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I talked to my sister about this, she's in Tacoma. The shooter, a huge kid, and the kid who died, Asian 5'4" @ 130 lbs.. I said this big kid couldn't just slug him - no, this big kid had to pull a gun. The shooter probably would had his ass kicked, couldn't take that risk.

Patsy

He was such a nice kid.

:-5

DIURETIC

that was a perfect package - no one can differ with that.

Patsy

Cops and the Media will have red faces.!!

Cover ups - you don't even want to talk to me.

Patsy

There are so many shootings in the Seattle/Tacoma area the police are having trouble sorting them out. Some make it to the news. Many aren't even being reported to the police. Most of it is gangs and some of the gangs are aligned with terror groups.

The Seattle/Tacoma area isn't any worse than any other heavily populated area. WE have big trouble on our hands.

Scrat;507643 wrote: It is out, every person alive here knows what me and Clint said is true. The problem is the politicians and police will not admit that it is out of control. They won't admit anything. People just throw up their hands in digust with the "authorities".

There's a lot more going on too in the schools. There was a blurb on the news about gang members threatening teenage girls harm if they didn't sleep with gang members or do sexual favors. Outside there are huge theft rings for cars, drug rings, burglery rings you name it and they are all operating with little or no interference from "law". Kids around here don't work at McDonalds, they work at the chopshop. If a cop busts a drug dealer on a sreet corner he's not taking a bad guy off the street he's creating a job opportunity.

Teachers can't do anything about it, cops and politicians don't care.


Why do the people keep electing the same politicians over and over? They are, as you say, the ones who won't face the problem. They are doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. The streets are insane (almost open war), the politician's response is insane and putting them back in office to be insane is insane. It is a cycle of insanity that will one day soon result in something so bad it will either shake people and politicians to reality and action or take us into deeper chaos.

When the big earthquake hits the Puget Sound area the biggest problem will be roving gangs. Katrina multiplied.

We have similar problems here with gangs and crime they bring with them from their home countries. (Not saying we don't have home grown gangs, of course.) But the Asian and Central American/Mexican gangs are equally violent and equally unconcerned with involving innocent people around them.

Too bad we can't round them all up & transport them to an unoccupied island somewhere. I am so weary of seeing news stories about somebody's little girl who was shot through a window as she sat on her granny's lap--that sort of thing is heartbreaking!

Testosterone is a troublesome thing.

Diuretic;507779 wrote: Using a medical analogy here - treat the causes not the symptoms. You can kill stone dead every gang member you see but in time the gangs will be back.


Bingo!!!

Entitlement mentalities

Drugs

Broken homes

No fathers to deal with testosterone crazed sons

Glorification of violence on TV and in the Movies

Broken communities

Sick judicial systems

No authority higher than man to answer to

Diuretic;507805 wrote: Entitlement mentalities - yes, they can be a huge problem. They're necessary but they aren't the answer. In my first few days on FG I learned that from Acc, haven't forgotten the sense of it.

Drugs - drugs are just a substance humans use for various reasons. Some are expensive. Some you can buy on prescription. Some you have to buy illegally. Those are usually very expensive. Rich folks can buy them no problem. Poor folks have to commit crimes to get the money to buy them. Decriminalise them, destroy the drug economy.

No fathers to deal with testosterone crazed sons - agreed, it's a huge problem or so I have read and it is a problem mainly in black America, again I've read that, I have no independent knowledge.

Glorification of violence on TV and movies - come on, violence is fun as long as you're not on the receiving end. H. Rap Brown once said, "Violence is as American as cherry pie". He was right then and it's right now. But you're not alone. Violence needs to be understood in context. It should be taught in families and in schools at all levels. We need to understand violence.

Broken communities - economically deprived I think? Yes and there's absolutely no need for that to happen.

Sick judicial systems - yes, agreed - corrupt and ineffective.

No authority higher than man to answer to - I know what you mean Clint but I'll simply say "weak value systems" if I may.


We agree on most points.

Broken communities to me means the lack of fabric. People don't know each other any more. Most people wouldn't recognize their next door neighbor in the grocery store let alone be involved in helping them guid their child or asking for help with theirs. School Boards meet in a vacuum, City Councils only deal with economic development and churches have become stages for performances.

I wouldn't decriminalize all drugs. Some of them are lethal. Meth has no place on the planet.

Weak value system...yes. It has to matter what you do when no one is watching.

It's interesting...groups of young male chimpanzees will go on "patrol" together, looking to get into territorial disputes. I've seen photos of one unfortunate individual they caught when he was alone....he was gruesomely castrated, among other things.

Testosterone's a dangerous substance and the "gang" thing seems to be very basic in certain groups. I believe it has a lot to do with a young man's self-confidence...or lack of it.

Lulu2;507842 wrote: It's interesting...groups of young male chimpanzees will go on "patrol" together, looking to get into territorial disputes. I've seen photos of one unfortunate individual they caught when he was alone....he was gruesomely castrated, among other things.

Testosterone's a dangerous substance and the "gang" thing seems to be very basic in certain groups. I believe it has a lot to do with a young man's self-confidence...or lack of it.


Testosterone isn't the problem. Young men without the basic skills needed to put it to good use is a problem. Why is it young females are becoming increasingly violent and dangerous?

I'm sure that part of it is a desire to "fit in" with the boys.

Lulu2;507850 wrote: I'm sure that part of it is a desire to "fit in" with the boys.


Hmm, so with them it isn't about a hormone?

One of the problems we face in all of this is feminization. Young men are not being allowed to be comfortable with their masculinity. Dad has been rendered useless as long a mom has enough of a job to support the family or they can go on public assistance, so Dad isn’t around to help the young male understand what’s going on in his body (sorry but mom can’t understand). Mom tries to deal with it but the young boy is too much for her and he needs male companionship. He finds other young boys who have the same problem at home. In an effort to replace dad they look to the strongest male in the group who is ill equipped for life himself but doesn’t miss the opportunity to take the respect and power the others give him. The blind begins leading the blind and soon they are responding to their basic human instincts in the group. With no adult males to pull them up and teach them how to get through this time in their lives they begin to mark boundaries and defend them. They are in pain and don’t know why so they ease their pain with drugs. And the problem grows and grows.