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I'm confused. Aren't Destiny and Fate the same thing?

Also, tmbsgrl, I can live with contradictions but do you believe we make our own choices or do you believe in fate? If you believe in both then clarify when you think each applies and how they combine.

My response is that it is up to us to make our own choices but there is Fate mixed in that gives us little check points that we are meant to arrive at along the way. If we don't make it to a check point at some time fate will give us pushes to help us arrive. I believe fate and destiny are the same thing.

Angie wrote: Do you think our destiny is already chosen?? Or is it truly fate??? Are our lives paved or do we make our choices?



The life long old question put in front of you. And exactly when do we know when to throw in the towel on certain obstacles. Is it integrity that keeps us going. When do we start to learn by past mistakes and take our bumps.

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We humans in a free country are absolutely the victims/beneficiaries of our choices. That does'nt mean that unplanned things, or events beyond our control won't interfere with our plans.



Hopefully, all of life is a learning experience from which we adjust or fine tune our choices. Destiny effects from where we start, and helps determine where we end, but the journey is ours to choose.

Angie wrote: Do you think our destiny is already chosen?? Or is it truly fate??? Are our lives paved or do we make our choices?

The life long old question put in front of you. And exactly when do we know when to throw in the towel on certain obstacles. Is it integrity that keeps us going. When do we start to learn by past mistakes and take our bumps.

Brushin off the dust, ridin the same horse isn't so easy as we get older.

Angie

A person who does not learn by mistakes is condemned.


In my opinion, destiny and fate are same.]



Our destiny is determined by our actions in previous births. The situations which come before us are the results of these actions. We have two choices, one to face them and mould them in our favour, two to surrender before them and late destiny take its own course. A human being with positive attitude will select choice one, but one with negative attitude will go for choice two. Our decisions are also influnced by many factors both under our control and not under our control.

Which choice is yours?

Have you ever felt that you are running your own life and then suddenly WHAM! It's as if someone else has taken over your mind just for a moment, and guides you through some challenge? Unexpected...strange...and yet very comfortable.



Anyone experience this?

A Karenina wrote: Have you ever felt that you are running your own life and then suddenly WHAM! It's as if someone else has taken over your mind just for a moment, and guides you through some challenge? Unexpected...strange...and yet very comfortable.



Anyone experience this?


Sounds like my last marriage.... had my own life and wham along comes some one who over time I found out was only in the arrangement to suit his controlling ways.

Sorry not likely what you were lookin for it was meant to be humorous

Not experienced what your talking about yet but it sounds nice.

I am ambivalent about this subject. I believe certain things happen for reasons. I look back on the paths that my life took, and I realize that certain things would not have happened in the same ways if I hadn't made specific choices. For example: I would have never met the man I will marry, if I hadn't blown up at a previous employer over something relatively small. Was I being guided to my new place of employment just to meet this man? And here's a conundrum for you: Say that everyone's lives are mapped out, there's a plan for everyone and regardless of the choices they make for themselves, their lives WILL absolutely follow the path preordained for them. How do you explain the lunatic who goes "postal" and mows down 47 people, some of them very young children, in the streets? Was it the destiny of those children to only live to that young age? It's a very tricky subject, one filled with paradoxes. I'd like to have the answers, but then, how much fun would that be? No mystery, no wondering....I have no answers. Am I just babbling, here?

"Life" (Destiny/Fate) is what happens "while" you're making plans!

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BabyRider wrote: Am I just babbling, here?
Yup, .....can't possibly be by choice, must be pre-ordained. :sneaky:

There is no such thing as FATE. Fate is the result of choices that will, or have already been made. Some will say that the result of a bad choice is FATE because they will not accept responsibility for their choices.

Lon wrote: There is no such thing as FATE. Fate is the result of choices that will, or have already been made. Some will say that the result of a bad choice is FATE because they will not accept responsibility for their choices.


What about when you make a choice or decision then go about trying to take action on it only to find all paths suddenly blocked? Here's an example. I had to find a place to live with only two weeks before I was leaving town. I went to look at places every day for about 8 days and every time something prevented me from getting the place ie) the found out their partner had just rented it while on their way to meet me. I finally gave up and put all my stuff in storage. When I returned I had the idea to live in a different area and found a place the first appointment I made. So I decided to live in one area and Destiny prevented me because living in the other area turned out to be in my best interest. When I find obstructions in my path I tend to step back now and reconsider the choice that I had made.

koan wrote: What about when you make a choice or decision then go about trying to take action on it only to find all paths suddenly blocked? Here's an example. I had to find a place to live with only two weeks before I was leaving town. I went to look at places every day for about 8 days and every time something prevented me from getting the place ie) the found out their partner had just rented it while on their way to meet me. I finally gave up and put all my stuff in storage. When I returned I had the idea to live in a different area and found a place the first appointment I made. So I decided to live in one area and Destiny prevented me because living in the other area turned out to be in my best interest. When I find obstructions in my path I tend to step back now and reconsider the choice that I had made.
I call that scenario, circumstances, not fate or destiny, but then that's just me.

It's a very interesting question. The different responses have provoked a lot of thought for me. Thank you!



I do believe there are moments or specific events that have something extra to them. Whether it is fate, predestiny, or even a point of personal growth for us, I really don't know. I think some of us prefer to believe in the magical aspect of life, while others are (on the whole) more pragmatic.



In Koan's story - is she making good out of a frustrating situation? Was she really compelled to live in a specific place? Was her subconscious a guiding light (so to speak)? It could be any of these things, and even more. It depends on our perspective. (Sorry for talking about you like you aren't here, Koan).



For myself, and in reference to my earlier post on this thread, I tend to think that there are moments in which I'm putting a hard lesson learned into practical use. I think I feel "outside" of myself simply because it is behavior outside of my norm. Yet the lesson I am using is to my good, so it feels comfortable.



It is said that we use less than 10% of our brains. It is also said that we have an entire life going on in our subconscious. If this is so, and if we act at times by "instinct" or by unknown or unfamiliar influences...it could well be attributed to things we feel but don't understand. That doesn't make it magical, but it doesn't make it un-magical either.



There...a post that talks long and says absolutely nothing! LOL

A Karenina wrote: There...a post that talks long and says absolutely nothing! LOLNot at all, you made an important point [not profound, just real important]:-2

A Karenina wrote:

It is said that we use less than 10% of our brains. It is also said that we have an entire life going on in our subconscious. If this is so, and if we act at times by "instinct" or by unknown or unfamiliar influences...it could well be attributed to things we feel but don't understand. This stored information is often the cause of unatributed "insight". Kinda like a search bot constantly working a sophisticated data base containing every bit of data ever collected by our body sensors. That is how for instance, a smell can trigger a sense of danger [or sometimes pleasure] without necessarily identifying what it is.

Whenever we act on the basis of "unatributed" information, it may seem like destiny, but it really is choice based on our minds incredible networking capability.

Destiny is primarily the circumstances of our birth. :-6

Der Wulf wrote: Not at all, you made an important point [not profound, just real important]:-2
Not profound?...dad-nab-it! I shall have to keep trying.

I like to choose my fate:) When I can:)

"YOu can't trust fate when it is not in your hands" G'n'R



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I believe in fate. Stages are set, props are provided,the actors show up...but then you get to audition for the part you want to play. If you pick a part that you are not suited for.. the show is a flop.

Weeder, a good approach, no doubt.

Lon wrote: I call that scenario, circumstances, not fate or destiny, but then that's just me.


Lon Dear, I tend to agree with Koan. I call it fate or destiny, you may call it scenario or circumstances. It is only a difference of words. BTW you have yourself said that fate is the result of choices that will, or have already been made.This is what I mean when I refer to fate. The only difference in my opinion is that these choices may have been made in this or previous births.

Suresh Gupta wrote: Lon Dear, I tend to agree with Koan. I call it fate or destiny, you may call it scenario or circumstances. It is only a difference of words. BTW you have yourself said that fate is the result of choices that will, or have already been made.This is what I mean when I refer to fate. The only difference in my opinion is that these choices may have been made in this or previous births.


I'm often amazed at the need for people to place deep meanings on the happenings of life.

Another name my friend would be the everyday B. S. that all humans deal with every day. No deep meaning just the result of 6 billion of us getting in each others way. With this many people there is no way for all choices to be carried out to the preceived end.

I'm not trying to step on anyone's beliefs, just saying that what we preceive as fate or destiny is in reality just people over analyzing their lifes.

jahamaa wrote: I'm often amazed at the need for people to place deep meanings on the happenings of life.

Another name my friend would be the everyday B. S. that all humans deal with every day. No deep meaning just the result of 6 billion of us getting in each others way. With this many people there is no way for all choices to be carried out to the preceived end.

I'm not trying to step on anyone's beliefs, just saying that what we preceive as fate or destiny is in reality just people over analyzing their lifes.


Yes you may call it "Everyday B.S." (btw I am not clear what you mean by B.S.).

You say that what we preceive as fate or destiny is in reality just people over analyzing their lifes. Yes that is what they are doing.

Suresh Gupta wrote: Yes you may call it "Everyday B.S." (btw I am not clear what you mean by B.S.).

You say that what we preceive as fate or destiny is in reality just people over analyzing their lifes. Yes that is what they are doing.


Suresh my friend sometimes I forget that I am talking to folks from all over the world and they may not be familiar with the slang of other nations B. S. is a polite way of saying a not so polite term used to describe talk or ideas that the person using the slang thinks is untrue, not neccessarily a lie, but a line of thought that the author dismisses as irrelivent, a copout, an excuse etc.

Thanks Jahamaa

Suresh Gupta wrote: Lon Dear, I tend to agree with Koan. I call it fate or destiny, you may call it scenario or circumstances. It is only a difference of words. BTW you have yourself said that fate is the result of choices that will, or have already been made.This is what I mean when I refer to fate. The only difference in my opinion is that these choices may have been made in this or previous births.
To me, circumstances means that a certain ACTION on the part of an individual or individuals has caused an event to occur. Fate or Destiny to me, implies some form of mystical happening, which I do not believe.

I have a theory.

We are all biological beings, the decendants of all who came before us. It is scientific truth that our cells contain memory. Especially the mitochondria we receive from our mothers. I believe that what we sometimes call deja vu and repressed memory are really the experiences and feelings of the past. Not OUR past, but those of our ancestors.

Lon wrote: To me, circumstances means that a certain ACTION on the part of an individual or individuals has caused an event to occur. Fate or Destiny to me, implies some form of mystical happening, which I do not believe.


You are right that some certain action causes an event to occur. I see this event as fate or destiny. It may be but is not always in the form of mystical happening.

Raven wrote: I have a theory.

We are all biological beings, the decendants of all who came before us. It is scientific truth that our cells contain memory. Especially the mitochondria we receive from our mothers. I believe that what we sometimes call deja vu and repressed memory are really the experiences and feelings of the past. Not OUR past, but those of our ancestors.


You are right but I will not exclude our own past experiences and feelings.