butter foil. In large saucepan, combine sugar, margarine and evaporated milk. Bring to a boil over medium heat, stirring constantly. Boil 5 minutes, stirring constantly. Remove from heat. Add marshmallow creme and chocolate chips; blend until smooth. Stir in walnuts and vanilla. Pour into buttered, foil-lined pan. Cool to room temperature. Score fudge into 36-48 squares. Refrigerate until firm.

Remove fudge from pan by lifting foil; remove foil from sides of fudge. Using large knife, cut through scored lines. Store in refrigerator.

Makes about 3 pounds--36-48 squares


Nomad, don't be flippant !! :-5 :rolleyes:

G#Gill;740659 wrote: Nomad, don't be flippant !! :-5 :rolleyes:




Ok.

Galbally;740496 wrote: America, Russia, Japan and Canada. These 4 countries came to this conference with one mission. To derail the process and insure that no binding targets were set for any CO2 emissions at all. Well, despite some pretty hard efforts to stop them they got their way and we have an agreement that is not worth the paper its written on as its an agreement to do nothing. The main culprit is the US, whose administration will go down in history as the most irresponsible, and destructive bunch of idiots that nation has ever had as leaders. I mean that.

:-5 Well, you can forget anything being done that will have any difference on the climate for about the next 10 years. Truly pathetic, we are facing a global catastrophe of biblical proportions and all that the US and its cronies can do is bang on about their profit margins and their economic philosophies, and throw insults at the countries that are trying to do the hard work of reducing their emissions. We are running out of time, the planet is heating up, we don't have any targets for reduction at all for reducing any CO2, and the world will continue to increase CO2 emissions regardless of the consequences, in my opinion we are screwed, as there isn't a chance we will get anything done in time now to prevent a climate catastrophe.


And they have the audacity to call it a compromise!

Sickening

Bryn Mawr;741476 wrote: And they have the audacity to call it a compromise!

Sickening


I am forced to agree. Well, we just have to get on with it, at this rate there isn't a lot of point in being angry as these countries are just not listening, and its my opinion that until there is a change in government, or events catch up with us, these 4 countries will continue to turn a blind eye to the problem. The most important thing for EU governments to do is to press on with putting new technologies and systems in place to enable their nations to generate power without (at the very very least) increasing CO2 levels, and in my opinion that means nuclear power and renewables, as well as a much reduced role for fossil fuels into the future, it will be diffcult to cut CO2 emissions by 50 percent by 2050, but not impossible, unfortunatly we probably need to go further than that as well. More research should be funded and encouraged into devleoping sustainable energy systems and practices as well as environmental remediation programs. And also very importantly governemnts need to upgrade infrastructure and also get better national emergency plans in place for the events that are inevitably going to happen such as major floods, droughts, very powerful storm systems, soil erosion, disruption to growing seasons and shifts in seasonal patterns etc. If we set the example it will benefit us, and hopefully will show the way forward for both accepting the reality of this problem and the need for local, national, and international action by ordinary people, business and government.

Scrat;741618 wrote: Want some even worse news? Russia has begun a program to further exploit the forest resources of Siberia. They are going to be chopping them down at an increasing rate in the years to come.

The northern forests are one of our remaining primary exchangers of atmospheric CO2. So much so in fact that there is proof positive that they do tangibly affect the Co2/Oxy exchange cycle.


Oh thats brilliant, what a great move by the Russians. There is also a lot of Methane trapped in the permafrost of the artic region of Siberia, now its not the Russians governemnt's fault that this area is warming up rapidly and thawing out, but you would think that they would realize that there is something drastically wrong, when their own scientists are telling them that the region is warming rapidly. But from what you are saying it seems they are not only ignoring the problem, but they are going out of their way to get rid of one of the very large CO2 sinks that we have left. God help the lot of us.