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as it says on the title... i'm serious about this, having only just thought of it. satan is lucifer right? god threw him out of paradise for being a bit fruity... then god created the devil?

He was an angel who had free will and chose evil over good as do many humans.

A great mythological story to explain evil in the world before science came along.

This is what i remember from CCD.......



He was THE arch-angel. He was above Micheal. Hes also known as "morning star".



That's all. This would explain it much better.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer



This come to mind:



"Without evil, there could be no good. So, it must be good to be evil sometimes!"



-Satan, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut

Because he was tired of chasing that dam* chicken across the road?

On Satan:

An interesting discussion today: "Suffering and a God of Love"

"In what is probably the oldest book in the Bible, Job characterizes "ha satan" as a legitimate member of God's council. After the opening two chapters, "ha satan" is never mentioned again. Although the snake in th egarden if often referred to as Satan, it's just theological "spin". The snake is simply a clever creature that generations of theologians have associated with the devil. Likewise nowhere in the Bible is Satan cast down into the fiery pit for rising up against God. The "lucifer" of "day star" that is cast down (ie put out of power) in Isaiah is the ruler of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar. The angels that disobey are not sent to "hell" to but Sheol, a place understood in Hebrew as simply "nothingness." Satan's supposed dominion over a place called hell is not Biblical, but Greek mythology and Medieval fantasy woven together by Dante, Milton, and others."

Program accompanying the study "Living the Questions".

Shalom

Ted:-6

the only real dave (2);485341 wrote: as it says on the title... i'm serious about this, having only just thought of it. satan is lucifer right? god threw him out of paradise for being a bit fruity... then god created the devil?
Satan's the guy in the Book of Job, the name means "The Accuser" and he chats with God about whether people are righteous or not. He and God laid bets on how Job would stand up to some divine persecution, with God laying the limits of what could be done to him.

Lucifer is a mis-translation of one of the titles of a King of Babylon who went mad and ate grass:

How you have fallen from heaven,

O morning star, son of the dawn!

You have been cast down to the earth,

you who once laid low the nations!

You said in your heart,

"I will ascend to heaven;

I will raise my throne

above the stars of God;

I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,

on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High."

But you are brought down to the grave,

to the depths of the pit.

Saint Jerome confused the title with the Greek legend of Prometheus, the Light-Bearer who brought fire to man from heaven.

The real reason people have such fun with a fallen angel and his legions rampaging back to earth is a poet who wrote during the English Civil War called Milton. Paradise Lost is great drama but it's scarcely theology. Even its first verse is totally blasphemous, where he asks his muse to "Illumine, what is low raise and support; That, to the height of this great argument, I may assert Eternal Providence, And justify the ways of God to men."

Spot:-6

Excellent post.

Shalom

Ted:-6