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when i was a kid my father used to chain smoke and refused to let us open a window to get some fresh air , now when i drive to work in the morning from my van i see lots of moms on the school run smoking with young kids in the car , it cant be right are you a person that does this what are you thoughts on the matter

wow no one has anything to say on a subject of this importance smoking will kill over fifty % of you that smoke



why do you smoke



why do you think it is ok to make other people breath in you smoke



do you relise that you smell like an old ashtray





look guys i want input good or bad tell me to stick my thoughts



or tell me i'm right :-3

Well Jimbo

I think it sucks

Play with your own life

but NOT your children's :-6

cherandbuster wrote: Well Jimbo



I think it sucks



Play with your own life



but NOT your children's :-6


does that lead me to believe you smoke cher



another thing that really bothers me are kids as young as 8 walk along smoking i mean who buys them cancer sticks , surly the parents must think my kids stink of smoke er maybe they are smoking der

ArnoldLayne wrote: I dont mind that people smoke, provided it doesnt impact on me in any way.



I have been guilty in my younger days of being anti social with my smoking - I gave up over 10 years ago. I didnt seem to give it much thought as to how it affected those who didnt. It wasnt untill I stopped that i realised, now - as most ex-smokers are - I am very anti smoking. My wife, son, daughter, and their partners all smoke but never in the house, never in the car or ever round me, I am very vocal. I dont care how cold it is, OUTSIDE ! :wah:



I hate to see people smoking around children, especially people carrying young babies with cigarettes hanging out of their mouths. Filthy


well done :guitarist

jimbo wrote: does that lead me to believe you smoke cher



another thing that really bothers


Hi Jimbo

I've *never* been a smoker in my life

I hate the smell of it

When I was single, I wouldn't date a smoker. I couldn't imagine kissing a smoker if you are not one.

I prefer to get my kicks from *other* bad habits :sneaky: :guitarist

jimbo wrote: wow no one has anything to say on a subject of this importance smoking will kill over fifty % of you that smoke



why do you smoke



why do you think it is ok to make other people breath in you smoke



do you relise that you smell like an old ashtray





look guys i want input good or bad tell me to stick my thoughts



or tell me i'm right :-3


Because I find it difficult to give up

I smoke where it's permitted and in my home or the homes of smokers or in the garden so I try not to impose it on people who don't smoke

Yes, I smell like an old ashtray

I would add that I know of no-one who doesn't have an unpleasant trait or habit that can negatively affect others.

theia wrote: Because I find it difficult to give up



I smoke where it's permitted and in my home or the homes of smokers or in the garden so I try not to impose it on people who don't smoke



Yes, I smell like an old ashtray



I would add that I know of no-one who doesn't have an unpleasant trait or habit that can negatively affect others.


ok point taken but if i stink of jack daniels ocasionally its not likely to make some one else die of lung cancer is it

sorry about that last comment it sounded a bit sharp which was not meant

theia wrote: I would add that I know of no-one who doesn't have an unpleasant trait or habit that can negatively affect others.


Hello Theia my love :-6

I agree with you

We all have habits that are difficult to break

I pass no judgment on smokers at all

Who am I to tell anyone what to do?

To each his own, I always say

And personally

I think you are lovely :-4

weber wrote: If you stink of Jack Daniels you might kill a kid or two whilst driving in a car and if you smell badly enough of it, you might not even know what you did.. Smokers kids do get to live.


your assuming i drink drive which i do not :driving:

cherandbuster wrote: Hello Theia my love :-6



I agree with you



We all have habits that are difficult to break



I pass no judgment on smokers at all



Who am I to tell anyone what to do?



To each his own, I always say



And personally



I think you are lovely :-4


totally agree if people want to smoke i'm OK with that but the only thing i don't get is why do some and i do mean only some think its OK to inflict their second hand smoke on every one else

weber wrote: Doesn't matter. You made the comment.


sorry i don't remember saying i drink drive but any way i don't I'd end up spilling it :wah:

jimbo wrote: totally agree if people want to smoke i'm OK with that but the only thing i don't get is why do some and i do mean only some think its OK to inflict their second hand smoke on every one else


This may sound naive

But I think most people don't *want* to inflict second-hand smoke on others

They are just really addicted to cigarettes

And find it *extremely* difficult to quit

That's what addictions are

I more so feel sorry for them

than feel mad at them

Jimbo, this is a pet issue of mine too. I've already been in the smoking vs. non thread so I'll just stick to your original question about kids. It is NOT acceptable to smoke around kids. Period. It pi$$e$ me off so much when I see it being done!! I don't agree that people should mind their own business when they see people inflicting their smoke on a kid- it's everyon'es job to protect kids. I'll go further and say I hate it when pet owners smoke around their pets, whose little lungs are not half the strength of ours.



People of my dad's generation didn't know all the facts and they got hooked. That is sad. But when I see people in their teens and twenties smoking, I realize things haven't really changed- smoking is still seen as cool and these fools fell for it. It angers me because nobody that age now has any excuse for smoking except for their own stupidity. It's not like the cancer information isn't in their face, they just don't think it'll happen to them.



Good topic, Jimbo. You always come up with good stuff.

I haven't smoked for 27 years. At my peak, I was getting through two lighters a day

RedGlitter wrote: Jimbo, this is a pet issue of mine too. I've already been in the smoking vs. non thread so I'll just stick to your original question about kids. It is NOT acceptable to smoke around kids. Period. It pi$$e$ me off so much when I see it being done!! I don't agree that people should mind their own business when they see people inflicting their smoke on a kid- it's everyone's job to protect kids. I'll go further and say I hate it when pet owners smoke around their pets, whose little lungs are not half the strength of ours.



People of my dad's generation didn't know all the facts and they got hooked. That is sad. But when I see people in their teens and twenties smoking, I realize things haven't really changed- smoking is still seen as cool and these fools fell for it. It angers me because nobody that age now has any excuse for smoking except for their own stupidity. It's not like the cancer information isn't in their face, they just don't think it'll happen to them.



Good topic, Jimbo. You always come up with good stuff.


hi red how yoo dowin



a couple of weeks ago i was with sue at a kids soccer match watching her son play football ,we were on the touchline and there were young kids everywhere 2 or 3 year olds etc in close proximity one of the moms said to me do you smoke ? holding out a pack of cigarettes , i said no i don't thanks but then again i don't expect any of these little children here want one either

without batting an eyelid she just carried on lit up and was puffing away i was amazed i was going to say something else but sue was giving me the i'm a show up again look

flopstock wrote: I smoke a lot!

I usually don't smoke in restaurants, just seems rude to me in a crowded place, ya know?

I don't smoke with my daughter in the car and in fact only smoke with the windows all open when she is not there so that it doesn't linger.

I do smoke at home however. I smoke in my computer room. That's it. And I sit next to a window with an exhaust fan.



I did grab one and light up when I went to bed the other night to watch tv before going to sleep... couldn't do it:wah: I think i've overtrained myself.


your a considerate smoker i've got no probs with that

This is from the American Lung Association site, if you'd like to read more.

Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 1,900 to 2,700 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits per year. Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.



In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis. Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.

New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.



The current Surgeon General's Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.

++++JMHO...but smoking around children shouldn't be legal. You're risking your child's health and longevity. Sure, it was done in the "good old days," but we know better now.

When my children were young, yes, I did smoke around them...if they were at home now, I wouldn't because I'm aware of the possible dangers of doing so. But, a bit like you, Jimbo, neither of my children smoke or ever have...they really don't like it. So, in a way, that's a good result.

Yes, the whole point is that there are some inconsiderate smokers but there are also some very responsible ones who try their best not to impose their habit on others.

Arnold, are you sure I don't?

And Cher...:-4

weber wrote: If you(or anybody) stinks of Jack Daniels you(or anybody) might kill a kid or two whilst driving a car (at this point I don't know whether or not you drive a car but what I say is true). And that is more likely than kids getting cancer(remembering many people did not at the time know that cigarettes were harmful) and peer pressure is the same today as it used to be.



I am saying both smoking and drinking are as dangerous for our kids.


OK if you drink drive that's bad



if you want to smoke thats fine if you smoke in an area where other people have to breath in your 2nd hand smoke in my opinion that is wrong especially where there are small children





any one who drink drives is bad but if you want a drink without being a major menace on the road that's up to you



and to be honest i'm much more concerned about stinking of curry when I've eaten it than i am a good old jack d

I passively smoke 10 a day

people for have known for decades that smoking killed you. Not for notthing were they called coffin nails. Smokers tend to deny the risk rather than face up to the fact that they are doing something stupid. I don't understand why people start nowadays in fact I could never understand it in the past. Try asking smokers if they liked the first cigarette 90% of them didn't so why have another. peer pressure or what i don't know. I wouldn't condemn smokers-they do that themselves-if they want to smoke let them but I'm glad smoking in public places is now banned. My pet hate was smokers that felt they had the right to force me to join in and call me unreasonable for objecting.

Same with binge drinking, rationally those doing it know it is silly and you can't have much fun when you are unconscious. As a student I did the same-but not often because I was a poor student and seeing people you know get hooked on drink and drugs would put anybody with half a brain off continuing.

gmc wrote: Try asking smokers if they liked the first cigarette 90% of them didn't so why have another


That is true of me...I was so disappointed and felt quite sick...I can't explain why I became hooked

the people who are the worst for anti smoking are people who have stopped smoking when i met my partner she smoked but never in the house she had 2 small children ,she would actually stand outside in the rain to smoke

but if i go to the pub and she can smell smoke on my clothes the whole lot goes straight in the wash

i have heard that most ex smokers are as bad

GMC "My pet hate was smokers that felt they had the right to force me to join in and call me unreasonable for objecting."

++++++++++++ Witness the recent discussion here about bars in Scotland being forced to ban smoking! You'd've thought it was the end of the world! It's only after you quit smoking that you realize how intrusive, how obnoxious and powerful it is to others.

ArnoldLayne wrote: A bloody good curry is probably my biggest vice. Cant go too long without one


I'd go along with that its the passive curry exhaust fumes that are the problem

Jimbo...you've just reminded me of a funny line Steve Martin used to use. If someone asked him, "Say...do you mind if I smoke?"

Steve'd say, "NO...do you mind if I FART?":wah:

Lulu2 wrote: Jimbo...you've just reminded me of a funny line Steve Martin used to use. If someone asked him, "Say...do you mind if I smoke?"

Steve'd say, "NO...do you mind if I FART?":wah:
Hey Lulu, I've succesfully used that myself on a train :wah:

Lulu2 wrote: Jimbo...you've just reminded me of a funny line Steve Martin used to use. If someone asked him, "Say...do you mind if I smoke?"



Steve'd say, "NO...do you mind if I FART?":wah:


that is so funny and i will so use that in future



i think the best one i heard ,do you mind if i smoke

well lets put it like this the by product of you smoking gets in my hair on my clothes and makes them stink , now the by product from my drinking is urine

and that would get in your hair clothes etc and make them stink now you can cover me in your byproduct if i can cover you in mine now do you mind if i drink

weber wrote: If you(or anybody) stinks of Jack Daniels you(or anybody) might kill a kid or two whilst driving a car (at this point I don't know whether or not you drive a car but what I say is true). And that is more likely than kids getting cancer(remembering many people did not at the time know that cigarettes were harmful) and peer pressure is the same today as it used to be.

I am saying both smoking and drinking are as dangerous for our kids.


Out of order!

You are almost directly accusing Jimbo of drink driving. There are many people who will have a drink but who won't touch a drop if they're driving.

The fact that someone might occasionally stink of JD does *not* mean that they are a danger to children's lives.

What you say is not true

Uncle Kram wrote: Hey Lulu, I've succesfully used that myself on a train :wah:


Just after they banned smoking on the trains I had people threatening to take WAGN to the European Court of Human Rights for supressing their inalienable right to smoke - pillocks!

weber wrote: :-2

I am not even close to accusing Jimbo of drunk driving. If you read my post you will see that I said I did not know whether he even drove or not. My original post I neglected to make it general. This post I not only made it general, I noted clearly that when I posted I didn't even know if he drove.


As I read it, the mere fact that someone stank of JD made them a threat to the kids. That is as sweaping a generalisation as I've come across!

Bryn Mawr wrote: As I read it, the mere fact that someone stank of JD made them a threat to the kids. That is as sweaping a generalisation as I've come across!


Now dear Bryn

If you find anything else that I have posted objectionable to you, just let me know and I will remove. In the meantime whilst you are looking, I will absent myself.

Pinky wrote: Weren't there separate carriages for that?

As I remember there were. So, don't get on them! They used to be located at one end of the train...I'm sure the non-smokers could smell which end it was and duly avoid it:rolleyes:

I notice how drug addicts get so much sympathy, but as soon as anyone mentions smoking, we're a bunch of evil, death causing parasites.

Most of us aren't allowed to smoke anywhere near anyone else anymore any way, so get over yourselves! Fine, I agree that it's in no way fair to make anyone else inhale second - hand smoke, most of us don't. Although if I'm in the pub and others are smoking, then me smoking too isn't going to make much difference. If no-one else is, then I won't either. I'm just sick of having it rammed down my throat when I do my best to be considerate.


It used to be carriage D, then moved to carriage A, which they made into the "quiet coach" (mobile free zone). I moved in there to get away from the "shout as loud as you can and they'll hear me" brigade.

When I use to smoke (20 years ago) I'd smoke twice as much on National No Smoking Day but, in the end, I realised that I didn't actually enjoy smoking.

Pinky wrote: Ah, a walkman and some headphones does the job nicely, or a quick 'Oi, Gobby! No-one cares what you said to our Babs this morning!' wil sometimes do the trick:D


Love it! :wah:

Pinky wrote: Yeah, people hate travelling with me:-3


after a few drinks and a curry no one could travel with me :wah: :wah:

jimbo wrote: after a few drinks and a curry no one could travel with me :wah: :wah:


Good job you don't smoke then isn't it? Can't see a naked flame being a good idea around you after a night on the tiles!

theia wrote: Because I find it difficult to give up

I smoke where it's permitted and in my home or the homes of smokers or in the garden so I try not to impose it on people who don't smoke

Yes, I smell like an old ashtray

I would add that I know of no-one who doesn't have an unpleasant trait or habit that can negatively affect others.


Hi Theia...I bought that book by Allen Carr yesterday. I've only just started to read it and I'll let you know how i get on. I AM DESPERATE TO GIVE UP, but having failed at the doctors on patches etc, I thought I'd try another way.

How are you doing trying to quit ?

Bez wrote: Hi Theia...I bought that book by Allen Carr yesterday. I've only just started to read it and I'll let you know how i get on. I AM DESPERATE TO GIVE UP, but having failed at the doctors on patches etc, I thought I'd try another way.

How are you doing trying to quit ?


Many people have been motivated or enlightened enough by the Alan Carr book to give up, however I believe he's actually smoking again???

My BF is writing a book on giving up smoking at the moment, based on his own experiences. (successfully gave up)

I'll ask him if he's any suggestions and let you know......

just seen on the news in france from feb they have their own smoking ban



i've never met a frog chomper that did not smoke



they will be hopping mad now :wah: :wah: :wah:

WHAT? The French're going to ban smoking in public? HOORAY! Maybe I can go back to Paris and actually be able to breathe in a cafe.