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A lot of people spend their whole lives wondering if they've

made a difference...

THE MARINES DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.





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and true:p

Neither did the SS, come to that, for similar reasons - wherever they went there was a trail of dead bodies left behind them.

I think the best bumper sticker I ever saw was:

'Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus'

valerie;708935 wrote: A lot of people spend their whole lives wondering if they've

made a difference...

THE MARINES DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.





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I like it Val! will have to find one for my nephew!



as for the marines being like the SS comment..I'd like to see you say that to a marine's face! :wah:

Sheryl;709511 wrote: as for the marines being like the SS comment..I'd like to see you say that to a marine's face! :wah:


Why's that, Sheryl? The similarity seems obvious to me - they wear uniforms and they have a legal immunity to kill people who can't fight back. They combine an obsession for honour with an inability to practice it.

You know spot, I'm not gonna argue with you. You obvisiouly have some sort of chip on your shoulder and frankly I don't give a damn about your haughty taughty attitude toward the U.S.A.

That's better than being called an anti-semite at least. I wondered whether you'd implied I might be subject to physical violence, that's all.

Nexis tells me that "marines" within 20 words of "massacre" provides "More than 3000 Results" searching All English Language News.

Here's this month's Washington Post, for example - is this honourable? It's about "Eight members of the Camp Pendleton, Calif.-based 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, were accused of crimes stemming from the killing of 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in November 2005.":A Marine testifying under immunity Friday said he saw Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich shoot five unarmed Iraqi men moments after a roadside bomb exploded in Haditha in November 2005, a week after Wuterich said that if such an attack occurred, "we should kill everybody in that vicinity."

You could add "Seven Marines and a Navy corpsman from the Camp Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment were accused of kidnapping and murdering a man in Hamdania, Iraq, in April 2006" as well if you like.

What proportion of events end up prosecuted, would you guess? One in a thousand?

Then there's Fallujah... "I saw with my own eyes during the April 2004 siege, where I sat in a clinic and watched men and women and young kids brought in, all saying they had been shot by snipers, when Marines pushed into the city, couldn't take the city, so they set up snipers on rooftops and just started a turkey shoot, which was exactly how it was described by one of the soldiers I ran into when I was leaving that city. [...] Indiscriminate bombings, snipers, war crimes being committed on the ground by hand, by U.S. Marines, as well, during that siege. And all of these are, of course, gross breeches of the Geneva Conventions. They are war crimes. And there is photographic evidence. There is video evidence. Doctors there to this day will talk to you about what happened."

You don't remember the wedding party massacre, I suppose?Shihab was one of the casualties of an American raid on Mukaradeeb, an Iraqi town close to the Syrian border. According to the Guardian, the town's residents had concluded a wedding feast and were sleeping in their homes when, at 3:00 a.m., American forces descended on the 25-house village and began to strafe terrified residents. Of the 42 resulting deaths, all reported by the nearest hospital, 11 were women and 14 children. The incident has not been investigated by the U.S. military.

Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division that hit Mukareeb, employed a mixture of defiance and intimidation in his correspondence with the Guardian: "How many people go to the middle of the desert ... to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the nearest civilization? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive." The story continues:

When reporters asked him about footage on Arabic television of a child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied: "I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologize for the conduct of my men."

Brown Daily Herald via U-WIRE, March 2007

A lot of people spend their whole lives wondering if they've made a difference... THE MARINES DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

valerie;708935 wrote: A lot of people spend their whole lives wondering if they've

made a difference...

THE MARINES DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.





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Very Patriotic and I like it!! *insert thumbs up dude here*:-6

spot;709524 wrote: That's better than being called an anti-semite at least. I wondered whether you'd implied I might be subject to physical violence, that's all.

Nexis tells me that "marines" within 20 words of "massacre" provides "More than 3000 Results" searching All English Language News.

Here's this month's Washington Post, for example - is this honourable? It's about "Eight members of the Camp Pendleton, Calif.-based 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, were accused of crimes stemming from the killing of 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in November 2005.":A Marine testifying under immunity Friday said he saw Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich shoot five unarmed Iraqi men moments after a roadside bomb exploded in Haditha in November 2005, a week after Wuterich said that if such an attack occurred, "we should kill everybody in that vicinity."

You could add "Seven Marines and a Navy corpsman from the Camp Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment were accused of kidnapping and murdering a man in Hamdania, Iraq, in April 2006" as well if you like.

What proportion of events end up prosecuted, would you guess? One in a thousand?

Then there's Fallujah... "I saw with my own eyes during the April 2004 siege, where I sat in a clinic and watched men and women and young kids brought in, all saying they had been shot by snipers, when Marines pushed into the city, couldn't take the city, so they set up snipers on rooftops and just started a turkey shoot, which was exactly how it was described by one of the soldiers I ran into when I was leaving that city. [...] Indiscriminate bombings, snipers, war crimes being committed on the ground by hand, by U.S. Marines, as well, during that siege. And all of these are, of course, gross breeches of the Geneva Conventions. They are war crimes. And there is photographic evidence. There is video evidence. Doctors there to this day will talk to you about what happened."

You don't remember the wedding party massacre, I suppose?Shihab was one of the casualties of an American raid on Mukaradeeb, an Iraqi town close to the Syrian border. According to the Guardian, the town's residents had concluded a wedding feast and were sleeping in their homes when, at 3:00 a.m., American forces descended on the 25-house village and began to strafe terrified residents. Of the 42 resulting deaths, all reported by the nearest hospital, 11 were women and 14 children. The incident has not been investigated by the U.S. military.

Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division that hit Mukareeb, employed a mixture of defiance and intimidation in his correspondence with the Guardian: "How many people go to the middle of the desert ... to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the nearest civilization? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive." The story continues:

When reporters asked him about footage on Arabic television of a child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied: "I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologize for the conduct of my men."

Brown Daily Herald via U-WIRE, March 2007

A lot of people spend their whole lives wondering if they've made a difference... THE MARINES DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.


Ok if your gonna post snippets of articles, post a link. Posting just snippets doesn't give everything the articles state, just what you want me to see! 3000 hits huh! Did you look at them all to make sure they where about Marines committing massacres? I did a search using British and massacres and came up with over 11 pages of hits. Oh and I used yahoo for my search.

Yes there are bad apples in the Marines, the Navy, the Army, and the Air Force. However to compare the whole branch of the Marines to the SS is just uncalled for.

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.

The MARINES don't have that problem."

President Ronald Reagan - 1985

i don't know when it was made into a bumper sticker, or when it was mass produced! why do you ask?

Ya'll do realize that we have members here with sons, spouses and other relatives who are Marines?

No actually, I think having a bumper sticker, or window decal on your car shows support for the troops. No one I know of thinks of the war as "football game".

I think it's just insulting to compare a branch of the U.S. Military that has been around since 1775 to the SS Nazi's. :-5

Sheryl;709528 wrote: Ok if your gonna post snippets of articles, post a link. Posting just snippets doesn't give everything the articles state, just what you want me to see! 3000 hits huh! Did you look at them all to make sure they where about Marines committing massacres? I did a search using British and massacres and came up with over 11 pages of hits. Oh and I used yahoo for my search.

Yes there are bad apples in the Marines, the Navy, the Army, and the Air Force. However to compare the whole branch of the Marines to the SS is just uncalled for.


I didn't get them from URLs, I got them from searching news articles on the Nexis database - I said I'd got them there. I did mention what the original articles quoted were.

Anyway, I've googled each to get a URL for you, here they are:

Natalie Smolenski '07: War: The surest path to war crimes

What Happened at Haditha

Squad Leader Shot Haditha Civilians, Marine Testifies

A glance Camp Pendleton troops involved in 2 high-profile cases (that's an AP report, it'll have appeared in a lot of other papers as well, I picked one at random there).

Google kept pointing me at this thread when I did the searches, I had to fight my way past to find the original.

Do you really want to broaden this to "the Navy, the Army, and the Air Force" as well? I thought we were discussing General Mattis and his unrestrainable mercenary dogs of war, among whom there may be bad apples. I still think they kill on command. I don't think the deaths of civilians weigh heavily on the mind of their commanders. General Mattis enjoys killing, he said as much very explicitly once.

No spot I don't want to branch out. I just want folks to realize that comparison being made is an insult to many people. Several who are members of this forum. that's it...is it that hard to understand.

magenta flame;709536 wrote: Why is there a huge thing about nazi's all of the sudden the Waffen SS were a branch of the military, and yes Sheryl they are comparable to the Waffen SS.. I think peeps have to understand what exacly a Nazi is.



And I'm sorry, bumper stickers is giving it a football fan mentality


And that's your opinion about bumperstickers. But you know what they say about opinions!

I know what a Nazi is, but the Marines were around a long time before the Nazi's. :rolleyes:

Sheryl;709539 wrote: No spot I don't want to branch out. I just want folks to realize that comparison being made is an insult to many people. Several who are members of this forum. that's it...is it that hard to understand.


There are a lot of grandchildren of members of the SS alive too. The difference is that they're not, in the main, proud of what their relatives were responsible for. I can't see the grandchildren of today's Americans looking back on this period of history with anything but shame.

You may be right spot, about future generations and their opinions of current military affairs. However the fact still stands the comparison made is an insult to todays and yesterdays Marines.

Sheryl;709542 wrote: You may be right spot, about future generations and their opinions of current military affairs. However the fact still stands the comparison made is an insult to todays and yesterdays Marines.


It was, as I'm sure you already understand, intended as one.

Those are military reenactment groups. The only similiarity between the Marines and Waffen-SS is that both were frontline fighters. :rolleyes: Your grasping for straws now!

Hehee we have civil war reenactment groups too, should I start worrying bout the south rising again?

Sheryl;709551 wrote: Those are military reenactment groups. The only similiarity between the Marines and Waffen-SS is that both were frontline fighters. :rolleyes: Your grasping for straws now!The main difference between today's US Marines and the Waffen-SS is that today's US Marines all volunteered, they weren't conscripted. It's plain silly to regard all members of the Waffen-SS as war criminals. The reason both groups are so poorly regarded lies in the amoral administrations they acted to support. Members of the Waffen-SS at least had the excuse that they were drafted into service.

magenta flame;709555 wrote: It's not that I think you 'DON'T' understand Sheryl. It's more the fact that you 'WON'T' understand.

Your bumper sticker has already been turned around against the marines. You don't see that do you?

Oh well one day you will .


You are awfully condescending for one so ignorant of the US military.

Go fix your own country.

spot;709548 wrote: It was, as I'm sure you already understand, intended as one.




spot;709553 wrote: The main difference between today's US Marines and the Waffen-SS is that today's US Marines all volunteered, they weren't conscripted. It's plain silly to regard all members of the Waffen-SS as war criminals. The reason both groups are so poorly regarded lies in the amoral administrations they acted to support. Members of the Waffen-SS at least had the excuse that they were drafted into service.


magenta flame;709555 wrote: It's not that I think you 'DON'T' understand Sheryl. It's more the fact that you 'WON'T' understand.

Your bumper sticker has already been turned around against the marines. You don't see that do you?

Oh well one day you will .


Thank you, you've both proved to me what self-righteous anything American haters you are. :-6

magenta flame;709534 wrote: Yep and that is why your bumper sticker offends myself and others . I hardly think a war and the troops within that war should be regarded as players in a football game with teams you support plastered all over your vehicle. It should be a little more serious than that dont' you think?


like writing a song about it?

Sheryl;709585 wrote: Thank you, you've both proved to me what self-righteous anything American haters you are. :-6


It's not actually true, I have a huge well of sympathy for the majority of Americans, I think they're among the most downtrodden and abused people on earth and I'd love to see their working conditions and lifestyle improved. It distresses me that with so much wealth the country can leave the majority of its population in such poverty and need. I have very little sympathy for its politicians and oligarchs though, I think they're self-servers at a trough of plenty.

spot;709597 wrote: It's not actually true, I have a huge well of sympathy for the majority of Americans, I think they're among the most downtrodden and abused people on earth and I'd love to see their working conditions and lifestyle improved. It distresses me that with so much wealth the country can leave the majority of its population in such poverty and need. I have very little sympathy for its politicians and oligarchs though, I think they're self-servers at a trough of plenty.


you're funny!

spot;709597 wrote: It's not actually true, I have a huge well of sympathy for the majority of Americans, I think they're among the most downtrodden and abused people on earth and I'd love to see their working conditions and lifestyle improved. It distresses me that with so much wealth the country can leave the majority of its population in such poverty and need. I have very little sympathy for its politicians and oligarchs though, I think they're self-servers at a trough of plenty.


:wah: omg...seriously :wah:

Sheryl;709601 wrote: :wah: omg...seriously :wah:


seriously!

spot;709602 wrote: seriously!


seriously?

you know what's really offensive?

Australians singing country music! What is up with that?? :wah:

sunny104;709604 wrote: seriously?
Here's a couple of quotes to illustrate what I was thinking of. I'm almost picking at random here, but it ought to indicate that there are problems where you seem to suggest I'm mistakenThis is the Mayor of St Paul, Minnesota: It will come as no surprise that the recession and the deteriorating economy is having a growing profound impact on quality of life of families in America's cities. But what will come as a surprise, I think, is the fact that the situation is getting even worse at higher levels than we even thought. We're seeing significant increases in the demand for food at shelters, at soup kitchens. We're seeing more and more people who would not necessarily -- we would understand to be people in need of food services five, six, seven, eight, ten years ago are now finding themselves in soup lines. These are principally women, children, families. So America is facing a very serious crisis here at home [...] On the hunger front this year, we found that requests for emergency food assistance increased in surveyed cities by an average of 26 percent. We found troubling that 17 percent of the requests go unmet. In 82 percent of the cities both -- we found that food is used by individuals both in emergency and as a steady source of food. Employment-related problems led the list of causes for hunger in our cities. Relating to homelessness, we found that requests for shelter this year increased by an average of 13 percent. No city, no city reported a decrease in the amount of homelessness this past year. And a troubling 15 percent of the requests for shelter went unmet in our cities this year. The lack of affordable housing led the list of causes why homelessness continues to exist in our cities. On average, when we think of homelessness -- and there is more of a breakdown in the report who these homeless are -- but again this year the trend continues that 35 percent of the people that are homeless are families and children, and children comprise a quarter of those that are homeless.

This is from a policy paper produced by the US Department of Health and Human Services: "Every society influences mental health treatment by how it organizes, delivers, and pays for mental health services. In the United States, services are financed and delivered in vastly different ways than in other nations. That organization was shaped by and reflects a unique set of historical, economic, political, and social forces, which were summarized in the SGR (DHHS, 1999). The mental health service system is a fragmented patchwork, often referred to as the "de facto mental health system" because of its lack of a single set of organizing principles (Regier et al., 1993). While this hybrid system serves a range of functions for many people, it has not successfully addressed the problem that people with the most complex needs and the fewest financial resources often find it difficult to use. This problem is magnified for minority groups [...] Ethnic and racial minorities in the United States face a social and economic environment of inequality that includes greater exposure to racism and discrimination, violence, and poverty, all of which take a toll on mental health. Living in poverty has the most measurable impact on rates of mental illness. People in the lowest stratum of income, education, and occupation are about two to three times more likely than those in the highest stratum to have a mental disorder. Racism and discrimination are stressful events that adversely affect health and mental health. They place minorities at risk for mental disorders such as depression and anxiety.

One more? The Millennial Housing Commission Report to Congress: "There is simply not enough affordable housing. The inadequacy of supply increases dramatically as one moves down the ladder of family earnings. The challenge is most acute for rental housing in high cost areas, and the most egregious problem is for the very poor. Other troubling signs, according to the MHC: More than 28 million Americans now spend more that 30 percent of income on housing; working a full-time job no longer guarantees access to decent housing, and the homeownership rate for black and Hispanic Americans remains 27 percent below the national average [...] Public housing agencies (PHAs) are encumbered by federal regulations that undermine local decision-making authority and make it difficult for PHAs to provide quality housing to low-income families. For example, the centralized system of public housing funding -- wherein funds flow to PHAs as a whole and not to individual properties -- makes it difficult for PHAs to finance needed capital improvements through the private markets. Meanwhile, federal funding for such activities has fallen short by approximately $20 billion to date.

I'm just being goofy with you, Spot!

I just don't see that our poor people are any worse off than any other "western" country or whatever we're called now. You make it sound like there are children laying in the streets with flies and buzzards circling their emaciated little bodies.

sunny104;709639 wrote: I just don't see that our poor people are any worse off than any other "western" country or whatever we're called now. You make it sound like there are children laying in the streets with flies and buzzards circling their emaciated little bodies.


You think the lack of flies and buzzards is enough to provide a good quality of life? I never mentioned buzzards but I bet the flies are there.

There's a relevant fact-sheet at http://www.endhomelessness.org/files/15 ... _Feb07.pdf

Every year 600,000 families with 1.35 million children experience homelessness in the United States, making up about 50 percent of the homeless population over the course of the year. Homeless families, mothers, fathers, grandparents, and children are scattered across the country. Families experiencing homelessness live in urban, suburban, and rural areas, sleeping in shelters, cars, motels, and abandoned buildings. The existing — and most conclusive — research identifies the lack of affordable housing as the primary cause of homelessness among families in the United States. This is both because there is an inadequate supply of affordable housing and because incomes are so low that families cannot pay for the housing that is available. The rising cost of housing, accompanied by declining wages, creates conditions that put families at risk of losing their housing and makes it even more difficult for families to find housing once they become homeless.That, believe me, is worse than any other Western country by orders of magnitude.

spot;709660 wrote: You think the lack of flies and buzzards is enough to provide a good quality of life? I never mentioned buzzards but I bet the flies are there.

There's a relevant fact-sheet at http://www.endhomelessness.org/files/15 ... _Feb07.pdf

Every year 600,000 families with 1.35 million children experience homelessness in the United States, making up about 50 percent of the homeless population over the course of the year. Homeless families, mothers, fathers, grandparents, and children are scattered across the country. Families experiencing homelessness live in urban, suburban, and rural areas, sleeping in shelters, cars, motels, and abandoned buildings. The existing — and most conclusive — research identifies the lack of affordable housing as the primary cause of homelessness among families in the United States. This is both because there is an inadequate supply of affordable housing and because incomes are so low that families cannot pay for the housing that is available. The rising cost of housing, accompanied by declining wages, creates conditions that put families at risk of losing their housing and makes it even more difficult for families to find housing once they become homeless.That, believe me, is worse than any other Western country by orders of magnitude.


we have 300 million people here, if you're just going to look at numbers then of course we would always be the highest in pretty much anything.

One for you Spot. Now do the percentages.



The charity Crisis estimates that some 380,000 people are without a home, almost equal to the population of Manchester. It projects that this figure could rise to one million by 2020 on present trends.

In its report Hidden Homelessness: Britain’s Invisible City, Crisis emphasises, “There are far more Hidden Homeless people than is officially recognised and the problem has only been partially understood and only partly tackled.

These people are “hidden homeless since they only manage to keep off the streets by staying in various forms of temporary accommodation. The charity estimates some 75,000 people stay in bed & breakfast lodgings, 10,000 are squatters, 220,000 share overcrowded accommodation with friends or family, with 70,000 being in a household only under sufferance. The rest are those at “imminent risk of eviction. For many, such “temporary accommodation is far from temporary, with some homeless people being shunted from one hostel or b&b establishment to another for several years.

The soaring cost of housing in recent years also has the potential to bring about a rapid rise in homelessness. As the UK house price bubble in the 1980s showed, a rapid rise in interest rates can quickly translate into mortgage defaults and compulsory repossessions, forcing people out of their homes. In 2002, MORI Social Research Institute found that more than one in five people struggled to pay their rent or mortgage because of financial insecurity and the high cost of housing in many areas.

Crisis calculates that the cost of this “hidden homelessness is £1.4 billion every year. A significant proportion of this is due to the lost or diminished incomes and taxes of the homeless, but almost half represents the cost to the public purse of providing housing benefit and accommodation payments.

The “hidden homeless are predominantly young and single, since there still exists a statutory duty for local authorities to provide accommodation to those with dependant children.

Centrepoint, a London charity that helps young people with a wide range of problems, provides a bed for over 500 homeless young people every night in the capital. Black and ethnic minority youth represent almost 60 percent of the people helped.

Amongst some hidden homeless populations, Crisis found 33 percent suffered mental ill health. “A high proportion of Hidden Homeless people have more complex problems including mental ill health and addiction. They are urgently in need of specialist help including psychiatric assessment and care, detox and rehabilitation support. Many are not in touch with specialist drug or mental health workers and few are even registered with a GP [doctor], according to the charity.

Other estimates put the percentage of homeless people experiencing mental health problems as high as 50 percent, with a large proportion also suffering from drug and alcohol misuse. The detrimental health impact of homelessness—with high rates of TB, respiratory and skin diseases—is underlined by the fact that rough sleepers have an average life expectancy of just 42, according to homeless charity Shelter.

According to Shelter, families in temporary accommodation “experience significantly more health problems than the general population. Homeless children are twice as likely to need hospital admission for accidents and infectious diseases. Children in homeless families suffer more with behavioural problems and mental ill health is “significantly higher among homeless mothers and children.

Those without a permanent address have far greater difficulties gaining employment. Many employers will not consider someone who provides a hostel or bed & breakfast lodgings as an address. Thus the single homeless are caught in a vicious circle, without a job they are unlikely to secure decent accommodation, without a fixed address they struggle to gain permanent employment.

The Labour government has rejected the figure of hidden homeless outlined by Crisis and claim there are “only 97,290 homeless households. Even if each household equates on average to two people, this would still put the figure at almost 200,000!

New Labour established a Rough Sleepers Unit (RSU), which claims to have removed over two thirds of those sleeping on the streets of the UK. Even if this figure is accepted—and there is evidence to suggest it is open to question—as the Crisis report shows, the result has only moved the problem out of sight, off the streets and into the hidden world of hostels and other temporary accommodation. Some charities have disputed the RSU figures, citing examples where the homeless are moved off the streets for one night only, which just happens to be the night on which the official count is taking place.

According to www.homeless.org.uk, “for every one person counted during a street count, there are approximately ten times the number sleeping rough over a period of a year.

For New Labour, homelessness, like every other social ill produced by the capitalist system, is viewed through the “law and order prism. The Rough Sleepers Unit used high-pressure tactics, including the threat of arrest, to move people into hostels and other temporary accommodation. At the same time, Labour pioneered a campaign against so-called “aggressive begging, criminalising the destitute, while gutting other social programmes and support for poor families.

* * *

Hidden Homelessness: Britain’s Invisible City

Available from the Crisis website: http://www.crisis.org.uk/hidden/

See Also:

Britain: families depend on credit to survive

[22 June 2004]

Britain: Young workers face poverty in old age

[14 June 2004]

Britain: Sunday Times details enormous gains for the super-rich

[14 May 2004]



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sunny104;709668 wrote: we have 300 million people here, if you're just going to look at numbers then of course we would always be the highest in pretty much anything.
Come on sunny, there's a world of difference. England has a sixth of your population and there's 600-700 people sleeping outdoors rough on any given night in the entire country. Any of your major cities would beat that figure easily. Socialism cares enough to provide a safety net for people in that position. Two out of three US families even eligible for your meagre housing subsidies don't receive them because of lack of federal funding.

YZGI;709670 wrote: One for you Spot. Now do the percentages.Wiseguy, can you at least recognise that you're not producing equivalent figures? That article explicitly states that the majority of those they include in their total "share overcrowded accommodation with friends or family". We need a parallel definition of homelessness before we can find a comparison.

spot;709671 wrote: Come on sunny, there's a world of difference. England has a sixth of your population and there's 600-700 people sleeping outdoors rough on any given night in the entire country. Any of your major cities would beat that figure easily. Socialism cares enough to provide a safety net for people in that position. Two out of three US families even eligible for your meagre housing subsidies don't receive them because of lack of federal funding.


it's so much easier to have deep conversations in person!



do you think that perhaps it just isn't possible to help some people? How much do you think the government should do for some of these people? The programs are there to provide low cost or free services: housing, food, transportation, health care, etc.

there are plenty of people who work their asses off everyday to keep a roof over their head and food on the table without "help" from anyone.

What do you think is the main contributing factor to becoming homeless?