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Stardust;677399 wrote: I'm not against people smoking cannabis if they need it to resolve any aches or pains that they are suffering from. Some people find it useful for medicinal purposes when everything else they have had from a doctor has failed.



However, I hate it when people openly smoke the stuff in streets and on buses, it really gets on my nerves. I worry about the kids who are around this kind of stuff and the harm it can cause to them. I also worry about the harm that it can cause to me when I'm around these addicts. I don't smoke at all, not even tobacco and although I don't like the smell of anything that people smoke, I'm more annoyed by the cannabis users.



Am I the only one who thinks this way or has this drug now become more socially accepted in society?




no your not alone there :mad:



i read the other day that it only takes one joint to double your chances of developing schizophrenia

Stardust;677399 wrote: I'm not against people smoking cannabis if they need it to resolve any aches or pains that they are suffering from. Some people find it useful for medicinal purposes when everything else they have had from a doctor has failed.

However, I hate it when people openly smoke the stuff in streets and on buses, it really gets on my nerves. I worry about the kids who are around this kind of stuff and the harm it can cause to them. I also worry about the harm that it can cause to me when I'm around these addicts. I don't smoke at all, not even tobacco and although I don't like the smell of anything that people smoke, I'm more annoyed by the cannabis users.

Am I the only one who thinks this way or has this drug now become more socially accepted in society?


I think that has what has happened, I don't smoke it, I don't even like the smell it gives me a headache. I have many friends that do smoke it and thats cool as long as it isn't near me.

My son who is 12 has mentioned that a friend the same age as him smokes pot, apparently his Dad gives it to him, WTF?????

SuzyB;677408 wrote: I think that has what has happened, I don't smoke it, I don't even like the smell it gives me a headache. I have many friends that do smoke it and thats cool as long as it isn't near me.



My son who is 12 has mentioned that a friend the same age as him smokes pot, apparently his Dad gives it to him, WTF?????




exactly the stupid dad could be on an earner there ,he will never make any money giving his drugs away

jimbo;677411 wrote: exactly the stupid dad could be on an earner there ,he will never make any money giving his drugs away


:-5:-5 Is it any wonder I am losing my marbles!!

SuzyB;677414 wrote: :-5:-5 Is it any wonder I am losing my marbles!!




the kid swaps your marbels for drugs its an outrage :-3

I don't go for smoking it in public unless you live in Amsterdam, but I also don't say that it only be for people in pain.

If we have booze for anyone who wants a buzz then why not grass? Nobody whines about people getting cirrhosis!

IMO it should be made available legally to any adult who wants it!

jimbo;677411 wrote: exactly the stupid dad could be on an earner there ,he will never make any money giving his drugs away


or he could have developed schizophrenia shortly after smoking his 1st joint and the voices are telling him to recruit his son.....



:wah:

'[love wrote: light;677479']or he could have developed schizophrenia shortly after smoking his 1st joint and the voices are telling him to recruit his son.....





:wah:




oh i get it then sell the drugs to his sons mates ...i'm with you now :wah::wah:

We all know my opinion (see thread "Marijuana"). I'm not going to repeat myself, I promise

I smoke while driving home after a long, hard day at work. I smoke on my front porch. I smoke on patios at bars.

As long as the smoke is not enveloping you in a cloud of doom, then, really, why let it get to you?

Pot is pot. Stoned people are 98% harmless. I sure as heck know that AF is less likely to have a crazy fit of road rage if we've been smoking.

Live and let live...

or if you can't do that, ban it all... caffiene, cigarettes, alcohol, refined sugar, fried foods, preservatives, gasoline powered cars, factories, etc...

they all cause some damage to your body and the environment.

::the end::

jimbo;677482 wrote: oh i get it then sell the drugs to his sons mates ...i'm with you now :wah::wah:


its all a conspiracy to recruit the children to an evil army....



:sneaky:

someday we WILL take over.

mwah ha ha haaaaaa.

It bothers me no more than smoking around me which as you all know I hate :D

Just out of interest would you (those that smoke it) drive after having a joint? Surely it's dangerous, it must slow down the reflexes

SuzyB;677488 wrote: It bothers me no more than smoking around me which as you all know I hate :D

Just out of interest would you (those that smoke it) drive after having a joint? Surely it's dangerous, it must slow down the reflexes


I actually pay MORE attention to the road, drive less aggressively, and have less road rage.

Unfortuneately, I have driven drunk & that is DIFFICULT. Keeping your eyes on the road is difficult & keeping the car in between the lines is difficult.

Drinking and smoking are COMPLETELY opposite from each other. I hate drinking, I rarely do it.

'[love wrote: light;677493']I actually pay MORE attention to the road, drive less aggressively, and have less road rage.

Unfortuneately, I have driven drunk & that is DIFFICULT. Keeping your eyes on the road is difficult & keeping the car in between the lines is difficult.

Drinking and smoking are COMPLETELY opposite from each other. I hate drinking, I rarely do it.


I love drinking and intend to do lots more of it :sneaky::sneaky:;)

'[love wrote: light;677493']I actually pay MORE attention to the road, drive less aggressively, and have less road rage.



Unfortuneately, I have driven drunk & that is DIFFICULT. Keeping your eyes on the road is difficult & keeping the car in between the lines is difficult.



Drinking and smoking are COMPLETELY opposite from each other. I hate drinking, I rarely do it.




i on the other hand drink too much for my own good ,but i do not drink and drive .... i tend to spill it :rolleyes::rolleyes:

almostfamous;677496 wrote: I do, all the time, if anything I'm more focused, to be completely honest.



I'm sooooooooo high strung and have the attention span of an ant most days but when I smoke I'm relaxed, and way more aware of my surroundings. Gotta keep an eye out for the man after all.

Seriously though, I by no means plan to smoke for the rest of my life, well, unless they make it legal :rolleyes: which they won't, not in my lifetime anyway. As far as pot goes tho, I just don't consider it a 'drug', neither do my parents who are pentecostal and 'squares'. My mom smoked a joint with me the other night. She was having a panic attack and so I offered. I would MUCH RATHER her smoke a joint than take all the xanax, oxycontin, I could continue into the next page of meds they've put her on in the last 10 years.



I could seriously go on and on but I think maturity is the main factor in deciding whether or not you should smoke. I, personally, should


PMSL:wah: Turning every opportunity into a man hunt, love it :wah:

Lord, Suzy, I didn't even catch that. We've gotta get Beffie a effin' man before her goodgirl files a lawsuit claiming abandonment.

sheesh.

Its probably more dangerous to toke up on the golf course than driving. Trust me on this one.

YZGI;677508 wrote: Its probably more dangerous to toke up on the golf course than driving. Trust me on this one.


pshhhhh.

been there done that.

'[love wrote: light;677511']pshhhhh.



been there done that.
How many times did you shoot to the wrong holes?:wah:

YZGI;677514 wrote: How many times did you shoot to the wrong holes?:wah:


what holes??? It was all about chasing the rodents in the golf cart.

:wah::wah:

'[love wrote: light;677516']what holes??? It was all about chasing the rodents in the golf cart.



:wah::wah:




joining the rat race :wah::wah:

'[love wrote: light;677516']what holes??? It was all about chasing the rodents in the golf cart.



:wah::wah:
And them little suckers always head for the lakes.

With all due respect Stardust, why would I believe something you just got off a website? Who's behind it? Why does it deserve credence?

That's like asking the Womens Christian Temperance Union if booze is okay.

And no Suzy, I would never smoke and drive any more than I would ever drink and drive. Ever.

yea, RG, there are so many conflicting reports on the web. its pointless to try and decifer the truth. promarijuana websites put out information that directly contradicts antimarijuana websites. i choose to draw my information from what i know... me, my life, my experiences, my friends/family, & my health.

ill tell you this:

- i have been smoking for many years, and i am not schizo, nor do i have any mental problems (hush jimbo & YZGI)

-again, breathing in polluted city air & eating fast food has the same detriment to your physical wellness.

-i seriously seriously do not believe in the new claims that it is physically addictive.

-if a teenager is in rehab for marijuana its because of parental hysteria, but yes there is an age, as alcohol, when kids don't KNOW how to be responsible

take care, all, i'm celebrating getting an A in my summer semester with josh tonight!

almostfamous;677529 wrote: well, i was actually referring to the po-po's, the fuzz, 5-0 nigga duck! :wah: ya know that 'man'



ahem.


Jim pointed that out to me after I'd posted, opps



RedGlitter;677561 wrote: With all due respect Stardust, why would I believe something you just got off a website? Who's behind it? Why does it deserve credence?

That's like asking the Womens Christian Temperance Union if booze is okay.

And no Suzy, I would never smoke and drive any more than I would ever drink and drive. Ever.




:-6 I do believe it would effect the way in which you respond to things, the same as drink would



'[love wrote: light;677585']yea, RG, there are so many conflicting reports on the web. its pointless to try and decifer the truth. promarijuana websites put out information that directly contradicts antimarijuana websites. i choose to draw my information from what i know... me, my life, my experiences, my friends/family, & my health.

ill tell you this:

- i have been smoking for many years, and i am not schizo, nor do i have any mental problems (hush jimbo & YZGI)

-again, breathing in polluted city air & eating fast food has the same detriment to your physical wellness.

-i seriously seriously do not believe in the new claims that it is physically addictive.

-if a teenager is in rehab for marijuana its because of parental hysteria, but yes there is an age, as alcohol, when kids don't KNOW how to be responsible

I would be devasted if my kids started doing any drugs, maybe thats fear because I have seen what some friends have become

take care, all, i'm celebrating getting an A in my summer semester with josh tonight!


Well done swat :-4

jimbo;677407 wrote: no your not alone there :mad:



i read the other day that it only takes one joint to double your chances of developing schizophrenia


When I got to a cocktail party my name tag reads

"Hi...my name is Brian, Rob, Peter"

I consider this unrelated to anything that might have happened in the 70"s.

I'm sorry Stardust, but grass is not going to make someone incestuous. If they try to pull something like that, there is an underlying problem going on.

Now if we were talking hard drugs, I might believe that, as those can affect in all sorts of ways.

Yes,I fully support medical and recreational use of it, and I appreciate that you aren't trying to change my or anyone else's mind about it. In the same respect, I won't try to change yours. Thank you for being so nice about it.

Stardust;677830 wrote: RG and LL, I believe but I may be wrong, that you are both for the use of cannabis, this of course is something that you have a belief in and I will not invalidate what you believe.

However, I do know that my eldest brother smokes it and he drives more erratically, is very withdrawn in himself and is very out ethics. When he started on his use of drugs, it made him think that it was "okay" to try and take advantage of his young daughter whilst she was asleep in her bed. Luckily nothing happened as he left the bedroom when I told him to go.

Another thing I have noticed with my eldest brother is that he has to take the substance in higher doses as each time he needs to get the same effect first time around, he has to take more of it to get the same effect. (The same could also be said of alcohol too) It makes me very sad to see him this way. :-1

Finally, whenever he drinks and smokes cannabis, he always tries to justify his reason for taking cannabis by saying that drinking is more harmful. In truth, drugs stay in the body for up to 7 days but if taken over a considerable length of time, it never leaves the body. Therefore, when a person wants to give up the habit, they can't because the residuals are still left in the body causing them to continually want to use it. Whereas with alcohol, it leaves the body after 24 hours.


Stardust;677832 wrote: Mostly though, people take a drug for an underlying reason and until that reason is found, a user will continue to take the drug. I have seen people have realisations from discovering the TRUE reason for taking a drug and suddenly have no need to take it anymore. The only thing drugs do is suppress the problem, the problem does not go away. When the person comes off the drug, the problem then becomes much worse than it was the first time around.
To me it sounds as if the second post qualifies the first. It definitely sounds as if your brother has some issues even before he lights up. Could he be using the grass as an excuse for his behavior?

Well you aren't the only one who thinks that way. On some mornings as I was leaving for work at about 7:30 as I walked out the door of the building I lived in, there was a man (whose race I won't write here) who was walking by and freely and openly puffing on a joint as he walked towards me on the sidewalk. I could get a whiff of the crap as he walked by and I was over whelmed by a huge puff of stinking smoke. I swear it pissed me off so bad. That has happened twice in the last 6 months.

:mad:

cinamin;677997 wrote: Well you aren't the only one who thinks that way. On some mornings as I was leaving for work at about 7:30 as I walked out the door of the building I lived in, there was a man (whose race I won't write here) who was walking by and freely and openly puffing on a joint as he walked towards me on the sidewalk. I could get a whiff of the crap as he walked by and I was over whelmed by a huge puff of stinking smoke. I swear it pissed me off so bad. That has happened twice in the last 6 months.

:mad:

I don't think it's cool to be walking down the road with it or advertising what you're doing any more than I think booze in a paper bag fools anyone but I am really tired of grass being vilified. Do something with the drunks on the road before you talk to me about grass.And Cinamin, what the heck, I suppose only blacks and mexicans smoke, huh? Lemme guess, the offending pothead was one of those. Maybe he was Egyptian.

I was wondering, are there any or some of the same proposed passive harmful effects of being around someone smoking cannibis as there are being around someone smoking just tobacco?

almostfamous;678071 wrote: I just wanted to say one last thing in each of these pot threads. First off, I understand the stigmas of marijuana but know from almost a decade of use that EVERYONE is made different and should know their limitations. Not many people do, with any vice for that matter. And yes, I do recognize it for what it is, a vice. But for now, me keeping a 'cool head' takes precedence. LIke I said in one of these threads. I'm pretty high strung at times and it mellows me out. I rarely get "stoned" or even buzzed for that matter.





While I don't believe that pot, itself, and ALONE can cause any of the issues people blame it for I do know that it can lead to other things for those who are unable to use it wisely. I'm sorry if you or someone you know was harmed directly or indirectly by its use but you need to be pointing your finger at the person. THEY and only they are responsible for their actions.



Nothing infuriates me more than for people to say that someone did this or did that because of a drug. No. THEY decided to pick up the vice and do something off the richter and/or dispicable and THEY should be held accountable. Quit enabling them is my only advice.




good post AF:-6







as the old saying goes" let he who is without skins get stoned first "

No deaths recorded from pot usage. Not a single one. Can you say that about alcohol or prescription drugs? Nope. Hell, even 'over the counter' drugs can kill you.

Steev;1289320 wrote: No deaths recorded from pot usage. Not a single one. Can you say that about alcohol or prescription drugs? Nope. Hell, even 'over the counter' drugs can kill you.


Oh well, that makes it all ok. I feel so much better now about kids indulging in a "gateway" drug. Go for it kiddies. Get high and tune out.

hoppy;1289330 wrote: Oh well, that makes it all ok. I feel so much better now about kids indulging in a "gateway" drug. Go for it kiddies. Get high and tune out.:(Show me where marijuana is a gateway drug like alcohol. Remember, no "could be's." allowed.

If you're an example of being tuned in then we're better off tuned out.

Ahso!;1289365 wrote: Show me where marijuana is a gateway drug like alcohol. Remember, no "could be's." allowed.

If you're an example of being tuned in then we're better off tuned out.


Well, here's a starter, zombie.

Nitrites and Gateway Drugs

Gateway Drug Facts | eHow.com

Ecstasy and Gateway Drugs: Initiating the Use of Ecstasy and Other Drugs

hoppy;1289373 wrote: Well, here's a starter, zombie.

Nitrites and Gateway Drugs

Gateway Drug Facts | eHow.com

Ecstasy and Gateway Drugs: Initiating the Use of Ecstasy and Other DrugsWhile I see your point, I'm wondering whether or not you've read the material yourself.

The idea of gateway drug use is debatable and highly suspect to begin with. Also in your second link the gateway begins with tobacco, moves to alcohol and then on to marijuana and so on.

The third link is pretty vague in many respects.

The first link looks at this from more of a behavioral perspective from what I can gather.

I personally don't buy into the gateway theory myself. My knowledge is from personal experience and that of the experiences of others I've known.

I of course can counter with opposite views but I won't bother. Marijuana is a natural substance and need not be chemically treated for affect, though sometimes it is treated, has a track record of non-violence (as opposed to alcohol, which invokes violent tendencies), marijuana has no known long term side affects attached to it (unlike alcohol), and has many medical benefits (which alcohol does not).

In summary, your behavior is much worse than mine and yet you seem to take an opposite position to that fact. But then, you are Hoppy. Merely because your lobbying group has done a better job than mine, doesn't really mean (since alcohol is legal and marijuana is not) much.

hoppy;1289373 wrote: Well, here's a starter, zombie.


Aspirin and Tylenol are gateway drugs to Oxycontin!



The goose has no use for the gander anymore.



Google "The Union: the business behind getting high"



I don't want any state, Doctor or Pharm corp dictating I can't use my med of choice. The most beneficial and least harmfull of them all.



My Asthma is GONE. No side effects.

Marijuana is a gateway drug. Always has been, always will be. Its just common sense. If you are a risk taker, enough to try one illicit and illegal drug, then you'll probably tell yourself, "Well, that didn't hurt me. I'll try something else next." Same goes for beer. There's no one I know who didn't try beer, then graduate later to the harder liquors. just like shoplifting is a gateway crime. It's human psychology. We could quote stats all day long, but like I said, it's just common sense.

Let's ask our resident stoney, Ahso!, have you ever tried anything harder than marijuana? Yes?

I rest my case.

Amythest;1289394 wrote: Aspirin and Tylenol are gateway drugs to Oxycontin!


Yup. But of course, since Oxycontin is very hard to get usually, people try other things for their pain.



I don't want any state, Doctor or Pharm corp dictating I can't use my med of choice. The most beneficial and least harmfull of them all.


Beneficial? Billions of dollars in increased medical costs and insurance costs? That's not beneficial to anyone. Least harmful? With drug murders skyrocketing and drug gangs tearing apart whole countries?



My Asthma is GONE. No side effects.


How's this for a side effect?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/us/23border.html

DRUG VIOLENCE SPILLS OVER INTO THE US

Since officials here formed a special squad last year to deal with home invasions, they have counted more than 200 of them, with more than three-quarters linked to the drug trade. In one case, the intruders burst into the wrong house, shooting and injuring a woman watching television on her couch. In another, in a nearby suburb, a man the police described as a drug dealer was taken from his home at gunpoint and is still missing.

Tucson is hardly alone in feeling the impact of Mexico’s drug cartels and their trade. In the past few years, the cartels and other drug trafficking organizations have extended their reach across the United States and into Canada. Law enforcement authorities say they believe traffickers distributing the cartels’ marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs are responsible for a rash of shootings in Vancouver, British Columbia, kidnappings in Phoenix, brutal assaults in Birmingham, Ala., and much more.

Of course, you probably think that has nothing to do with you.:rolleyes:

Saint_;1289452 wrote: Yup. But of course, since Oxycontin is very hard to get usually, people try other things for their pain.





Beneficial? Billions of dollars in increased medical costs and insurance costs? That's not beneficial to anyone. Least harmful? With drug murders skyrocketing and drug gangs tearing apart whole countries?





How's this for a side effect?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/us/23border.html

DRUG VIOLENCE SPILLS OVER INTO THE US

Since officials here formed a special squad last year to deal with home invasions, they have counted more than 200 of them, with more than three-quarters linked to the drug trade. In one case, the intruders burst into the wrong house, shooting and injuring a woman watching television on her couch. In another, in a nearby suburb, a man the police described as a drug dealer was taken from his home at gunpoint and is still missing.

Tucson is hardly alone in feeling the impact of Mexico’s drug cartels and their trade. In the past few years, the cartels and other drug trafficking organizations have extended their reach across the United States and into Canada. Law enforcement authorities say they believe traffickers distributing the cartels’ marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs are responsible for a rash of shootings in Vancouver, British Columbia, kidnappings in Phoenix, brutal assaults in Birmingham, Ala., and much more.

Of course, you probably think that has nothing to do with you.:rolleyes:


I'm sorry sir but you are sadly misinformed.It doesn't have anything to do with me but your Gov. is responsible.It looks like you get your info from mainstream media. Good luck with that.

Do you like your mind being twisted up with lies and fear tactics?

Making drugs illegal creates crime and YOUR own Gov supports the illegal drug trade, clandestinely, to create dissension and chaos in poor neighborhoods. It helps fill the Privately owned, for profit jails.

Alcohol prohibition never caused any problems? Prohibition creates and fosters crime. You'll never rid the world of drugs. So legallizing and regulating is the best thing. Allowing the legal sales brings capital into Gov coffers.

The gov so far controls and regulates Opium production for pain meds.

Legalising and taxing will obliterate the foriegn illegal drug trade that you so hate. Empowering people will deal with the issues that create addictions and rampant drug abuse.

Ron Paul understands.

Amythest;1289466 wrote: I'm sorry sir but you are sadly misinformed.It doesn't have anything to do with me but your Gov. is responsible.It looks like you get your info from mainstream media. Good luck with that.


I don't need the government to understand that smoking kills. I've seen it personally.

Do you like your mind being twisted up with lies and fear tactics?


I'm a half-century old. Believe me, I've heard it all and seen it all. I form my own opinions based on experience.

Alcohol prohibition never caused any problems? Prohibition creates and fosters crime. You'll never rid the world of drugs. So legallizing and regulating is the best thing. Allowing the legal sales brings capital into Gov coffers.


Well I might agree with you there, but then alcohol STILL causes us all kinds of problems, doesn't it? The best bet is what I'm trying to do for you... educate you. If we can educate our youth, eventually all the drug users will die off and the future generations will move past this destructive behavior.

[QUOTE=Saint_;1289472]I don't need the government to understand that smoking kills. I've seen it personally.



Smoking Tobacco kills. Specifically tailored cigarettes There is no proof that Marijuana has killed anyone with Cancer or emphysema. If there are deaths related to Marijuana use they would be far less than automobile accidents or a lightening strike.

Those who worry about the risk of smoking cannabis use vaporizers, or put it in their cooking. When it was legal it was very common to extract the cannabinoids into a tincture.

" The use of Cannabis by Western Medicine goes all the way back to the days of Galan (a writer of Medical Books) and the Roman Empire. However its use seems to have been very limited and applied only to minor medical uses.

However, all that would change in 1839, with the publication of an article "On The Preparations of the Indian Hemp, or Gunjah"[1] by Dr. Walter O'Shaughnessy,[2] who at the time was a young but already well know physician residing in India.

Most historians agree that it was O'Shaughnessy, who more than anyone else, helped publicize the medical uses of Cannabis. He had learned about Cannabis, while in India (from Mohammedan and Hindu physicians), and upon returning to England, quickly went about lecturing about the subject. Not only did he talk about its medical uses, but also lectured about its pharmaceutical preparations and manufacturing techniques. "

source:Cannabis Tinctures and Fluid-Exctracts: | Cannabis As Medicine

On that site you can view photos of antique Cannabis Tincture bottles. It's hard to find this info on the net but there are various Books and movies that provide the historic use of cannabis. This webpage i provide has the links to these sources. The Union is the best film put out yet.

The only time cannabis was deamed harmfull and/or illegal was when the rise of pharmacology, and modern medicine began synthsizing HERBAL drugs in the lab, reproducing their benefits. This in turn created a process of banning Traditional medicinal practices so the profits went to a single governing body.

I'm a half century old too. Have no health problems as of yet. Take NO drugs ( especially pharmaceuticals) am the proper weight and am physically fit. I stopped having asthma problems when i stopped taking Bronchial dilators, steriod based puffers and quit tobacco. That was when i was in my twenties.

I decided to go holistic when some serious side effects, from a Pharm Drug, almost made me lose my eyesight at 26 yrs old! I haven't had any issues since then. I was treated by a homeopath, instructed about the dangers of Pharm drugs, was told the truth about what i was taking ( the doctors all lied to me, and hid the truth so I wouldn't sue) and i never looked back.

Yea. I've experienced and seen it all myself. Except now I only have one good eye. I want to keep it!;)