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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:18 am
by Bill Sikes
I knew I'd seen this old exam. paper somewhere - (re) published in The Spectator. What do you think?



As a service to Spectator readers who still have any doubts about the decline in educational standards, we are printing these exam papers taken by 11-year-olds applying for places to King Edward’s School in Birmingham in 1898.

ENGLISH GRAMMAR

1. Write out in your best handwriting:”

‘O Mary, go and call the cattle home,

And call the cattle home,

And call the cattle home,

Across the sands o’ Dee.’

The western wind was wild and dank with foam,

And all alone went she.

The western tide crept up along the sand,

And o’er and o’er the sand,

And round and round the sand,

As far as eye could see.

The rolling mist came down and hid the land ”

And never home came she.

2. Parse fully ‘And call the cattle home.’

3. Explain the meaning of o’ Dee, dank with foam, western tide, round and round the sand, the rolling mist.

4. Write out separately the simple sentences in the last two lines of the above passage and analyse them.

5. Write out what you consider to be the meaning of the above passage.

GEOGRAPHY

1. On the outline map provided, mark the position of Carlisle, Canterbury, Plymouth, Hull, Gloucester, Swansea, Southampton, Worcester, Leeds, Leicester and Norwich; Morecambe Bay, The Wash, Solent, Menai Straits and Lyme Bay; St Bees Head, The Naze, Lizard Point; the rivers Trent and Severn; Whernside, the North Downs, and Plinlimmon; and state on a separate paper what the towns named above are noted for.

2. Where are silver, platinum, tin, wool, wheat, palm oil, furs and cacao got from?

3. Name the conditions upon which the climate of a country depends, and explain the reason of any one of them.

4. Name the British possessions in America with the chief town in each. Which is the most important?

5. Where are Omdurman, Wai-Hei-Wai, Crete, Santiago, and West Key, and what are they noted for?

LATIN

1. Write in columns the nominative singular, genitive plural, gender, and meaning of:” operibus, principe, imperatori, genere, apro, nivem, vires, frondi, muri.

2. Give the comparative of noxius, acer, male, diu; the superlative of piger, humilis, fortiter, multum; the English and genitive sing. of solus, uter, quisque.

3. Write these phrases in a column and put opposite to each its Latin: he will go; he may wish; he had; he had been; he will be heard; and give in a column the English of fore, amatum, regendus, monetor.

4. Give in columns the perfect Indic. and active supine of ago, pono, dono, cedo, jungo, claudo.

Mention one example each of verbs followed by the nominative, the accusative, the genitive, the dative, the ablative.

5. Translate into Latin:”

1. The general’s little son was loved by the soldiers.

2. Let no bodies be buried within this city.

3. Ask Tullius who found the lions.

4. He said that the city had been taken, and, the war being finished, the forces would return.

6. Translate into English:”



Exceptus est imperatoris adventus incredibili honore atque amore: tum primum enim veniebat ab illo Aegypti bello. Nihil relinquebatur quod ad ornatum locorum omnium qua iturus erat excogitari posset.

ENGLISH HISTORY

1. What kings of England began to reign in the years 871, 1135, 1216, 1377, 1422, 1509, 1625, 1685, 1727, 1830?

2. Give some account of Egbert, William II, Richard III, Robert Blake, Lord Nelson.

3. State what you know of ” Henry II’s quarrel with Becket, the taking of Calais by Edward III, the attempt to make Lady Jane Grey queen, the trial of the Seven bishops, the Gordon riots.

4. What important results followed ” the raising of the siege of Orleans, the Gunpowder plot, the Scottish rebellion of 1639, the surrender at Yorktown, the battles of Bannockburn, Bosworth, Ethandune, La Hogue, Plassey, and Vittoria?

5. How are the following persons connected with English History,” Harold Hardrada, Saladin, James IV of Scotland, Philip II of Spain, Frederick the Elector Palatine?

ARITHMETIC

1. Multiply 642035 by 24506.

2. Add together £132 4s. 1d., £243 7s. 2d., £303 16s 2d., and £1.030 5s. 3d.; and divide the sum by 17. (Two answers to be given.)

3. Write out Length Measure, and reduce 217204 inches to miles, &c.

4. Find the G.C.M. of 13621 and 159848.

5. Find, by Practice, the cost of 537 things at £5 3s. 71/2d. each.

6. Subtract 37/16 from 51/4; multiply 63/4 by 5/36; divide 43/8 by 11/6; and find the value of 21/4 of 12/3 of 13/5.

7. Five horses and 28 sheep cost £126 14s., and 16 sheep cost £22 8s.; find the total cost of 2 horses and 10 sheep.

8. Subtract 3.25741 from 3.3; multiply 28.436 by 8.245; and divide .86655 by 26.5.

9. Simplify 183/4 – 22/3 ÷ 11/5 – 31/2 x 4/7.

10. Find the square root of 5.185,440,100.

11. Find the cost of papering the walls of a room 16ft long, 13ft 6in. wide, and 9ft high, with paper 11/2ft wide at 2s. 3d. a piece of 12yds in length.

12. A and B rent a number of fields between them for a year, the rent and other expenses amounting to £108 17s. 6d. A puts in 2 horses, 5 oxen and 10 sheep; and B puts in 4 horses, 1 ox, and 27 sheep. If a horse eats as much as 3 sheep and an ox as much as 2 sheep, how much should A and B each pay?

These papers were kindly sent in by Humphrey Stanbury, whose father took the exam, and passed.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:00 am
by gmc
O.K. my handwriting is crap, my latin almost non existent, I've forgotten how to parse a sentence I know about half the kings apart from that what is the problem? I'd like to see him work out how to use an atm or a video.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:07 am
by Bill Sikes
gmc wrote: O.K. my handwriting is crap, my latin almost non existent, I've forgotten how to parse a sentence I know about half the kings apart from that what is the problem? I'd like top see him work out how to use an atm or a video


Who is "him", gmc? I hope your comprehension hasn't gone tits up!

Additionally, what about the geography and arithmetic, both of which are still current?

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:39 am
by gmc
posted by bill sikes

Who is "him", gmc? I hope your comprehension hasn't gone tits up!




These papers were kindly sent in by Humphrey Stanbury, whose father took the exam, and passed.

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Additionally, what about the geography and arithmetic, both of which are still current?


I would have problemns with the british possessions in america, arithmetic no problem but I would need a calculator to get the square root.

I would take issue with calling the bishop's war of 1639 a rebellion as scotland was still a seperate state from england but that is perhaps splitting airs. The proddies and the papes are still at it.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:50 am
by Bill Sikes
posted by bill sikes: Who is "him", gmc? I hope your comprehension hasn't gone tits up!

gmc> Quote: These papers were kindly sent in by Humphrey Stanbury, whose father took the exam, and passed.



Ooops! Red face. Humph's dad. Sorry.



gmc wrote: I would have problemns with the british possessions in america


Same here - are there any now, except for commercial posessions, that is?

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:07 pm
by persephone
The maths would've been easy, if I was 16 and knew the workings of old money (pounds, shillings and pence for non-English), some of the questions we wouldn't touch on until high school, and then I have to think I was in the top set for maths so maybe still the lower sets wouldn't have a clue.

Geography would be a problem because we were never taught geography as in maps but more the weather, land formations, shanty towns and stuff like that, again that was High School, before the age of 12 we had humanities which was much along the same lines as high school geography with history mixed in.

gmc wrote: I would have problemns with the british possessions in americaRemember this test was set in 1889, this would've become history long past by 1989 ;)

The history I would've been better at when I was 11 than by the time I finished high school (never took history after the age of 14).

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:05 am
by Bill Sikes
letha wrote: The maths would've been easy, if I was 16 and knew the workings of old money (pounds, shillings and pence for non-English)


IME many if not most children in their early teens would find the simple multiplication or division sums beyond them without a calculator, and would find the simplification and fractions, also the square root question, impossible even *with* one!

letha wrote: some of the questions we wouldn't touch on until high school


Huh? What's "high school"?

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:02 am
by Bothwell
I have just managed to get out of the corner I was hiding in becasue you brought back 40 year old memoreis of my tyrannical latin teacher Brother Dolan (bastard).

i am going to print this and let my 18 year old nieice try it she has gadzillions of A* qualifications and is studying at Sommerville but I bet she could not do it.

Bill I reckon there could not have been many changes in these papers right up until the 1980's because it looks remarkably similar to exams I remember taking although the subjects would have been split up.

I am proud to say I got on OK with it except the maths, calculators have made the maths part of my brain (always small) very lazy.

Of course the possessions question would be a tit of a laugh now, I am sure the list is Falklands, Pitcairn and Gibraltar errr... that's it.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:21 am
by Bill Sikes
Bothwell wrote: I am proud to say I got on OK with it except the maths, calculators have made the maths part of my brain (always small) very lazy.


Same here - but to brighten your day, realise how easily you could pass GCSE maths. nowadays... look at this:

http://www.mathsrevision.net/gcse/ocrspecpaper5.pdf

I only *think* that's a maths. paper... it says "Paper 5 higher tier"

http://www.aqa.org.uk/qual/gcse/qp-ms/A ... -Jun03.pdf

The above seems to be some sort of GCSE paper, too.... dear God. Here

is another:

http://www.ocr.org.uk/OCR/WebSite/Data/ ... wexNos.pdf

And more...

http://www.aqa.org.uk/qual/gcse/qp-ms/A ... -Mar03.pdf



Surely these *can't* be examples of current exam papers? Someone please tell me, I feel faint.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:40 am
by Bothwell
My 17 year old nephew was just in the office and Bill take a seat because he tells me they are current!!!

One example, I recently asked a degree qualified (honours, Brunel) quantity engineer to confirm some stress calculations I had done, he could not even get the initial area calcs right as we were in the field and he could not run it on the computer but had to use my non scientific calculator. I really hope that we was winding me up as he designs structures that are used by the public!!!

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:28 am
by Bill Sikes
Bothwell wrote: My 17 year old nephew was just in the office and Bill take a seat because he tells me they are current!!!


Yikes. I'm beginning to feel thirsty.



Bothwell wrote: One example, I recently asked a degree qualified (honours, Brunel) quantity engineer


What, pray tell, is a "quantity engineer"? Is it a quantity estimator, or what?



Bothwell wrote: to confirm some stress calculations I had done, he could not even get the initial area calcs right as we were in the field and he could not run it on the computer but had to use my non scientific calculator.


This worries me... why not employ a couple of secretaries and a building site labourer to fill up a "spreadsheet"? That's the level of knowledge we seem to

be descending to.

BTW, I've got an HP15C calculator. It's a museum piece, now - literally! See: http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp15.htm It is programmable, and does all sorts of things. I got it in about 1980. It uses *Reverse Polish Notation*, and as such is practically unuseable and incomprehensive to the Great Unwashed of Algebraic Notation - quote - "Where's the '=' button?" "Oh! It uses RPN!" "".



Bothwell wrote: I really hope that we was winding me up as he designs structures that are used by the public!!!


"Design" seems to be a somewhat grandiose term for what happens.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:57 am
by Bothwell
Quantity Engineer was a new one on me too, I think it is a made up title, a mix of

Quantity Surveyor and Structural Engineer.

No need to worry his company designed the famous wobbly Millennium Bridge over the thames, you know the one that had to close a week after it opened for a 3 million pound remedial rework!!!!

So Bill you can now retire to that darkened room for a pint of Dogbolter and a rub down with the sporting life.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:28 am
by persephone
Bill Sikes wrote: IME many if not most children in their early teens would find the simple multiplication or division sums beyond them without a calculator, and would find the simplification and fractions, also the square root question, impossible even *with* one!From the age of 8 we were put through mental arithmetic tests, but in this test, you have paper and pen, so you can work these out on paper, no need for a calculator.

There is one thing though that I neglect to mention... I came top in my county for GCSE maths :o



Bill Sikes wrote: Huh? What's "high school"?It's senior school. My county had Primary (4-8), middle (8-12) and high school (12-16), 6th form is also included in high school (16-18), no 6th form colleges (ages may be a bit strange, I was born in December).

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:43 am
by persephone
Guys, unless things have really changed, the maths exam the way I took it was like this...

Two papers, seperate exams.

Each paper is a different level.

When I took it there were a total of 4 papers (I can't remember which way they went in difficulty according to number).

To get any grade C or above, you would take papers 1 & 2, if you scored below a certain number you failed and gained no qualification.

To get D-C (not sure if it was D or E) you took papers 2 & 3, the same applied for marks, too low and it was a fail.

To get up to a D grade papers 3 & 4.

Not 100% on the fails, but I remember being scared about not making a C grade and failing.

My point is that with the way it was divided by skills levels you can't really be sure which end of the scale you are looking at with those papers.