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Knowledge begets responsibility which begets guilt

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:12 am
by coberst
Knowledge begets responsibility which begets guilt

Guilt is both a curse and a salvation. I conclude that guilt is perhaps one of the few internal mechanisms that can prevent human self-destruction.

Rational analysis and recognition of self preservation can drive us to correcting problems that have immediate and visible impact on our life but it is this internal friction we call guilt upon which we must depend for avoiding long term consequences resulting from our behavior.

Guilt is difficult to analyze because it is ‘dumb’. It is a feeling of being blocked and frustrated without knowing why we feel that way. This develops when embraced by powerlessness while clutched by the unknown. Guilt is a bind of life.

A feeling of guilt emanates from our peculiar ability to apprehend life’s totality but unable to move in relation to it. “This real guilt partly explains willing subordinacy to his culture: after all, the world of men is even more dazzling and miraculous in its richness than the awesomeness of nature. Also, subordinacy comes naturally from man’s basic experience of being nourished and cared for; it is a logical response to social altruism.—Ernest Becker.

Stewardship-- the conducting, supervising, or managing of something... the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care...

Stewardship is a word used often in the Bible and was at one time used often in England. It was used in England because the youth of the landed aristocracy was taught that they were responsible for the care of the family properties in such a way that they passed on to the next generation an inheritance equal to but more appropriately larger than that received. Each generation was not the owner but was the steward for the family estates. Any individual who squandered the inheritance was a traitor to the family.

I am inclined to think that each human generation must consider itself as the steward of the earth and therefore must make available to the succeeding generations an inheritance undiminished to that received.

In this context what does "careful and responsible management" mean? I would say that there are two things that must be begun to make the whole process feasible. The first is that the public must be convinced that it is a responsible caretaker and not an owner and secondly the public must be provided with an acceptable standard whereby it can judge how each major issue affects the accomplishment of the overall task. This is an ongoing forever responsibility for every nation but for the purpose of discussion I am going to speak about it as localized to the US.

Selfishness and greed are fundamental components of human nature. How does a nation cause its people to temper this nature when the payoff goes not to the generation presently in charge but to generations yet to come in the very distant future? Generations too far removed to be encompassed by the evolved biological impulse to care for ones kin.

How is it possible to cause a man or woman to have the same concern for a generation five times removed as that man or woman has for their own progeny?

I suspect it is not possible, but it does seem to me to be necessary to accomplish the task of stewardship.

Guilt may be our only hope for human acceptance of the responsibility of stewardship.

Knowledge begets responsibility which begets guilt

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:13 pm
by watermark
Hi-

Guilt as emotion has to have some redeeming value :wah: I'm not sure that guilt is what will save humanity from its destruction, I'm more inclined to think love will be the compelling force for us all to get our acts together. Guilt could have a part to play in uncovering our concern our love for one another that ultimately drives us to construct a better tomorrow. For myself I already feel very selfish in probably 80% of all 'things' I do on a daily basis. Most of the everyday things I do are for my own benefit or for those immediately surrounding me like family members. I have a real blind spot when it comes to considering others far removed from my daily activities. TV shots, newspaper articles, radio announcements really I feel nothing in the end listening to them. It takes that shark to bite me on the butt to realize all the common daily occurrences around the world could affect me. I'm taking a quote from that stupid movie gawd what's the name of it I can't even remember oh yes 'Jaws' when the knowledgeable scientist tells the myopic mayor or whoever he was that until someone close to him was attacked by this great white shark he would not believe that the threat existed. Guilt is a useless emotion in most respects since it is caused in my opinion by a delay of action that could have dealt with the momentary problem in such a way that there wouldn't have been the guilt in the first place. Maybe there is guilt from the regret of not taking an action at the moment and also guilt from taking an action that wasn't the best for all concerned. At any rate I appreciate this forum and will spend little time feeling guilty about what I wrote because I feel that at this time in my life I'm compelled to write illogical mutterings in response to others' mutterings or even logical thoughts but that since this is the internet all these things like this are insignificant in the scheme of things and probably matter little to changing the world for our future generations. Do you agree?

No need to reply I just wanted to say this,

Erin

Knowledge begets responsibility which begets guilt

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:25 pm
by coberst
backpab;694652 wrote:

I am wondering whether the emotion of shame is more "apt". Fear of social stigma and fear of ridicule depend upon a collective consensus of opinion. Whether that opinion is right or wrong. A collective opinion to look after this planet would possibly shame those not interested into action and responsibility. What do you think? Hope I have the right end of the stick, its been a long day!

Cheers,

BP


How can there be fear of social stigma if society has no interest in stewardship. Shame seems to be a dying experience it seems. The problem is how do we acquire the collective opinion to look after this planet. I do not think that reason will do it.

Knowledge begets responsibility which begets guilt

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:31 pm
by coberst
watermark

Your comment "For myself I already feel very selfish in probably 80% of all 'things' I do on a daily basis" is, I think, the key.

Guilt happens. It is a human experience that is there no matter what we do. The problem is how to harness this part of human nature.

Reason is there automatically but it seems to me that reason is not strong enough to do the job when sacrific is today and the payoff is far into the future and I do not get the payoff. With guilt however the guilt nags at me and my way to receive relief is to do something to rid myself of guilt.